re: The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power S1, Ep. 1 and 2 Thread | Amazon 9:00 pm EDT

Watched the 1st episode but was too tired for episode two last night. Not going to read the thread bc of spoilers but my thoughts on episode one...

It was a good episode of fantasy TV. Not sure it was a good episode of Lord of the Rings TV though. Research tells me that Galadriel actually was a warrior at one point and it wouldn't surprise me if she was a commander so that didn't necessarily bother me, but with lore it wasn't a long period of time. Hopefully she isn't a battle warrior for the entirety of this series. Her armor really gets on my nerves. It just doesn't resemble Elven armor and I don't know why they'd go away from what it would look like other than to just try and make her look badass. It is definitely more Game of Thrones than LOTR.

I'm glad that they actually showed she was centuries old instead of pretending she was a young kid. She definitely looks more of an adult in the episode than she did in the previews. Elrond as well. On the other hand, Celebrimbor looking old is odd. You just would never picture him as an old man.

Arondir and Bronwyn didn't bother me for the sole fact that Bronwyn is hot and hopefully we get more of her character. The Harfoots weren't nearly as bad as I was expecting them to be if you can look past the "they shouldnt be around right now" aspect of it.

The episode had it's moments and I like that it was true to somethings but then on the other hand it's not true to even more things and it will probably only get worse in that regard. I'm not giving up yet. Nothing yet to me was a slap in the face to Tolkien, that's probably where I'll draw the line.

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What you mean is that there is some vaguery in some small parts, and you can inject whatever you want? Even if it is completely out of character?

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You keep saying it’s out of character

Tolkien said she was of the Amazon disposition, we know she fought in rebellions, we know she fought other battles. We know physically she was big and strong and athletic (her mother called her Man-Maiden) Her whole family had powers but also swung swords and wore armor.

You’re assuming she used her powers, but you can’t bring forth 1 example of her using those powers idk in actual combat. She collapsed a building but so did Luthien only using words of power which is likely how she did it.

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I literally Quoted a passage Tolkien wrote that described fierce fighting and no other details.

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You go to other works to fill in the details. More likely she fought fiercely in a magical or political sense.

That would fit her character perfectly.

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That makes zero sense in the battle at Alqualonde.
There's zero mention or suggestion of any "magic" in that fight, but rather, the Noldor overwhelmed the Teleri because they had more advanced weapons. Weapons they had forged, some by Feanor and some in response to him, which they had already caused some alarm by wearing openly in Valinor.

Usage of politics... no. This was a sudden and fairly quick skirmish, seizing the swan ships. Was no time for that. And then, when you come down to it, the only 'politicking' going on, was the Valar and their supporters saying "Don't Go".

Feanor's group (including Celebrimbor) came and used force to take the ships. Fingolgin's group (including Galadriel) showed up and found a pitched battle, and many assumed the Teleri were trying to detain them on the Valar's orders.

The words used to describe Galadriel's actions were "fought fiercely", not "protested"... involved in a battle where Elves killed each other. The ONLY reason you would try to make that anything other than use of arms, is because she is female.

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You can’t say based on what you know, and then guess 3 times.

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I listed 3 things we know she can and has done.

You are hanging your hat on one thing because of wjat the books don't explicitly say.

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Ok. And?

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clarifying that there was a war going on, and she didn't take part.

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It didn’t have to be a melee battle but it could have been. Again, you’re opinion and interpretation aren’t universal truth.

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So Tolkein is in the habit of leaving out the feats of great warriors?

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When?

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I mean, The Fall of Gondolin is a good source.

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That makes zero sense in the battle at Alqualonde.

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and only one vague mention of Galadriel there, is being used to extrapolate and entire skillset.

Has she ever been described to use a sword?

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The words used to describe Galadriel's actions were "fought fiercely"

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Which can only be done in melee?

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because she is female.

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Whelp.

Done with this asshat

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The Fall of Gondolin is a good source.

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Takes place during the first age when she wouldn’t have been famous, and is she even in it?

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Tolkien said she was of the Amazon disposition

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He clarified it to mean she was an athlete in the same sentence.

Amazonian disposition was his way of saying "tomboy"

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Takes place during the first age when she wouldn’t have been famous, and is she even in it?

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Lots of armor descriptions, iirc.

Just first thing that popped in my head

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Where did he say this?

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Actually now looking it was just fought fiercely, not fiercely as a warrior.