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re: The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power S1, Episode 4 Thread | Amazon | Available Now
Posted on 9/18/22 at 4:14 pm to Scoob
Posted on 9/18/22 at 4:14 pm to Scoob
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This isn't the portrayal of Galadriel I had anticipated, or would have went with if I was making this. That said, I do think too much is being made out of that;
The show is a bit boring and to remake a fan favorite character into a karen and mary sue at the same time shows that the writers and producers either are oblivious and incompetent or that the quality of the show is secondary to whatever social message they are trying to convey.
In most cases, I get the sentiment of "if you dont like it, dont watch it and stop complaining" but this is Tolkien and it is different. There is a LOT of overlap between Star Wars and LOTR fandom so naturally there are going to be a lot of frustrated fans out there that feel like the stories they love are being hijacked by uber rich corporations who bastardized their favorite franchises for the purpose of political social messaging.
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Posted on 9/18/22 at 4:48 pm to Guntersville
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The show is a bit boring
Galadriel being perfect and ethereal
Would definitely fix that.
Posted on 9/18/22 at 5:14 pm to Guntersville
quote:Tolkien has zero to do with Star Wars. Getting mad at Amazon because of Leia Poppins is ridiculous.
There is a LOT of overlap between Star Wars and LOTR fandom so naturally there are going to be a lot of frustrated fans out there that feel like the stories they love are being hijacked by uber rich corporations who bastardized their favorite franchises for the purpose of political social messaging.
I don't see the woke aspect. There are a couple black actors, who are relatively peripheral or obscure characters.
I don't think Galadriel is a Karen, she happens to be female.
She's the clear and obvious choice to both fixate on Sauron, saying the War is not over until he's gone too;
and also a good choice to illustrate Elvish almost unconscious contempt (or lack of respect) towards Men.
You can yell that they should already be wise, but a tv show, movie or novel would better work if the leads have a character growth arc. Galadriel and Elrond are the leads.
Would you rather she be solemn and all-knowing, and then taken by surprise when Sauron surfaces? Or have the Elves completely ignore her when she appears to be so? That wouldn't fit either. She IS right, but her demeanor is what is off. She's going to have to calm her tits to get the others to listen to her, and BTW the fact that she ends up somewhere other than Lindon or Rivendell indicates she never really integrates with the rest of the Noldor from here on out.
Posted on 9/18/22 at 5:16 pm to SammyTiger
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Galadriel being perfect and ethereal Would definitely fix that.
Worked just fine in the greatest literary fantasy series of all time and the greatest fantasy movie trilogy of all time...but hey what does Tolkien and Peter Jackson know
Posted on 9/18/22 at 5:23 pm to Scoob
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Tolkien has zero to do with Star Wars. Getting mad at Amazon because of Leia Poppins is ridiculous.
Ok...either you missed my point or are being intentionally obtuse. I actually dont even know how to clarify my point as it is plain as day
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I don't see the woke aspect.
Well I probably cant help you then. Ive read plenty of threads on this board on this subject. You may not think its woke but surely by now you know why other people think it is.
Posted on 9/18/22 at 5:24 pm to klrstix
quote:I’ve quite forgotten THEIR names …..
I suspect he is either Gandalf or Sauronquote:
I think he is a blue wizard...
Posted on 9/18/22 at 5:29 pm to Scoob
quote:He is saying that the overlap is in the fan base. I am not sure I agree. I am a huge Tolkien fan.
There is a LOT of overlap between Star Wars and LOTR fandomquote:
Tolkien has zero to do with Star Wars
Star Wars? I liked the first film, then I saw my first Ewok. Since THAT unnecessary bit of juvenile cuteness, I can take or leave the entire franchise.
Posted on 9/18/22 at 5:31 pm to Scoob
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You can yell that they should already be wise, but a tv show, movie or novel would better work if the leads have a character growth arc. Galadriel and Elrond are the leads. Would you rather she be solemn and all-knowing, and then taken by surprise when Sauron surfaces? Or have the Elves completely ignore her when she appears to be so? That wouldn't fit either. She IS right, but her demeanor is what is off. She's going to have to calm her tits to get the others to listen to her, and BTW the fact that she ends up somewhere other than Lindon or Rivendell indicates she never really integrates with the rest of the Noldor from here on out.
Amazon chose to make Galadriel the lead. As far as im aware, Amazon was bound to this specific timeframe but not this specific plot. Making Isildur the lead and expanding the world from Numenor out would have been what I went with. Theres a reason why Tolkien didnt make Galadriel a main character...and it was for probably the reasons you cited
I am criticizing the show a bit...but I will at least give an alternate plot/setting that I think would have been more interesting.
Series starts off with an armada of ships sailing towards middle earth. A vast and impressive Numenorean army proceed towards Sauron's army and rout it. Sauron changes his form and subtly conceals the ring before being taken prisoner...time jump several years in the future to when Sauron is an advisor and is corrupting Numenor
A different timeline shows the elf story as Annatar deceives the elves and helps them forge the ring of power. Alternate between these two timelines. Subsequent seasons can set up the war of the last alliance.
This post was edited on 9/18/22 at 5:59 pm
Posted on 9/18/22 at 5:39 pm to AggieHank86
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He is saying that the overlap is in the fan base. I am not sure I agree. I am a huge Tolkien fan.
Maybe, im definitely more of a Tolkien fan than Star Wars. Ive listened to the Hobbit audiobook probably 20 times as it hardly ever gets old to me. That said, there definitely is a decent amount of overlap.
Posted on 9/18/22 at 6:10 pm to Guntersville
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Worked just fine in the greatest literary fantasy series of all time and the greatest fantasy movie trilogy of all time...but hey what does Tolkien and Peter Jackson know
The ones where she is a peripheral character?
Posted on 9/18/22 at 6:34 pm to TideWarrior
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Again the show is not bad but far from great
No, it's CW Batwoman level bad.
That's nowhere near 'not bad'. It's horrific.
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it is just not a great Tolkien story.
It's not any sort of Tolkien story. It's not Tolkien. He didn't write any of this.
Posted on 9/18/22 at 6:56 pm to Guntersville
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Worked just fine in the greatest literary fantasy series of all time and the greatest fantasy movie trilogy of all time...but hey what does Tolkien and Peter Jackson know
They know she wasn’t a lead in any of the books or movies.
Posted on 9/18/22 at 7:00 pm to SammyTiger
There were five ishtari (forgot the spelling) right? Saruman, Gandalf, Radagast the Brown. The other two went east, but were they ever named?
Posted on 9/18/22 at 7:05 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
This is a thread for people who watch the show.
Posted on 9/18/22 at 7:07 pm to Guntersville
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Amazon chose to make Galadriel the lead. As far as im aware, Amazon was bound to this specific timeframe but not this specific plot. Making Isildur the lead and expanding the world from Numenor out would have been what I went with. Theres a reason why Tolkien didnt make Galadriel a main character...and it was for probably the reasons you cited
Agreed. If anything I’d make it duel protagonists with Isildur and Elrond as the two leads in a similar manner Jon Snow and Dany were in Game of Thrones. Not have them directly meet until near the end, and it’s probably the way it should have gone. Galadriel is more of a mid level player in the Second Age and she’s far more important in the Third Age.
This post was edited on 9/18/22 at 7:09 pm
Posted on 9/18/22 at 7:11 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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It's not any sort of Tolkien story. It's not Tolkien. He didn't write any of this.
He did, however, intend to allow others to fill in more detailed stories where he had only sketched outlines.
Posted on 9/18/22 at 7:13 pm to MRF
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He did, however, intend to allow others to fill in more detailed stories where he had only sketched outlines.
No he didn’t.
Posted on 9/18/22 at 7:15 pm to Philzilla2k
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No he didn’t.
“ I would draw some of the great tales in fullness, and leave many only placed in the scheme, and sketched. The cycles should be linked to a majestic whole, and yet leave scope for other minds and hands, wielding paint and music and drama.”
Posted on 9/18/22 at 7:21 pm to MRF
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“ I would draw some of the great tales in fullness, and leave many only placed in the scheme, and sketched. The cycles should be linked to a majestic whole, and yet leave scope for other minds and hands, wielding paint and music and drama.”
Yeah, that’s the Waldmen letter, 1951. He states in the same letter that this was an idea he had in his youth, and considered it quite silly in his elder years. Same letter.
Posted on 9/18/22 at 7:21 pm to MRF
He’s talking about Christopher, who understood his father’s vision.
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