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re: The official Interstellar thread (spoilers)
Posted on 11/10/14 at 11:22 am to LoveThatMoney
Posted on 11/10/14 at 11:22 am to LoveThatMoney
I see this as 2001 dumbed down and spelled out for the masses. And I mean that in a good way. I felt like I was watching an Arthur C. Clarke novel come to life.
Patterning the physical appearance of the robots after the obelisk from 2001 was a stroke of genius.
Patterning the physical appearance of the robots after the obelisk from 2001 was a stroke of genius.
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Posted on 11/10/14 at 11:23 am to schexyoung
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jacking this thread up.
It was jacked up when I got here.
Back to the original point.
Interstellar is clearly the best homage to 2001, to date. The "no sound in space" effect is key to capturing this, as is the themes about this mysterious other power and artifact placed near the gas giants - this traveling forward, in 2001 it was evolution (required, normally for survival) where most people have picked up that Interstellar is a film about the conflict between man's instinct for exploration (also key to survival - new resources, new places, new opportunities) and his survival instinct (everything outside this spacecraft can/will kill us).
Conflict is required for any interesting narrative, and this externalization of an internal conflict is very well done. I continue to process it and think about it - as I have done the other true Nolan films - and that is a good thing. He wanted to make me think and he's succeeded.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 11:23 am to OMLandshark
quote:Oh, that again
I stand by it being the most ambitious
Posted on 11/10/14 at 11:25 am to Ace Midnight
Whatever you want to call the movie, the first 1 hour and 40 minutes of TDK was Nolan's Magnum Opus ("some men just want to watch the world burn" was the pinnacle).
I think Interstellar, though way better than TDKR, will suffer from the same long-term fate: the lack of rewatchability outside of the theater. Think less, feel more.
I think Interstellar, though way better than TDKR, will suffer from the same long-term fate: the lack of rewatchability outside of the theater. Think less, feel more.
This post was edited on 11/10/14 at 11:26 am
Posted on 11/10/14 at 11:26 am to theunknownknight
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the movie was gnostic at its core.
ummmmmm Gnostics see nature as evil, not good
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Nature is not evil. It just is. Humanity, through partial knowledge and self awareness has become evil thereby making the incomplete journey of self-awareness inherently evil.
I guess so
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True goodness is taking the next step, transcending this base knowledge with love - leading to the highest level of self awareness and completely conquering nature - thereby surviving.
Yeah I can see where that comes from, I would have to re-watch with this perspective in mind to really get into philosophy with this.
This is one thing i LOVE about Nolan's movies is it examines fundamental philosophical questions like that. (at-least this one did) Someone who is well educated in philosophy really loves movies like this one. This is a good movie you could show to a class on philosophy and ask questions like you brought up.
BTW If you are accurate I would slightly disagree with his approach. Human intellect is primary and should be championed, but not against nature rather working in harmony with nature. I'm not so sure if this movie works against nature in order to concur it, but I have to re-watch
This post was edited on 11/10/14 at 11:29 am
Posted on 11/10/14 at 11:29 am to theunknownknight
Is it bad if some of my favorite movies are deep space movies and I've never seen 2001?
Saw Interstellar twice, enjoyed the second time just as much as the first. Was able to get a lot more of the story, and ill write my review this afternoon.
Saw Interstellar twice, enjoyed the second time just as much as the first. Was able to get a lot more of the story, and ill write my review this afternoon.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 11:30 am to catholictigerfan
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ummmmmm Gnostics see nature as evil, not good
Technically the "physical world" but yeah. My point was, ultimately, their knowledge allowed them to escape and survive the world (literally) below. Their incomplete journey of knowledge was, at its core, the worst offense. At humanity's core, this who still acted by natural instincts (Mann) were evil.
Transcendence via knowledge was survival.
I'm not saying that's the movies necessary INTENT. I was responding to other posters trying to make this movie philosophical.
This post was edited on 11/10/14 at 11:32 am
Posted on 11/10/14 at 11:30 am to catholictigerfan
Did not like it.
Doyle's death on the water world was stupid. He was standing at the space craft and just choose not to get in.
The ending was majorly contrived. It's like Nolan wrote this beautiful movie and wrote himself into a corner and didn't know how to end it. Understand I like all science fiction movies but the way they ended this one made me feel underwhelmed.
The fact that his kid, who loved her dad finally gets to see him on her death bed and she just sends him away? (After spending two years traveling to see him) Come on...or the fact that he was the guy who literally saved humanity and everyone in that room treated him like a part of the furniture.
The ending destroyed an otherwise great movie.
Doyle's death on the water world was stupid. He was standing at the space craft and just choose not to get in.
The ending was majorly contrived. It's like Nolan wrote this beautiful movie and wrote himself into a corner and didn't know how to end it. Understand I like all science fiction movies but the way they ended this one made me feel underwhelmed.
The fact that his kid, who loved her dad finally gets to see him on her death bed and she just sends him away? (After spending two years traveling to see him) Come on...or the fact that he was the guy who literally saved humanity and everyone in that room treated him like a part of the furniture.
The ending destroyed an otherwise great movie.
This post was edited on 11/10/14 at 11:32 am
Posted on 11/10/14 at 11:34 am to Fewer Kilometers
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I see this as 2001 dumbed down and spelled out for the masses. And I mean that in a good way. I felt like I was watching an Arthur C. Clarke novel come to life.
Yeah, I have no problem with this movie being dumbed down for the masses. I wanted this movie to have mass appeal, but also have complex subject matter. I don't think for instance MM would have to be shown how a wormhole works or ask Anne Hathaway how much time they'd lose being on that planet, but I think some of the audience needed those things spelled out for them. The fact is Nolan still goes into the complex subject matter and will make a 170 million dollar film and trust his audience can follow it.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 11:35 am to asurob1
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The fact that his kid, who loved her dad finally gets to see him on her death bed and she just sends him away? Come on...or the fact that he was the guy who literally saved humanity and everyone in that room treated him like a part of the furniture.
That was odd.
"Hey kids, your grandpa who saved the world is about to walk in. Everyone ignore him and I'll send him away on a suicide mission trolololol"
It's clear now that Murph never stopped hating her father
Posted on 11/10/14 at 11:36 am to barry
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Is it bad if some of my favorite movies are deep space movies and I've never seen 2001?
Probably so
Posted on 11/10/14 at 11:37 am to Itismemc
I prefer him in Eurotrip .
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Posted on 11/10/14 at 11:48 am to theunknownknight
quote:Well, no one believed her story and thought she solved the equation herself. She even said that.
"Hey kids, your grandpa who saved the world is about to walk in. Everyone ignore him and I'll send him away on a suicide mission trolololol"
Also, why would his trip to find Brand be a suicide mission?
Posted on 11/10/14 at 11:51 am to theunknownknight
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It's clear now that Murph never stopped hating her father
Which made little sense, given she found out her father was the ghost and had been with her all along. I get abandonment issues...but
Posted on 11/10/14 at 11:51 am to asurob1
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Doyle's death on the water world was stupid. He was standing at the space craft and just choose not to get in.
No - that's not true. That world was incredibly dangerous. He decided to keep the hatchway clear until TARS brought Brand aboard. May have been needless, but not stupid - the wave hit just right - as it is, they should have left Brand - but chivalry and comaraderie compelled them. His act was a sacrifice - similar to the oiler in Crane's "The Open Boat".
Posted on 11/10/14 at 11:52 am to Scruffy
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Also, why would his trip to find Brand be a suicide mission?
IT wasn't.
He either used the wormhole (I ignore the writer's explanation that it was gone) to get to her or their technology made giant leaps in 80 years and he could get there in one of those fancy ranger ships.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 11:54 am to Scruffy
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Well, no one believed her story and thought she solved the equation herself. She even said that.
Also, why would his trip to find Brand be a suicide mission?
I think they would believe her now. He was discovered floating in space and verified to be cooper and - the dude's in the room.
The answer to your question is "apparently" (from reading this thread) Jonathan Nolan is trying to convince everyone he intended on Murph giving Cooper an out to kill himself and die in space - because the wormhole was closed and he was unhappy.
Which, if true, proves Jonathan Nolan is clueless about his own stories.
This post was edited on 11/10/14 at 11:58 am
Posted on 11/10/14 at 11:57 am to asurob1
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The fact that his kid, who loved her dad finally gets to see him on her death bed and she just sends him away?
She explicitly explained that - I know it was tough to hear over Zimmer's wonderful, yet LOUD score, but she explained - perfectly - her reasons for sending him away. She was apparently briefed on Brand's situation and had some idea of her timeline.
What will happen is that (probably) Cooper gets there and they have a reunion similar to the one she hoped for with Edmunds. Murph knows she has days, perhaps a few weeks left with her children, grandchildren, etc. Coop can either stay there and watch her die, get to know the grandkids who are older than him (he's probably about the age of his great-grandchildren) - or start a new life (he's an explorer at heart and an engineer - "You told them I loved farming?" - a great joke they got to share) on an untamed new world.
Maybe convenient, but it was a great ending.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 11:58 am to Ace Midnight
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No - that's not true. That world was incredibly dangerous. He decided to keep the hatchway clear until TARS brought Brand aboard. May have been needless, but not stupid - the wave hit just right - as it is, they should have left Brand - but chivalry and comaraderie compelled them. His act was a sacrifice - similar to the oiler in Crane's "The Open Boat".
He was a moron then. When he got to the ship well before brand at anytime during that 3 minute sequence all he had to do was climb in it. It was stupidly written and took me out of the immersion of the scene. I get that the planet was dangerous....obviously with 800 foot waves. But no one no matter how big of a white knight he is, isn't going to just climb aboard once TARS had picked up brand and was hauling arse to get her back to the ship. Hell, TARS had time to get aboard.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 11:58 am to Scruffy
She also made some sort of comment about "a parent should never have to bury their child". They could have made the interaction better, but there was at least some explanation on why she sent him away.
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