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re: The Rings of Power Season 2 - first 3 episodes release August 29th, 2:00 AM Central

Posted on 9/20/24 at 8:07 pm to
Posted by gizmothepug
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Posted on 9/20/24 at 8:07 pm to
Anyone that actually watched the first season knows that the second season has definitely been better. I’m not a book reader and don’t know all the lore but good tv VS bad tv isn’t hard to spot. The last several minutes of the latest episode was top notch IMO.
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 9/20/24 at 9:12 pm to
I'm enjoying the Annatar storyline. Sauron is really fricking with Celebrimbor's mind.

I like the subtle details, like "oh you mean that hammer?"- if you rewatch it, the hammer isn't on that bench moments before.
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 9/21/24 at 9:13 am to
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This show kinda drives me crazy. Skme stuff they are doing very well. Others, not so much.



For sure. I think it's just to the point for me where I definitely know the storylines I can handle and those I can't. Annatar/Celebrimbor/Eregion and the Dwarves are both very enjoyable. I have my gripes (like why is Celebrimbor a smith that wears silk and velvet clothes ) but for the most part they are good. Annatar and both Durins especially.

I just straight up don't like the Harfoots and Adar/Galadriels stories. A Fatty and Merimac love story is about the last thing I want to see and Galadriel having a good relationship and trying to work along side the Orcs is just ridiculous. Who in the world cares about Orcs having a home? Seriously. Just let them be bad, not every single bad guy has to have a good side. I don't think any person that has ever read Tolkien or watched LOTR though "Aww, I wish the Orcs had a place they could call home." It's so stupid.

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The wizard is definitely Gandalf unfortunately


Ugh. Yea it looks like the staff he is about to pick out is going to look like a Ganfalf staff.

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Tom Bombadil is definitely not goofy enough. He should be making zero sense


It seems like his character is about to come to an end because the wizard is obviously going to go after Nori. I agree he isn't aloof enough but at least they aren't going to give him a large role and still keep the Mystery of Tom Bombadil alive. I think. Hopefully.
Posted by diddlydawg7
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Posted on 9/21/24 at 10:28 am to
I had no clue they did this without VFX

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Posted by VaeVictus
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Posted on 9/21/24 at 12:01 pm to
This is the bad robot formula.

0 talent, mystery box, everyone is morally gray, and they also must all be shipped.

This series is truly terrible.
Posted by HottyToddy7
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 9/22/24 at 11:05 pm to
I’m trying to enjoy this show. I’m a trilogy fan that hasn’t read the books. Did fellowship audiobook once. I’ve done some YouTube videos to piece some puzzles together. But I’m just not excited about this show as I wish I was. Just seems predictable. Not the main plot, but reveals and such.

The calling bats was kind of wtf. What does Durin 3rd want from Annatar?

Orcs have been on the way to Eregion for 3 episodes while Elves and Dwarfs have made like half a dozen trips from Eregion to Khazad Dhum. The Gandolf and Tom Bombadil having a Luke and Yoda moment is just awful.

Just the writing is elementary. You have great source material. You don’t need to change much. Just use what you have. But they refuse to do it.
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 9/24/24 at 10:44 am to
I found this random blog last year because I was trying to find someone who talked with some reason about Rings of Power instead of either being someone who rage watches or someone who gushes over everything that she shows does. Just a genuine Tolkien fan that watches with an open mind but also can be critical. This guy is much much more knowledgable on Tolkien than me, it's pretty impressive, but I've read every one of his episode recaps and they are very good.

He had more praise for episodes 4 and 5 than he had of any of the episodes, he was even a big fan of Tom Bombadil, but he went pretty hard on episode 6. His episode reviews are worth a read if anyone is into that kind of stuff.

A Phuulish Fellow
Posted by Boodis Man
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Posted on 9/24/24 at 10:48 am to
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Anyone that actually watched the first season knows that the second season has definitely been better. I’m not a book reader and don’t know all the lore but good tv VS bad tv isn’t hard to spot. The last several minutes of the latest episode was top notch IMO.



makes sense, because only non fans of LOTR would be able to enjoy it.
Posted by VaeVictus
Member since Feb 2017
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Posted on 9/24/24 at 6:45 pm to
The show can barely keep non tolkien fans.

It's a turd entree with a fart garnish.

Down votes by people who probably think Big Bang Theory or Friends was funny. Haha
This post was edited on 9/24/24 at 7:15 pm
Posted by TigerFanatic99
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Posted on 9/24/24 at 7:18 pm to
Rumor has it this and next week's episodes - the siege of Eregion - both give original Game of Thrones battles like battle of the blackwater, hardholme, and Winterfell a run for their money in scale and intensity.

GET HYPE
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 9/24/24 at 9:15 pm to
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Rumor has it this and next week's episodes - the siege of Eregion - both give original Game of Thrones battles like battle of the blackwater, hardholme, and Winterfell a run for their money in scale and intensity.

I can certainly see them wanting to put a big battle on screen; it would be a marquee event. Along with the GoT scenes you list, you also have to look at LOTR- Osgilliath, Helm's Deep, and Pellenor Field (Minas Tirith).

But, let's wait and see what they do. There's a big difference between Battle of the Blackwater and Battle of Winterfell, in terms of scale. Blackwater did a good job with the dialogue and setting the tone, but we mostly see night beaches, and a little bit of the walls. Hardhome was a tier bigger, and Winterfell was another tier again.

I'd be excited if we get something comparable to Hardhome.
Posted by Esquire
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Posted on 9/24/24 at 9:30 pm to
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There's a big difference between Battle of the Blackwater and Battle of Winterfell, in terms of scale.


And lighting.
Posted by VaeVictus
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Posted on 9/24/24 at 10:09 pm to
It'll be terrible.

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This post was edited on 9/24/24 at 10:10 pm
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 9/24/24 at 10:33 pm to
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There's a big difference between Battle of the Blackwater and Battle of Winterfell, in terms of scale.



And lighting.
Most of what I remember of Blackwater was that it was dark too, but mostly closeups with fire providing the lighting, and maybe no more than 10 people at the most onscreen at any one time. It was a good suggestion of battle, but we didn't get the big wide angle scenes with tons of extras until later.

I don't think RoP can afford to half-arse it; one of the big criticisms was the initial Numenorean "army" being about 50 guys on horseback, attacking a village full of orcs. The show has a budget and they're trying to fix some of the complaints- they need to have something that feels "big". Maybe CGI, or a few pans of a field with 100+ extras.
Going the GoT route, I would think something similar to Dany and the Dothraki caught the Lannisters out in the field. A couple shots initially of the forces, so you have a sense of scale, and then you can do the closeups with less.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 9/24/24 at 11:50 pm to
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Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 9/25/24 at 6:11 am to
This board can be so damn annoying

While you boys dwell on lighting, I'm curious to see how much scale is placed on the battle. It should be comparable to the siege of Minas Tirith, or at least Helm's Deep.
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 9/25/24 at 8:43 am to
I'm in the minority in that I loved The Battle of Winterfell (outside of the dumb battle strategy and sending the Dothraki off into the night and Jon never even getting to fight the Night King at all). The actual battle itself was pretty awesome. At no point did the dark lighting bother me. It was a battle taking place at night in the rain and mud and the filming reflected a dark and gritty battle. It was one of the very few things I liked from season 8.

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It should be comparable to the siege of Minas Tirith, or at least Helm's Deep.


Helm's Deep was arguably the best battle of the entire trilogy. Something tells me it won't be that good
Posted by VaeVictus
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Posted on 9/25/24 at 7:00 pm to
Agree on Helms Deep. The final battle in RotK was ruined in some respects by the scrubbing bubbles green ghost army.

Rings of poower will have a pathetically small scale battle dominated by Mary Sues.
This post was edited on 9/25/24 at 7:01 pm
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:00 pm to
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Agree on Helms Deep. The final battle in RotK was ruined in some respects by the scrubbing bubbles green ghost army.

This is very true. I really, really wish that PJ had stuck with the books, left the ghosts out, and had the Aragorn/Eomer bro moment Tolkien wrote.
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Rings of poower will have a pathetically small scale battle
Probably, but I'm hoping they make an effort to convey scope. Laying siege to a Noldor city should be impressive
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dominated by Mary Sues
I take it you don't know the source material at all

Even if you insert Mary Sues into the story, this battle isn't going to be the place for them (although, honestly, I think it would make a lot of folks like the show more). Spoiler alert: things don't go very well.
I'm very curious to see if they do the "Sauron's new banner" thing.
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 9/26/24 at 8:54 am to
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The final battle in RotK was ruined in some respects by the scrubbing bubbles green ghost army.


I think the army of the dead was almost impossible to pull off on screen. It just didn't convert over from book to film that well but I think he did it about as best as he could, other than the army wiping out everyone with ease. I think he maybe could have made it not seem so simple. Just was slightly anti climatic.

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Rings of poower will have a pathetically small scale battle dominated by Mary Sues.


What about when Jackson changed source material by having a girl kill the Witch King instead of Merry? Never saw fans complain about that swap. Not defending Rings of Power, I have no faith in this battle, but I doubt it's going to be one where bunch of Mary Sue's come in. There's only Galadriel there.

I don't know the numbers of how many people are watching this show but this thread is kind of telling, It hasn't been filled with hate watchers (though some watchers could be avoiding this because they figure that's all it is) and there's barely any conversation. The season is almost over and we're only on 16 pages.
This post was edited on 9/26/24 at 10:10 am
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