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re: The Rings of Power Season 2 - first 3 episodes release August 29th, 2:00 AM Central
Posted on 10/7/24 at 9:40 am to Esquire
Posted on 10/7/24 at 9:40 am to Esquire
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Would not surprise me if this is the actual line. They show is pretty heavy handed with their foreshadowing. Thank you GRAND ELF. Hmm, wonder who that is. 
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Posted on 10/7/24 at 9:43 am to GOP_Tiger
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It's a very good show.
You know I'm not one of the rage haters and I know that you know Tolkien as much as anyone on here. But what makes this a very good show? There are just so many awful parts that cover over anything good they do. I'm not saying I don't see how someone would like it, I do. My brother really likes it but he doesn't care about the lore. I have a little hard time seeing how someone that likes Tolkien as much as you thinks it's very good.
Posted on 10/7/24 at 11:28 am to WrexhamLSU
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I hate soccer.
So, are you from and/or currently live in Wrexham then? If not, then that sure is one random hell of a username for someone that hates soccer.
Posted on 10/7/24 at 12:57 pm to iwyLSUiwy
quote:I don't think it's very good as a product.
You know I'm not one of the rage haters and I know that you know Tolkien as much as anyone on here. But what makes this a very good show? There are just so many awful parts that cover over anything good they do. I'm not saying I don't see how someone would like it, I do. My brother really likes it but he doesn't care about the lore. I have a little hard time seeing how someone that likes Tolkien as much as you thinks it's very good.
I DO think the production standards are good; the sets and scenery is top notch.
Like I said before, it's "Tolkien Lite". If you've dug into the lore, it's a disappointment.
But if your only awareness is the PJ films and you haven't read anything, it's good enough.
Look at it through that lens: same fantasy setting (Middle Earth). Some of the same characters; Sauron, Elrond, Galadriel, Gandalf, the Balrog.
Characters hinted at in the movies, now shown onscreen:
Elendil, Isildur, Gil-Galad, Celebrimbor, Durin. An Entwife.
Locations shown- Numenor/Westernesse, Mordor (including pre-Sauron) with Mount Doom, Pelargir, Lindon, Khazad Dum pre-downfall, Eregion pre-downfall.
Spotlight on: the Doors of Durin, the Palantir(i), Narsil the sword of Elendil (pre-broken).
Orcs, Dwarves, Elves, halflings, Ents, "unknown things that gnaw at the earth", a Troll, Elves ninja-fighting, etc.
All of that is familiar to the casual movie viewer, and it's NEW content so maybe you can spark new interest. And sprinkled throughout, little nuggets and hints of deeper lore, references to Manwe, Morgoth, the Valar, Aule, Tom Bombadil and the Barrow Wights onscreen for the first time, a reference to the origin of Orcs (captured tortured Elves), even a reference to the first Awakening (Adar does that in Elf-form wearing Galadriel's Ring).
Numenor just went from being benefactors to Men in Middle Earth, to demanding tribute.
IF you don't know the lore, this is all very interesting, and minimal throwaway info. All info that you can learn a lot more of, if you buy the more recent Tolkien books- History of Middle Earth, Unfinished Tales, etc, available now on Amazon.
Posted on 10/7/24 at 1:05 pm to Scoob
Regarding this as an effort to sell more of the Tolkien Estate books:
If that's the case, that this is to help push sales, then maybe we may get more lore-correct shows or movies later on. Let's say Beren and Luthien sales spike, that then might be the next project to come to film, and producers will have to stay within the book (as PJ had to stay within LOTR).
If that's the case, that this is to help push sales, then maybe we may get more lore-correct shows or movies later on. Let's say Beren and Luthien sales spike, that then might be the next project to come to film, and producers will have to stay within the book (as PJ had to stay within LOTR).
Posted on 10/7/24 at 3:39 pm to Scoob
I'm not Tolkien expert, but I am an admirer and appreciator. I did like Season 2 and like the whole thing. I think it is a very good show and I've had to battle through all of the negativity and so many saying its horrible to get to that point. I was watching the season finale with my wife and I said to her, "You know, this is really good television and I'm enjoying it, despite what the Tolkien fans say."
I think if people gave it a chance, they'd find its actually really good. For example, it FAR surpasses anything that Disney has put out with Star Wars recently, except maybe Andor, and its probably equal to Andor as far as quality, plot/story, and acting.
I actually really like this and am looking forward to Season 3.
I think if people gave it a chance, they'd find its actually really good. For example, it FAR surpasses anything that Disney has put out with Star Wars recently, except maybe Andor, and its probably equal to Andor as far as quality, plot/story, and acting.
I actually really like this and am looking forward to Season 3.
Posted on 10/7/24 at 3:43 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Season 2 was a definite improvement over Season 1. It's a very good show.
Agreed. It turned out to be very good and I really enjoyed it.
I'm not sure what people want or why they are complaining so much. It is BASED on LOTR and Middle Earth and picks up and fills in gaps and tells the story in a new way. Tolkien is dead. He can't write new stuff. This is a "based on" type of show and it is enjoyable.
Posted on 10/7/24 at 5:47 pm to AlaTiger
quote:yeah, it's well made. The acting has overall been good. It's not the shite show some people claim.
It turned out to be very good and I really enjoyed it.
I'm not sure what people want or why they are complaining so much. It is BASED on LOTR and Middle Earth and picks up and fills in gaps and tells the story in a new way. Tolkien is dead. He can't write new stuff. This is a "based on" type of show and it is enjoyable
My gripe... I'm a Tolkien reader. I've read this stuff for years, I know how it goes and the time-lines. Going simply by that, the show hasn't met my nerd-level hopes.
It never was going to. FOTR did, the other 2 movies honestly didn't. That doesn't make those movies bad, and it doesn't make this show bad. I just wanted a different angle
Posted on 10/7/24 at 6:02 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Now this would be funny if it were Monty Python taking the piss out of Tolkien.
But this is meant to be quite serious, and the writers are VERY proud of themselves.
MauLer could easily make a 6-7 hour video to wreck this show for all its canon destruction and awful story telling.
Velma is in good company for the worst thing ever on TV.
Posted on 10/7/24 at 6:58 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
It's not that bad, Kaiju
The majority of the valid complaints stem from how they're playing loose and free with "the lore"... which is something the casual film fan doesn't know. They only know what they've seen in the theaters.
That same demographic is the one that expects hobbits, Gandalf, and the Balrog in Moria. It's the people who see Narsil, the Doors of Durin, and the occasional cringe-worthy dialogue callbacks and say "I got that reference, cool".
Truth is, there's a whole lot more of them, than there are people who know the lineage of the ring of Barahir. For practical financial purposes, it makes more sense to cater to that crowd, in the hopes you can pull them in deeper (and thus sell more books etc), than to cater to the Tolkien nerd who already owns it all.
The majority of the valid complaints stem from how they're playing loose and free with "the lore"... which is something the casual film fan doesn't know. They only know what they've seen in the theaters.
That same demographic is the one that expects hobbits, Gandalf, and the Balrog in Moria. It's the people who see Narsil, the Doors of Durin, and the occasional cringe-worthy dialogue callbacks and say "I got that reference, cool".
Truth is, there's a whole lot more of them, than there are people who know the lineage of the ring of Barahir. For practical financial purposes, it makes more sense to cater to that crowd, in the hopes you can pull them in deeper (and thus sell more books etc), than to cater to the Tolkien nerd who already owns it all.
Posted on 10/7/24 at 7:09 pm to AlaTiger
I love Lord of the Rings but I wouldn’t consider myself an expert in the Tolkien lore. I read The Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings novels many years ago. I didn’t hate season 1 but I wasn’t very excited about season 2.
I thought this season was a vast improvement. The story seemed more seamless and not so disjointed. I love the visuals as I think the acting is good. I look forward to the next season.
I thought this season was a vast improvement. The story seemed more seamless and not so disjointed. I love the visuals as I think the acting is good. I look forward to the next season.
Posted on 10/7/24 at 7:13 pm to Scoob
The best of these writers can do is re-purposed lines from Peter Jackson’s trilogy and of course, a few member berries. They have no concept on how to write a good story or build up characters.
I can’t fathom anyone genuinely liking anything this trash, Tolkien fa or not.
I can’t fathom anyone genuinely liking anything this trash, Tolkien fa or not.
Posted on 10/7/24 at 8:00 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
quote:it's not trash, as you would know if you watched it yourself.
I can’t fathom anyone genuinely liking anything this trash, Tolkien fa or not.
They've done a good job with Sauron, by himself and with Celebrimbor. They've done a good job with Durin. Gil-Galad was good this year, as was Elrond. We may cringe at "Gandalf", but he's been solid this year, as has Ciaran Hinds as the evil wizard.
Both Elendil and Pharazon have been good. People might complain about how Bombadil was placed, but the portrayal was very good.
Posted on 10/8/24 at 7:05 am to Scoob
True troll job . Well played.
Posted on 10/8/24 at 7:26 am to SouthEasternKaiju
It would take all day to list the stupid shite and lore breaking things in this show. It’s complete trash.
This post was edited on 10/8/24 at 7:26 am
Posted on 10/8/24 at 8:46 am to Scoob
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I DO think the production standards are good; the sets and scenery is top notch.
I agree. It's a very pretty show, good score, good sets. Production wise, outside of the major battle this season, it really can't be argued that this has bad production value. People always said Wheel of Time looked like a CW show, that can't be said for RoP. And it shouldn't obviously, given the budget.
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Like I said before, it's "Tolkien Lite". If you've dug into the lore, it's a disappointment.
But if your only awareness is the PJ films and you haven't read anything, it's good enough.
Some of those you mentioned are just fine and I'm sure good enough for casual fans. But, you forgot one thing that is probably the most important... writing. These people just aren't good writers so no matter how many cool characters you throw in, their writing of those said characters make it just meh.
Gandalf is prime example. Personally I can't really look past lore aspects but even if you're a casual fan or just a movie watcher, you have to watch Gandalfs main story line be him trying to save/protect two incredibly awful characters. Nori and Fatty are just awful characters. They are a knockoff Frodo and Sam. The first season the big mystery was "Is he Sauron?" Well it wasn't a mystery because it was so obvious he wasn't. This season the mystery was "Is he Gandalf" and they were so punch you in the nose with the hints that people knew it for weeks. I tried to convince myself it wasn't because I wanted him not to be. But there are so many weak points in his story and he is arguably one of the better story lines.
Or the dwarves. For a bit was by far the best part of the story for me. They were just done so well and then they throw in some ridiculous out of character son rebellion the week after the father basically saves the entire mountain all because the son doesn't like what the ring is doing to his father. Something that the rest of the mountain isn't getting to see, yet after a one minute long speech the entire mountain is ready to rebel. Then let's slap on some "your brother that has never even been mentioned one time in the show is challenging your rule" in the last scene so we can forget that there is still a balrog in the mountain. That's just bad, cheap writing.
Elrond at the beginning of the season with his motives was just laughably dumb. "I will not allow you to have these rings because if we keep them Sauron MIGHT... MIGHT deceive us and we will lose this place and the light and we will wither away in some odd way but I get rid of them we will WITH 100% CERTAINTY lose this place and the light and will wither away in some odd way. So wise Elrond is just hell bent on choosing the dumbest option possible. Then at the end of the season he's just casually watching these rings literally heal Galadriel. It doesn't take a book reader to see how bad some of this writing is.
I obviously could point out so many more things that just movie watchers would stop and go, "man, that is so dumb." but I've already done that in this thread so no use repeating myself.
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IF you don't know the lore, this is all very interesting,
Yea I just disagree. Just because something is previously known or mentioned in movies does not automatically make them very interesting. I honestly can't imagine a person watching anything that is taking place in Numenor and thinking "this is very interesting." Simply because it wasn't, at all.
Posted on 10/8/24 at 9:06 am to Scoob
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They've done a good job with Sauron, by himself and with Celebrimbor.
The best part of the show, for sure. Very well done.
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They've done a good job with Durin.
They had done a good job with him, then they kind of botched it. Especially if you factor in the Balrog. But the actor who plays Durin is nailing it and outside of Gimli, he's the best dwarf we've seen on screen.
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Gil-Galad was good this year, as was Elrond
Hard disagree. Gil-Galad was better sinply because he was improved on being such a wrongly adapted character. They finally made the high king not a twat. Yay. It's about time.
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We may cringe at "Gandalf", but he's been solid this year,
Unfortunately his story line involved the Harfoots. And unfortunately it was even Gandalf to begin with. Somehow, Gandalf is just there in east Middle Earth in the second age. So stupid. I personally can't turn off a switch and pretend to not be a fan of the books and wanting very basic lore to be correct.
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as has Ciaran Hinds as the evil wizard.
Cannot disagree more. I really like him as an actor. He was comically bad as an evil wizard. I hope they replace him because hisacting was just laughable. I said this show could not be knocked like it was a CW show, but that was a CW villain. So bad. Just season one stuff all over again.
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Pharazon have been good
Are you serious?
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People might complain about how Bombadil was placed, but the portrayal was very good.
Disagree. That wasn't Tom Bombadil. I could rant about this one but it was an abomination
Posted on 10/8/24 at 2:34 pm to iwyLSUiwy
-Tolkien is original coca-cola
-The Jackson movies are modern coca-cola
-Rings of Power is Bubba Cola
-The Jackson movies are modern coca-cola
-Rings of Power is Bubba Cola
Posted on 10/8/24 at 2:38 pm to Madking
Does that make the Hobbit trilogy Pepsi?
Posted on 10/8/24 at 2:43 pm to AlaTiger
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I think if people gave it a chance, they'd find its actually really good. For example, it FAR surpasses anything that Disney has put out with Star Wars recently, except maybe Andor, and its probably equal to Andor as far as quality, plot/story, and acting.
I think this is the problem. Our bar is set so low on these things that average is seen as incredible. Yes it is visually pretty good. Not as good as the PJ trilogy but it is appealing to the eye. The problem is that the writing is not sound. The universe is not sound. It contradicts itself.
I'm all for creating or putting twist on the lore, but at least put the effort into make it make sense. There are way too many part of the writing that make no sense if it was Star Wars, Narnia, Harry Potter, Westeros or anything. They didn't flesh out the details. It seems loose and unfinished. There is no attention to detail.
Is it better than most Hollywood productions of the last decade? Yeah probably. Is it great TV? IMO it is not. It was written by amateurs that tried to color outside the lines of Tolkien and missed on most of it. But that is just my opinion.
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