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re: tOfficial El Camino Thread *Spoilers*
Posted on 10/15/19 at 5:41 am to Hailstate15
Posted on 10/15/19 at 5:41 am to Hailstate15
El Camino Fun Facts:
1. The woman customer at the disappearer’s vacuum shop was Florence from The Jeffersons.
2. The waiter/busboy at the diner in the flashback scene with Walt and Jesse was the late 80’s own Johnny Ortiz, more commonly known by his stage name, “Johnny O” of “Fantasy Girl” freestyle fame.
3. The patrons at the diner were all family members of the cast and crew. Vince Gilligan was trying to keep the filming so much on the QT that he could not use Joe Blow extras for that scene.
4. Sadly, Robert Forster, “The Disappearer” died on the opening day of the film (October 11th) of brain cancer.
1. The woman customer at the disappearer’s vacuum shop was Florence from The Jeffersons.
2. The waiter/busboy at the diner in the flashback scene with Walt and Jesse was the late 80’s own Johnny Ortiz, more commonly known by his stage name, “Johnny O” of “Fantasy Girl” freestyle fame.
3. The patrons at the diner were all family members of the cast and crew. Vince Gilligan was trying to keep the filming so much on the QT that he could not use Joe Blow extras for that scene.
4. Sadly, Robert Forster, “The Disappearer” died on the opening day of the film (October 11th) of brain cancer.
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Posted on 10/15/19 at 5:46 am to Obtuse1
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Yep, I think it is safe to say most of us noticed the weight gain, we may have even commented on it.
Well, it is a 12 page thread. Forgive me.
:)
Posted on 10/15/19 at 6:00 am to Globetrotter747
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Well, it is a 12 page thread. Forgive me.
I understand. Was just ribbing you.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 6:23 am to Del Devereaux
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3. The patrons at the diner were all family members of the cast and crew. Vince Gilligan was trying to keep the filming so much on the QT that he could not use Joe Blow extras for that scene.
So the movie then really was a money grab
By making this movie, VG proved he is running out of ideas to let a show remain relevant. Probably why BCS sucked in the last season.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 6:42 am to DJ3K
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So the movie then really was a money grab
What does that have to do with keeping the plot lines from leaking, especially the WW flashback?
Posted on 10/15/19 at 6:57 am to Obtuse1
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What does that have to do with keeping the plot lines from leaking, especially the WW flashback?
What leaking plot lines? 95% of this movie could have been assumed to have happened without actually needing to see it. WW flashback added nothing to the plot already laid out in BB
When Jesse drove away in the BB finale, I assumed he went to Alaska, somehow got in touch with Brock, and started over a new life. I didn't need to see it. So, VG had his and his crew's family collect a paycheck.
It was pointless.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 7:00 am to Globetrotter747
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When the vacuum guy mentioned Saul what I took from it was that he was comparing Saul and Jesse and that they both had to disappear due to their bad decisions and that he didn’t have sympathy for either.
That was how I interpreted it as well, FWIW.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 8:00 am to lsutigertalk
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The in between is irrelevant
Posted on 10/15/19 at 8:19 am to DJ3K
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1. Glad they kept WW dead
only a complete and utter moron thought it was even slightly somehwat possible for walt to be alive. The alternative was never even in question. That's like saying I'm glad they got aaron paul to come back to play jesse's character
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Kandy was the big reveal of remaining people that wronged Jesse. So, he had to go kill them? For what, the show never once mentioned anything prior about someone else help the Nazi Biker group chain up Jesse. That was stupid.
they weren't relevatnt at all to breaking bad. They were relevant to el camino. And their role was simply the labor that the nazis hired to do a welding job. They weren't hired to capture or keep or torture jesse. They were hired to weld metal together on a frame.
As for why he had to kill them, did you even watch the movie? Jesse didn't say "i must avenge everyone who has ever wronged me, starting with these guys!". In order to escape to freedom he needed money, and in his situation the only place he could get any money was the loose bag of cash he knew those guys happened to have. So he went and got it the only way he could.
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Oh geez. Thank God Jesse got to give a letter to vacuum guy to give to Brock because I really needed that closure. I needed to see him actually acknowledge Brock's existence after breaking out the compound.
It was a 3 second little clip that wrapped a bow on that story and makes the viewer feel good. How someone could complain about this is beyond me.
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Jesse just looked like a little bitch. He had ample opportunity to kill Todd but couldn't because he was scared the biker gang would kill the kid.
Jesse was the most wanted man in the SW united states at the time. Say he killed todd and got in the car, then what? Keep in mind he has no money, and the nazis would realize pretty quick something is up when todd doesnt' answer his phone. So now US law enforcmeent and a biker gang are all out to get him, and he has no resources. Yeah, great plan.
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It's fight or flight Jesse.
looks to me like his story ended up working out just fine so I'd say he made the right call
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He could have killed Todd and the bikers wouldn't have known about Todd's whereabouts for a few hours. They didn't move Brock. So Jesse could have driven straight to the house, picked up Brock, and then turn himself, WW and Nazi Biker gang in and ask that Brock be taken care of.
what a retarded plan
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This movie was pointless.
all movies, tv, music, books, etc are "pointless", unless you look at them simply as a source of entertainment. The movie was entertainment and was perfectly fine.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 9:28 am to WG_Dawg
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In order to escape to freedom he needed money, and in his situation the only place he could get any money was the loose bag of cash he knew those guys happened to have. So he went and got it the only way he could.
Kandy Welding Co. wasn't part of the plot to BB. It wasn't implied that Nazi Biker Gang had any outside help.
How did he know anyone else helped the Nazi Biker Gang? VG just randomly put them in the plot to further his pockets by milking BB for whatever left he could.
One could have assumed that by breaking out of the compound (in the finale), Jesse was on the lam and knew where to get the money that was buried in the barrels from BB. He didn't know who Kandy Welding Co was until he saw the truck. He literally thought they were cops.
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It was a 3 second little clip that wrapped a bow on that story and makes the viewer feel good. How someone could complain about this is beyond me.
Again pointless because one could have assumed that happened with the ending to BB. You don't need to see it just like you didn't really need the radio announcement to say WW was dead. There should have been no doubt Jesse would contact Brock.
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Say he killed todd and got in the car, then what
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He could have killed Todd and the bikers wouldn't have known about Todd's whereabouts for a few hours. They didn't move Brock. So Jesse could have driven straight to the house, picked up Brock, and then turn himself, WW and Nazi Biker gang in and ask that Brock be taken care of.
How is it retarded again?
The group was on some bike ride bullshite vacation. This is the only reason that Todd let Jesse out. It was literally just the two of them. Killing Todd would have left hours, maybe even a full day, for him to do something/anything that could have left him and Brock in a favorable outcome.
Everyone would have effectively been put in jail and Brock would be safe. Maybe Jesse and WW die in jail because The Nazi Biker Gang is pissed but Brock is safe. In the end, that is all Jesse really cared about. He didn't care what happened to him or WW.
It was alright, but added nothing to the plot of BB. It was VG's way to milk BB for a little more money because he is probably starting to see how stale BCS is and how irrelevant the story is becoming.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 10:26 am to DJ3K
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VG proved he is running out of ideas to let a show remain relevant.
Moronic
Posted on 10/15/19 at 10:37 am to DJ3K
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DJ3K
You must be a miserable dude to be around.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 10:47 am to WG_Dawg
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In order to escape to freedom he needed money, and in his situation the only place he could get any money was the loose bag of cash he knew those guys happened to have. So he went and got it the only way he could.
the money...was it the money that the nazi's stole from walt?
Posted on 10/15/19 at 10:52 am to SEClint
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He was at 70%+ with 1/10 the time jesse had with walt.
This isn’t true
Jesse and Walt had one cook and the marathon session using P2P. Jesse nailed it on his first solo cook after that.
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I believe jesse is a better cook than todd, no doubt. But I think todd would have been someone capable of learning their method to be consistently close to a 90%
You’re basing this on nothing.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 10:55 am to cgrand
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the money...was it the money that the nazi's stole from walt?
what is "it"? The money the welders had is what they took from todd's apartment.
The nazis took what..like 8 full barrels of walt's cash from the desert? We do not know where all that money is. All we know is that todd's cut was in his fridge.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 10:56 am to mindbreaker
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mindbreaker
Posted on 10/15/19 at 10:58 am to DJ3K
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One could have assumed that by breaking out of the compound (in the finale), Jesse was on the lam and knew where to get the money that was buried in the barrels from BB. He didn't know who Kandy Welding Co was until he saw the truck. He literally thought they were cops.
We we dont have to assume anymore. Jesse also almost shot at badger and pete. His mind wasnt at ease, and was sort of 1 tracked at this moment.
The guy had changed his appearance and cleaned up. Jesse may have only seen him once and has had a lot on his mind since. Seems like it was early on. I think the lionshare of Walter's money will always be a mystery. Jack says keep it close, so I doubt it was at the compound/clubhouse for everyone else to know its location. (His cut of it and everyone else's)
quote:not true at all. He was in ways responsible for his mother death, and Thomas' death. He has cause a lot of pain to that little boys life. How do you even begin?
Again pointless because one could have assumed that happened with the ending to BB. You don't need to see it just like you didn't really need the radio announcement to say WW was dead. There should have been no doubt Jesse would contact Brock.
He had a hell of 3 days being the most wanted man in an american region, trying to come up with half a million while starting a 0. Had to kill some frickers, evade, convince and escape. He does all of this and on his secluded ride to alaska from Albuquerque..he writes a letter when he has time to think. Totally assuming it will be eventually turned over as evidence. I didnt know if he was going to directly contact him, or anonymously set up some trust fund with money.
Tbh I thought he may discover walt's money and set up something or get cash to brock, drew sharps family and Mike's granddaughter.
quote:fear.
How is it retarded again?
The group was on some bike ride bullshite vacation. This is the only reason that Todd let Jesse out. It was literally just the two of them. Killing Todd would have left hours, maybe even a full day, for him to do something/anything that could have left him and Brock in a favorable outcome.
From everything he has seen, not to mention todd reminding him before he let him out that if anything goes sideways again with him..brock dies. This was probably right after andrea died. Now if jesse had done something..and jack called in to touch base being todd was the only one holding everything down..and no one ever answered, theybcould come home sooner.
So what if he called the cops, they wouldnt get them all at the same time and they can afford to flee. Do they stop with brock or go to his house and kill his brother, etc.
Seems jesse finally came to a conclusion that killing todd meant more death and chaos. And if only himself suffered and died, if that keeps everyone safe..then his rage isnt enough and isnt worth it.
This post was edited on 10/15/19 at 11:03 am
Posted on 10/15/19 at 10:59 am to MrFreakinMiyagi
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This isn’t true
How the frick not? Did you watch the series more than once? Jesse had over a year consistent working with walt. Todd had very limited time with a completely different walter. And I dont think he was as open of a book with Todd. I dont think he wanted Todd to be on his level. He made that mistake before, which made him less valuable in more than one way.
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Jesse and Walt had one cook and the marathon session using P2P. Jesse nailed it on his first solo cook after that.
There are cooks we didnt see with them. Remember when walter was talking about breaking down, running out of gas in the bounder in s5?
Its very implied that They had a lot more time than what we saw.
And I'm basing all else on what I saw from the story, and how he comes off.
This post was edited on 10/15/19 at 11:38 am
Posted on 10/15/19 at 11:14 am to WG_Dawg
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Jesse was the most wanted man in the SW united states at the time. Say he killed todd and got in the car, then what? Keep in mind he has no money, and the nazis would realize pretty quick something is up when todd doesnt' answer his phone. So now US law enforcmeent and a biker gang are all out to get him, and he has no resources. Yeah, great plan.
And remaining enslaved in perpetuity was a better plan?
Come on, guy.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 11:17 am to MidnightVibe
quote:to keep everyone else safe? Being all his other plans have worked so well..
And remaining enslaved in perpetuity was a better plan?
I know in the situation you would have been a badass I'm sure and came out on top though
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