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Posted on 8/1/16 at 2:10 pm to adono
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The facts of the case which constitute the elements of a crime have to be put into the record. Most jurisdictions require the prosecution to recite the facts but some require the judge to make the statement while advising the defendant of his rights and the consequences of his/her guilty plea.
Here's where the show dropped the ball. The DA approved the plea bargain because he didn't want the political fallout it was creating. If that was the reason, the DA's office could have allowed Naz to take an "Alford Plea". An Alford Plea allows a defendant to take a plea deal without admitting guilt. Happens all the time in felony cases.
As a backdrop, I was a felony prosecutor for 6 years.
Awesome. Thanks for the insight
Posted on 8/1/16 at 2:19 pm to jg8623
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Because 1) she's not making any money so the faster and less time she has to spend the better. And 2) She could use the whole "I got a strong murder 1 suspect who was looking at 25-life down to a manslaughter charge with 15". So people who were actually guilty would look for her in times like that
Exactly. She doesn't care about Naz and doesn't care about trying to win the case. She took it because it would be high profile, tons of media coverage, and she could hang her hat on the awesome deal she got Naz.
You can see she doesn't care about Naz at all when she meets him before the re-hearing for bail and she tells him not to talk and not to look at the judge.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:01 pm to 632627
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me that just doesn't fit the narrative of her and her firm. There were implications that she was taking it due to the civil rights/discrimination aspect.
Then why was she pushing for a plea deal?
There could be outside reasons but none that the show has unveiled yet
Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:21 pm to 632627
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What was the point of her taking the case pro bono if she was just going to try to get a plea deal?
Fifteen minutes of fame. That whole plot line was to show Stone was going to cut a deal for the money, she was going to cut a deal for the fame which would lead to more money.
No one wants to stand up for Naz in the CJ system is the point. It's all about something else. The part where the female lawyer tried to sell Naz on a deal she already had in her pocket happens ALL THE TIME.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:23 pm to etm512
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do plea deals actually work like that where you have to testify as to what you are pleading to?
Yes, they do. The show demonstrated why it works exactly like that. It is intended to ensure the defendant is knowingly and voluntarily pleading as opposed to being railroaded by counsel. Naz's scene is exactly what those kinds of hearings are supposed to uncover.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:24 pm to jg8623
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Then why was she pushing for a plea deal?
There could be outside reasons but none that the show has unveiled yet
That's what doesn't make sense. As one of the other posters mentioned, he thought she was all in on going to trial, be it acquittal or conviction. I get that plenty of attorneys would hang their hat on a great plea deal, but that doesn't align with how they presented her initial interest.
I don't think we will learn these reasons as it's pretty obvious that Stone will be rehired, and her storyline ends.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:26 pm to LSUtoOmaha
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Yeah in real life, given the aggravated circumstances, no way the state offers 15 years.
:rotflmao: Y'all are totally overestimating how much public prosecutors who usually (a) aren't exactly the sharpest legal knives, (b) don't get paid that much compared to other lawyers, and (c) have ridiculously heavy caseloads really want to go to trial. People walk the streets on suspended sentences for violent crimes EVERY DAY. They do 0 jail time.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:28 pm to 632627
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To me that just doesn't fit the narrative of her and her firm. There were implications that she was taking it due to the civil rights/discrimination aspect.
That's what she used to sell the parents. She trotted out the one Muslim girl working at the firm and sold them on civil rights mumbo jumbo so as could land the case. All she wanted was the publicity.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 4:31 pm to EarthwormJim
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All she wanted was the publicity.
Agreed. Only difference of opinion was motivation for the publicity, although with the sloppy writing you may be correct that her intent was to deceive the parents.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 7:10 pm to 632627
the show is boring. Hope the true detective haters are happy, now we are stuck with this pile of shite.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 7:50 pm to Spaulding Smails
We know, you think this show is boring and terrible
So quit watching and posting about it
And this show is wayyy better than season 2 True Detective. Now that was a pile of shite
So quit watching and posting about it
And this show is wayyy better than season 2 True Detective. Now that was a pile of shite
This post was edited on 8/1/16 at 7:51 pm
Posted on 8/1/16 at 8:14 pm to Spaulding Smails
Shut up and leave
Posted on 8/1/16 at 9:30 pm to jg8623
Agree with this being better than season 2 of TD which seemed like a Lifetime Original series to me
Posted on 8/1/16 at 10:09 pm to Pax Regis
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Y'all are totally overestimating how much public prosecutors who usually (a) aren't exactly the sharpest legal knives
Since when are there "private prosecutors"?
Most prosecutors are actually the sharpest legal knives. The case load is demanding but that's why you take the job in the first place...courtroom experience. A prosecutor in a fairly large Parish/County may try 60 cases a year; many lawyers don't do that in their career.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 11:28 pm to 632627
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Her play would have been that nas was a good, American boy and not the Muslim monster that some people make him out to be. The initial implication is that she is looking at this from a civil rights/racial POV. That's why our first introduction to her was the p.i. turned age/sex discrimination case.
Had she been getting paid by the khan family from the start, I'd have no problem with the plea bargain, because yeah, nas was getting offered a great deal, and a loser like stone couldn't negotiate that. It just doesn't make sense that some bigshot lawyer is coming to save the day pro bono by pleading out.
My gripe is how they presented her and her firm. She was introduced while fighting against an age/sex discrimination case, and they made it seem as though she was interested in nas because he was Muslim. Someone like that isn't really looking to make a name for themselves by negotiating a plea. If she was some hotshot, up and coming criminal defense attorney I'd buy that story line.
I just think that whole storyline was a waste and the last 2 episodes could have been written with Stone as his attorney.
It was a display of how cynical she was. I didnt get the feeling she was at all interested in the merits of whether Naz killed her. She found an angle and started working it. She brought her Indian associate with her to manipulate his family. She cut bait the second that plea deal couldnt get worked. Remember, she had the deal already when she went to Naz, and completely played it like she had to sell the prosecution on the idea of a manslaughter plea.
Granted, Naz made her look bad, but she honestly failed to prepare him for what he would be required to do in the courtroom to secure the plea. Again, I think that was manipulation, getting him in that situation because she thought he would confess. The discrimination case and how she worked it was insight on how she believed those cases should play out in the court of public opinion.
She is by far the most cynical character in the whole show thus far. She was completely unprofessional when trashing Stone, and didnt get her client in any better position arguing for bail.
This post was edited on 8/1/16 at 11:31 pm
Posted on 8/1/16 at 11:53 pm to Dr. 3
The most telling part was when she was asking for Naz's bail and her argument was almost word for word the same as Stone's (a lawyer she of course verbally trashed, on court record).
She was nothing more than a Gloria Allred/Nancy Grace fame whore. The Indian chick will quit and join Stone as Naz new defense team.
She was nothing more than a Gloria Allred/Nancy Grace fame whore. The Indian chick will quit and join Stone as Naz new defense team.
Posted on 8/2/16 at 12:11 am to Dr. 3
Agreed, Dr. 3. I also agree with most everyone's thoughts that this was the best episode since the trailer. M
I am sick and tired of the jail/prison storyline and can't help but roll my eyes at the Freddy/Omar storyline of him being this all powerful prisoner. Unfortunately, since Naz just accepted his offer for help, I don't think it's going away anytime soon.
I am sick and tired of the jail/prison storyline and can't help but roll my eyes at the Freddy/Omar storyline of him being this all powerful prisoner. Unfortunately, since Naz just accepted his offer for help, I don't think it's going away anytime soon.
Posted on 8/2/16 at 12:36 am to Gugich22
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I am sick and tired of the jail/prison storyline and can't help but roll my eyes at the Freddy/Omar storyline of him being this all powerful prisoner. Unfortunately, since Naz just accepted his offer for help, I don't think it's going away anytime soon.
Im with you. Someone made a great point earlier... this is what happens when you take a 50 minute show and stretch it to 8 hours.
50 minutes might be an exaggeration, but they could have easily made this a 4 part miniseries and cut a lot of the excess, mainly the Freddy storyline. Second storyline to go should be the female attorney.
Posted on 8/2/16 at 1:33 am to 632627
I've said it multiple times, even after the first episode I wondered how they were going to get 8hrs out of this story. You're right though...if this was a 4 part mini series, it would would rival any TV show in recent memory. The prison angle is terrible...they should've just stuck to the murder case...it's far more captivating and enticing.
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