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re: The Last of Us | S1, Ep 9 Season Finale | NO GAME SPOILERS Thread
Posted on 3/14/23 at 4:06 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Posted on 3/14/23 at 4:06 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Maybe if they didn't use the 2nd longest episode of the season by 16 minutes as a filler episode, which will remain nameless, they could have spent more time on other things
They had more time. It was originally gonna be 10 episodes. They cut it down to 9 and the last 2 episodes couldve been 30 minutes longer each if they had anything they wanted to add.
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Posted on 3/14/23 at 8:31 pm to Corinthians420
This episode sucked compared to the ones prior. It was rushed to the point of loosing focus. It didn’t even seem like it fit in the series.
Posted on 3/14/23 at 11:46 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Well, it’s a legitimate moral quandary. Do you give up your kid (and that’s how he sees her at this point) to save humanity knowing it will kill her? Or do you try to find another way that wouldn’t kill her?
No moral quandary for me at all.
frick humanity, I’m saving my kid
Posted on 3/15/23 at 12:25 am to Morgus
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there's an extremely high probability for a cure
Maybe this is conveyed in the game? It certainly wasn’t in the show.
The only mention of how they planned to “cure” humanity was the very last episode and it’s one doctor who “thinks” it will work with no mention of even trying anything that wouldn’t kill her first.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 7:16 am to JesusQuintana
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Maybe this is conveyed in the game? It certainly wasn’t in the show.
The only mention of how they planned to “cure” humanity was the very last episode and it’s one doctor who “thinks” it will work with no mention of even trying anything that wouldn’t kill her first.
This was kind of my point. Joel wakes up after getting knocked out by a flash bang grenades, and hours, days, and months of plot development are presented to him deus ex machina style. Bing bang boom.
And then let’s send the most dangerous man in post apocalyptic America on his merry way with a couple of redshirts.
Just a bizarre way to end an otherwise excellent series.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 7:53 am to LSUPERMAN
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YOU do not know for sure if she got to make a choice or not.
The choice in question is life or death. When she woke up with Joel, she was likely pretty sure she wasn’t dead. Instead of asking why she isn’t dead, she is asking what happened.
The conversation with the firefly leader could not have implied any more heavily that she, not Ellie, made the choice.
Unless the writing was purposely misleading, This doesn’t seem like a debatable point.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 8:23 am to MAXtheTIGER
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This was kind of my point. Joel wakes up after getting knocked out by a flash bang grenades, and hours, days, and months of plot development are presented to him deus ex machina style. Bing bang boom.
I don’t know if it makes any difference, but he actually got knocked out by the butt of a Firefly’s rifle. The flash bang was just how they got the drop on him.
Also I’m fairly certain it’s hours at most. While getting knocked out for that long is pretty unrealistic barring serious trauma, it’s a fairly common film trope.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 10:19 am to OceanMan
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The choice in question is life or death. When she woke up with Joel, she was likely pretty sure she wasn’t dead. Instead of asking why she isn’t dead, she is asking what happened. The conversation with the firefly leader could not have implied any more heavily that she, not Ellie, made the choice. Unless the writing was purposely misleading, This doesn’t seem like a debatable point.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 11:22 am to JesusQuintana
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Maybe this is conveyed in the game? It certainly wasn’t in the show.
The only mention of how they planned to “cure” humanity was the very last episode and it’s one doctor who “thinks” it will work with no mention of even trying anything that wouldn’t kill her first.
Huh? By episode 2 you knew she was a potential cure. As soon as you saw that she was infected but hadn't died you could put 2 and 2 together. Ellie and everyone around her knew this. Why even make the journey if you don't think she could be a cure? The fireflies already knew that and obviously had a plan in place already. Their plan obviously was high risk with potential death or guaranteed death, but it was pretty clearly conveyed that she was a potential cure.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 12:04 pm to JesusQuintana
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Maybe this is conveyed in the game? It certainly wasn’t in the show.
The only mention of how they planned to “cure” humanity was the very last episode and it’s one doctor who “thinks” it will work with no mention of even trying anything that wouldn’t kill her first.
i'll spoil game a little bit since it's past, but in my opinion, the show left out some important nuance about Joel's decision. none of this is a spoiler as to what is to come, but a detail they glossed over or didn't cover during the final episode.
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the game implies heavily that they have tried this and failed before, but were very hopeful that Ellie's proven superior immunity was going to be the key. Other lives had been lost trying to find a cure. It's not to say this one would have failed, simply that they had tried before and failed. Even if it would have been 100% successful, Joel would have done the same thing.
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if that's too much, i'll edit.
This post was edited on 3/15/23 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 3/15/23 at 12:38 pm to 3nOut
Yeah that only happens if you go around looking at every single note or tape in the hospital. Something that wouldn’t make sense from a show perspective
Posted on 3/15/23 at 1:17 pm to dawgfan24348
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Yeah that only happens if you go around looking at every single note or tape in the hospital. Something that wouldn’t make sense from a show perspective
agreed. much like scavenging for ammo. but it does put Joel's actions in a somewhat more favorable light in context.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 3:12 pm to dawgfan24348
We can have hour long interludes for world building but can’t have a two minute scene where Joel discovers they’d tried this multiple times before and failed 
It was clear the writers wanted Joel’s decision to be as morally ambiguous as possible
It was clear the writers wanted Joel’s decision to be as morally ambiguous as possible
Posted on 3/15/23 at 3:53 pm to Sun God
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It was clear the writers wanted Joel’s decision to be as morally ambiguous as possible
Hmm. I think that’s the case in the game. That’s what Druckman wanted originally when he created the game. He talked about how becoming a parent drastically changed him and how he would literally do anything to protect his kid.
In the show, the way Pedro portrayed it, with the music and way it was directed, and being withheld key info that we got in the game like Ellie not knowing it was going to kill her and Joel finding out the operation has a slim chance of success - things that have to be assumed in the show from subtext, made it really paint Joel in a worse light than what was originally intended in order to set things up for Part 2 a little better.
Both in the game and in the show, he did a horrible thing, but IMO the game did a better job of making it as morally ambiguous versus the show where it clearly wants you to lean towards what Joel is doing is wrong
Posted on 3/15/23 at 4:09 pm to dawgfan24348
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Yeah that only happens if you go around looking at every single note or tape in the hospital. Something that wouldn’t make sense from a show perspective
You also only find out that Marlene knew Ellie’s mother in the game if you go find those tapes and recordings. There are other ways to introduce the information.
I do think it’s a fairly important bit of nuance that’s missing from the show. Not the end of the world but still.
Posted on 3/16/23 at 12:13 am to iwyLSUiwy
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Huh? By episode 2 you knew she was a potential cure. As soon as you saw that she was infected but hadn't died you could put 2 and 2 together. Ellie and everyone around her knew this. Why even make the journey if you don't think she could be a cure? The fireflies already knew that and obviously had a plan in place already. Their plan obviously was high risk with potential death or guaranteed death, but it was pretty clearly conveyed that she was a potential cure.
Yes, that’s what the entire show has been about. That didn’t go over anyone’s head
They didn’t mention HOW they would make the cure until the last episode. The person I was responding to said it had a high probability of success and there just isn’t any indication that this is true.
Posted on 3/16/23 at 12:17 am to WicKed WayZ
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Both in the game and in the show, he did a horrible thing, but IMO the game did a better job of making it as morally ambiguous versus the show where it clearly wants you to lean towards what Joel is doing is wrong
Well, that’s only if you agree he did a horrible thing. Context or not. Knowing that is has failed before or not.
I don’t agree. He did exactly as I would have done.
Posted on 3/16/23 at 5:15 am to JesusQuintana
I still agree with Joels decision even if it had a 90% chance of success. It may be selfish of him but what they were trying to do was wrong.
Posted on 3/20/23 at 1:51 am to Corinthians420
Spoilers::::::
Game spoilers… even though the season is complete and I’m not revealing anything else beyond how the show ended…
I’m in somewhat of a unique position…
I watched episodes 1-5 knowing nothing…
And I’ve played the entire game since. I just finished watching the final 4 episodes, and I watched the finale tonight.
Sorry but this show sucks compared to the game. And I saw the Sam and Henry episode on tv before I witnessed it on the game as intended. They nailed it. That was an incredible episode and adaptation.
Everything else afterward is a fricking joke. I don’t need episodes filled with infected and clickers and bloaters, but they became non existent.
And to pretend Joel is a villain is fricking horseshite. He found the voice recordings in the game. Ellie was going to die. She wasn’t going to save humanity. It was a lie. They tried this on dozens of others. She wasn’t a cure.
They were going to kill her in surgery. And nothing would come of it.
Joel didn’t lie to Ellie.
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I’m really disappointed in how final four episodes of this show went down. There’s a lot I didn’t like about it. But I especially didn’t like that she didn’t look like or sound like or act like Ellie. Yes the actress was fun in hbo Game of Thrones, but she didn’t deliver some award winning or specifically worthwhile performance here. She kinda sucked if I’m being honest. I don’t like her portrayal of Ellie at all. Blame the writers I guess. Not her. But it wasn’t anything close to the game aside from a few cut scenes that they enacted.
Game spoilers… even though the season is complete and I’m not revealing anything else beyond how the show ended…
I’m in somewhat of a unique position…
I watched episodes 1-5 knowing nothing…
And I’ve played the entire game since. I just finished watching the final 4 episodes, and I watched the finale tonight.
Sorry but this show sucks compared to the game. And I saw the Sam and Henry episode on tv before I witnessed it on the game as intended. They nailed it. That was an incredible episode and adaptation.
Everything else afterward is a fricking joke. I don’t need episodes filled with infected and clickers and bloaters, but they became non existent.
And to pretend Joel is a villain is fricking horseshite. He found the voice recordings in the game. Ellie was going to die. She wasn’t going to save humanity. It was a lie. They tried this on dozens of others. She wasn’t a cure.
They were going to kill her in surgery. And nothing would come of it.
Joel didn’t lie to Ellie.
Edit:
I’m really disappointed in how final four episodes of this show went down. There’s a lot I didn’t like about it. But I especially didn’t like that she didn’t look like or sound like or act like Ellie. Yes the actress was fun in hbo Game of Thrones, but she didn’t deliver some award winning or specifically worthwhile performance here. She kinda sucked if I’m being honest. I don’t like her portrayal of Ellie at all. Blame the writers I guess. Not her. But it wasn’t anything close to the game aside from a few cut scenes that they enacted.
This post was edited on 3/20/23 at 2:36 am
Posted on 3/20/23 at 7:10 am to habz007
So just finished the finale last night. This show is crazy overhyped. It’s good but it could have been so much better. More zombies and a couple of more episodes. They had zombie encounters in like 3 episodes the whole season and then it felt rushed at the end because they wanted to do backstory episodes for throwaway characters
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