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re: The Official DragonBall Thread....est 2012
Posted on 7/17/19 at 11:11 pm to tiggerthetooth
Posted on 7/17/19 at 11:11 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Power levels have been bullshite for a very long time
Question is, when did it start?
Hmm...Frieza was the strongest person in the universe by a good margin...or so we thought.
At 120,000,000
Dr. Gero was able to create 4 beings that could destroy Frieza pretty easily...and then Cell who had a power level double that of Frieza's before he ate a single human
In 3 years of training for the androids:
Yamcha was as strong as base form Goku on Namek
Krillin, Tien, and Gohan were stronger than Goku on Namek
Piccolo was as strong as Frieza before fusing with Kami
Tien had an attack that was 10 times stronger than Frieza
so yeah, once Frieza died...power levels were useless
This post was edited on 7/17/19 at 11:13 pm
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Posted on 7/17/19 at 11:15 pm to saintsfan92612
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At 120,000,000
No. Base was like 516,000
4,000,000 was final form in show. Manga might be different.
Posted on 7/18/19 at 12:28 am to LSU Coyote
where do you get 4,000,000?
Goku was at 3,000,000 and using Kaoiken x10 and not even doing any damage
Goku was at 3,000,000 and using Kaoiken x10 and not even doing any damage
Posted on 7/18/19 at 2:56 am to saintsfan92612
It was on some sheet back in the day. I've seen both PLs. One came from the manga and one from a vhs collection.
This is in the 90s on the old PlanetNamek website. If you remember that webring and website.
Edt: I understand your point though. But I also never accepted that crazy range. One reason being is I remember when the English sites started posting those numbers in the early 2000s. The maths make sense but it doesn't make any sense on a scale even with some type of DR (diminishing returns) impacting power output at a certain point.
This is in the 90s on the old PlanetNamek website. If you remember that webring and website.
Edt: I understand your point though. But I also never accepted that crazy range. One reason being is I remember when the English sites started posting those numbers in the early 2000s. The maths make sense but it doesn't make any sense on a scale even with some type of DR (diminishing returns) impacting power output at a certain point.
This post was edited on 7/18/19 at 5:15 am
Posted on 7/18/19 at 12:45 pm to saintsfan92612
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Goku is a genius at combat in DB and DBZ.
In the Japanese version, like if you watch it subbed instead lg dubbed, he's pretty much a giant man child autistic fighter. Someone who never progressed past the age of his head injury.
The American dub made him a much more mature person and he has an evolved character arc both as a fighter and as a person.
It leaves an American only viewer confused.
Posted on 7/27/19 at 8:41 pm to LSU Coyote
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It was on some sheet back in the day. I've seen both PLs. One came from the manga and one from a vhs collection.
This is in the 90s on the old PlanetNamek website. If you remember that webring and website.
Edt: I understand your point though. But I also never accepted that crazy range. One reason being is I remember when the English sites started posting those numbers in the early 2000s. The maths make sense but it doesn't make any sense on a scale even with some type of DR (diminishing returns) impacting power output at a certain point.
Per the Daizenshuu, Freeza's final form was 120 million.
Posted on 7/28/19 at 8:30 am to Byron Bojangles III
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Byron Bojangles III
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Also I just started watching Dragon Ball
Posted on 7/28/19 at 9:31 pm to Poxxxx says GFR
Just a heads up the new Dragonball Heroes ep 14 aired. Kind of an interesting filler till the new season starts.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 9:53 pm to Modern
Saw a tag today that said SSBGOKU. What would the B stand for?
Posted on 8/9/19 at 8:59 pm to Korin
Super saiyan blue, i suppose
Posted on 8/19/19 at 10:42 pm to Modern
Im a huge DB and DBZ fan, but I am just just now started getting into Super. A friend of mine convinced me to watch all of Super becuase it is supposed to be the greatest thing ever. I was hesitant, because I was content with being done with the series, but I gave in.
I must say, i have been fairly disappointed so far. Im only on episode 44, but it has just been lackluster so far. While it was a fun fight and ode to the past, Frieza coming back and basically becoming 1 billion times stronger in a matter of a couple of months felt extremely forced and quite honestly weak writing. Not to mention, what was once my favorite character, Gohan got the GT treatment and is nothing more than an after thought.
For people who have already finished the series (or atleast all the way caught up) does the series get better. Is it worth it to continue watching?
I must say, i have been fairly disappointed so far. Im only on episode 44, but it has just been lackluster so far. While it was a fun fight and ode to the past, Frieza coming back and basically becoming 1 billion times stronger in a matter of a couple of months felt extremely forced and quite honestly weak writing. Not to mention, what was once my favorite character, Gohan got the GT treatment and is nothing more than an after thought.
For people who have already finished the series (or atleast all the way caught up) does the series get better. Is it worth it to continue watching?
Posted on 8/19/19 at 10:56 pm to QJenk
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A friend of mine convinced me to watch all of Super becuase it is supposed to be the greatest thing ever.
I would have told you hes wrong. Super is fun but I don't give it the same marks at Z and dragon ball.
There's some interesting ideas introduced but some of the character development from Z to super hasnt worked for me.
Goku-wayyyyy too dumb, he's regressed SIGNIFICANTLY from Z
Vegeta-lost his depth and complexity
Gohan-just boring, too irrelevant as a fighter
Krillin- why is he so tiny? It's absurd how small they've made him
Piccolo- still the same piccolo, not much here
Goten & Trunks-were more relevant at the end of Z than they have been at any point in super. They went from supremely advanced super saiyan kids to....just regular children with Goten being extra dumb.
Other things:
power scaling is really out of control
The God forms are inconsistent and seem too easily achieved by many characters
The 6th universe Saiyans are lame.
Other than that DB is still a rich world with a lot of interesting stuff in it.
Posted on 9/5/19 at 9:13 pm to tiggerthetooth
Just finished episode 107, Super is an interesting show, very fun, but there are so many things that bother me.
75% of the tournamenr of power has been absolute fodder. Dont get me wrong, it was cool to see Roshi givr his all when he was clearly outmatched. But at the same time felt extremdly forced.
To be honest, Jiren and Top, Goku, Vegeta, 17, Frieza, and Hit could have and should have eliminated practically the entire field all in the first 5 minutes.
I absolute despise Caulifa and her back-tingling super saiyan transformation. I don't care much for the female Broly, but it did excite me with the prospect of Broly(the absolute best dbz movie and one of my favorite characters) possibly coming into the show at some point.
Why and how the frick did 17 become so strong by being a fricking park ranger. It's fun seeing him revert back to his android tendencies in the tourney, but it is absolute shitty writing to give him this huge powerup from no reason.
75% of the tournamenr of power has been absolute fodder. Dont get me wrong, it was cool to see Roshi givr his all when he was clearly outmatched. But at the same time felt extremdly forced.
To be honest, Jiren and Top, Goku, Vegeta, 17, Frieza, and Hit could have and should have eliminated practically the entire field all in the first 5 minutes.
I absolute despise Caulifa and her back-tingling super saiyan transformation. I don't care much for the female Broly, but it did excite me with the prospect of Broly(the absolute best dbz movie and one of my favorite characters) possibly coming into the show at some point.
Why and how the frick did 17 become so strong by being a fricking park ranger. It's fun seeing him revert back to his android tendencies in the tourney, but it is absolute shitty writing to give him this huge powerup from no reason.
Posted on 9/6/19 at 1:35 am to QJenk
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To be honest, Jiren and Top, Goku, Vegeta, 17, Frieza, and Hit could have and should have eliminated practically the entire field all in the first 5 minutes.
There's a few other worthy fighters left that just haven't shown out yet where you're at.
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I don't care much for the female Broly, but it did excite me with the prospect of Broly(the absolute best dbz movie and one of my favorite characters) possibly coming into the show at some point.
A new Broly movie did come out last year, and it's pretty good. The old Broly movies, and none of the 90s movies, were ever canon bc they were done without Toriyama (same as GT). Only the newer movies from this decade are canon to the storyline, so Broly is only just now officially canon to the franchise
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Why and how the frick did 17 become so strong by being a fricking park ranger. It's fun seeing him revert back to his android tendencies in the tourney, but it is absolute shitty writing to give him this huge powerup from no reason.
He's been training. It's simple. It's been years since the events of DBZ and he's been training the whole time. Characters train and have huge power jumps on the show all the time. Otherwise you don't have characters like Krillin, Tien, and Roshi being able to hold their own in this tournament
Posted on 9/9/19 at 6:27 pm to BowlJackson
Just finished super. Holy frick. I certainly had my doubts about the show. In fact, up until the Zamasu/Black saga I thought it was no better than GT if not worse.
Alot of the Tournanent of Power was drawn out annoying. But the ending battles vs Top the destroyer and Jiren was everything and more. I had a lot of enjoyment in seeing Frieza get curbstomped multiple times over. Although I wish that Jiren would have took the time to kick him off of whatever rock he was laying on.
Goku mastering ultra instinct is honestly up there with the first Ssj transformation and Gohan going SSj2 as an all-time Dragonball moment.
I loved 17's character. He was clearly outmatched vs Top and Jiren but his wits kept him in the game and proved very useful for u7. I don't think they win the tourney without him.
The ending definitely surprised me. My initial thought was that somehow Frieza would win and he would finally get his wish for immortality from planet namek. I would not have been excited for that because I dont want another huge Frieza arc.. Although i had a feeling someone would get the idea to simply wish back the erased universes at the end. I figured Zeno would come in and threaten to kill the winning universe if this wish was made. So when it was revealed that Zeno would actually kill them if any wish besides bringing everyone back to life, I was thoroughly shocked.
My thoughts now are what's next. As weird as it sounds, I dont really want to see any more power ups. I dont care to see Goku have to beat up yet another big big bad. I dont care to see a GodSSj3MUI.
Id be interested in Vegeta finding a planet Cold with all of Frieza's family, and have him come really close to wanting to destroy it in order to avenge his planet.
Id be much more interested seeing a story arc of where Jiren actually gets close with all of his pride troopers, and he gets revenge on whoever it was that killed his parents. Id be interested in seeing Vegeta go to Sadala and explore the similarities/differences between Planet Vegeta. Id be interested in seeing Piccolo go to the other planet Namek and training with the u6 warriors. 6
Id be interested in seeing Goten and Trunks be developed more. They are vastly more powerful than their fathers were at their age, so their potential should be through the roof.
Alot of the Tournanent of Power was drawn out annoying. But the ending battles vs Top the destroyer and Jiren was everything and more. I had a lot of enjoyment in seeing Frieza get curbstomped multiple times over. Although I wish that Jiren would have took the time to kick him off of whatever rock he was laying on.
Goku mastering ultra instinct is honestly up there with the first Ssj transformation and Gohan going SSj2 as an all-time Dragonball moment.
I loved 17's character. He was clearly outmatched vs Top and Jiren but his wits kept him in the game and proved very useful for u7. I don't think they win the tourney without him.
The ending definitely surprised me. My initial thought was that somehow Frieza would win and he would finally get his wish for immortality from planet namek. I would not have been excited for that because I dont want another huge Frieza arc.. Although i had a feeling someone would get the idea to simply wish back the erased universes at the end. I figured Zeno would come in and threaten to kill the winning universe if this wish was made. So when it was revealed that Zeno would actually kill them if any wish besides bringing everyone back to life, I was thoroughly shocked.
My thoughts now are what's next. As weird as it sounds, I dont really want to see any more power ups. I dont care to see Goku have to beat up yet another big big bad. I dont care to see a GodSSj3MUI.
Id be interested in Vegeta finding a planet Cold with all of Frieza's family, and have him come really close to wanting to destroy it in order to avenge his planet.
Id be much more interested seeing a story arc of where Jiren actually gets close with all of his pride troopers, and he gets revenge on whoever it was that killed his parents. Id be interested in seeing Vegeta go to Sadala and explore the similarities/differences between Planet Vegeta. Id be interested in seeing Piccolo go to the other planet Namek and training with the u6 warriors. 6
Id be interested in seeing Goten and Trunks be developed more. They are vastly more powerful than their fathers were at their age, so their potential should be through the roof.
Posted on 9/9/19 at 8:50 pm to QJenk
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seeing a story arc of where Jiren actually gets close with all of his pride troopers, and he gets revenge on whoever it was that killed his parents.
I've thought for awhile that Jiren is the one who actually killed his family in a fit of blind rage, because his power was so immense he didn't know how to control it as a child.
The short, shadow-animated backstory they gave him, kind of implies that.
Posted on 9/9/19 at 9:12 pm to QJenk
the new Dragon Ball movie takes place after the tournament of power. It’s one of the best dragon ball movies and is a must watch. The manga continues after the movie and has a new villain. When the anime comes back it will follow with the story the manga is currently telling. The new villain has a power that really has given Goku and Vegeta a lot of trouble. It has a lot of callbacks to DBZ and so far is better than anything in super. I can’t wait for the anime to come back and pick it up.
Posted on 9/9/19 at 9:42 pm to rebel of fortune
God the Dub won't get it until 2023 st the earliest I bet 
Posted on 9/10/19 at 12:27 am to QJenk
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My thoughts now are what's next. As weird as it sounds, I dont really want to see any more power ups. I dont care to see Goku have to beat up yet another big big bad. I dont care to see a GodSSj3MUI.
I don't read manga, but the new villain sounds interesting.
Planet Eater Moro. He's a wizard that's been in galactic prison for millions of years. He fights with magic instead of brute strength, martial arts, and ki blasts like how fights normally happen in DB. Like rebel of fortune said, it gives Goku and Vegeta a lot of trouble because they can't approach a fight with Moro like they do with everybody else.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 12:28 am to Modern
Season finale and no one commenting?
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