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re: The Flash Season One Thread
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:49 pm to BlacknGold
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:49 pm to BlacknGold
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the blood sample stuff just seems like a red herring to me. theres a very easy way to just twist what Cisco said and explain it away if they so choose. they left it very vague for a reason.
The only way this works is if they come back and say that Wells switched out his blood sample at some point before Cisco checked it because Cisco did check it against the sample that was on Wells' file. Now they could very well do that, but I'm just saying that it hasn't been hinted at yet.
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What if...
Reverse Flash = Future Barry = Dr. Wells
There's one thing that I still can get past if this turns out to be the case. I just don't see any version of this earth's Barry being turned into a guy that could kill people the way that Wells has this season. Now if it was a future Barry from another earth, then I could maybe see that.
And also where does the second Reverse Flash fit into all of this? Did Wells decided that mentoring his younger self wasn't enough, so he decided to also mentor the guy that would become the original Reverse Flash?
the only definitive conclusion that I can come to is that time travel gives me a headache when trying to predict what is actually go on.
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I believe at the end of the season we will see 20-something Barry travel back in time to the night of the murder.
This I agree with. I think in the season finale we'll see present day Barry go back in time to the night of the murder. How it all turns out, I haven't got a clue right now though.
This post was edited on 2/11/15 at 12:56 pm
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Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:55 pm to Bamatab
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The only way this works is if they come back and say that Wells switched out his blood sample at some point before Cisco checked it because
i mean the entire wells persona is faked, why would the blood sample be as well? wells is clearly someone else in disguise. why would his blood sample be the only true thing about him? it was never said where cisco got it from anyway
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the only definitive conclusion that I can come to is that time travel gives me a headache when trying to predict what is actually go on.
agreed. its sort of less fun to speculate since theres no way of telling what direction they want to go in.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 1:03 pm to LeonPhelps
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imagine the roles were reversed in last night's episode on their second date. Imagine Barry wanted to skip dinner and go straight to sex, the girl was reluctant but Barry basically says, "We are doing this", then when the girl suddenly has to go and doesn't put out, Barry says, "I'm not wasting my time on you." Barry would come off as an a-hole. But since the roles were reversed everyone thinks the girl is cool, modern, and edgy? She is a just a bitch, and I hope she gets written out of the show soon.
quote:Pfft.
LeonPhelps
No Ladies man, you.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 1:03 pm to BlacknGold
I thought they were lingering on Wells in that shot because of the ring on his finger. It looked a lot like Flash's ring that holds his uniform in the comics.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 1:59 pm to VaBamaMan
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I thought they were lingering on Wells in that shot because of the ring on his finger. It looked a lot like Flash's ring that holds his uniform in the comics.
And this is the one clue that gives me pause that Wells could be future Barry. Why would Wells have Barry's ring. I don't recall any of the Reverse Flashes having a ring like Barry's, or am I wrong on that?
The ring could've come off during the fight back during the murder event, and Wells could've found it or something...I guess. But that is a pretty big leap.
But again if Wells is future Barry, then why is he so willing to kill people. That just isn't something I picture Barry Allen being willing to do.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 3:09 pm to Bamatab
Maybe my memory is completely off here, but hasn't he used that ring to get into his secret room since the pilot?
I thought I remembered a scene where he got that ring out and used it to open the wall; unless I'm mistaken it was all part of the "he's looking at weird future newspapers and he can walk" reveal.
ETA: and I thought that the shot of the back of his neck was weird too, I just didn't connect it to the bullet from last week ... but I like that idea!
I thought I remembered a scene where he got that ring out and used it to open the wall; unless I'm mistaken it was all part of the "he's looking at weird future newspapers and he can walk" reveal.
ETA: and I thought that the shot of the back of his neck was weird too, I just didn't connect it to the bullet from last week ... but I like that idea!
This post was edited on 2/11/15 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 2/11/15 at 3:17 pm to Bamatab
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But again if Wells is future Barry, then why is he so willing to kill people. That just isn't something I picture Barry Allen being willing to do.
He's willing to do whatever it takes to train and push his younger self to be faster than he was and therefore able to save his/their mother.
Spiderman wiped out his marriage to a hot supermodel to save his 90 year old aunt. It's more than feasible.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 3:36 pm to Murray
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Spiderman wiped out his marriage to a hot supermodel to save his 90 year old aunt. It's more than feasible.
Yeah, but self-sacrifice is totally different than sacrificing other people when it comes to comic book heroes and their morality.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 5:14 pm to Bamatab
we dont know future barrys life up to this point. plenty could have happened to turn him jaded. i know you read comics, but are you familiar with Hal Jordan and his turn into Parallax?
Wells (if he is Barry) could have suffered severe tragedies to turn him into the man he is today. Assuming he is Future Barry, he is willing to go back and time and really mess with the timeline to further his goals. heroes fall and change all the time. we just dont know the motivation yet. but if its there, then it fits with how he is. This would clearly not be the Barry Allen we know.
Wells (if he is Barry) could have suffered severe tragedies to turn him into the man he is today. Assuming he is Future Barry, he is willing to go back and time and really mess with the timeline to further his goals. heroes fall and change all the time. we just dont know the motivation yet. but if its there, then it fits with how he is. This would clearly not be the Barry Allen we know.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 6:19 pm to BlacknGold
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but are you familiar with Hal Jordan and his turn into Parallax?
I don't think Jordan going completely insane and turning into Parallax isn't quite the same has Barry's life's circumstances turning him into an amoral person. Those two situations are pretty different.
But with that said, I get your point.
Posted on 2/14/15 at 9:18 am to Bamatab
Quick question.
Did we reconcile the difference in attitude Wells has in killing to protect Barry, and his dislike of "The Arrow" in the crossover? He didn't like Oliver because of his killing. It's an interesting juxtaposition of reasoning by him, possibly a tad hypocritical, or could be a just an act. It is possible his only motivation is protection of Barry, and then the city in the last episode. Who would fit those parameters. Barry always protects Central City, and Barry would conceivably protect himself. He just has taken it to another level. The writers are doing a good job of mixing signals.
Random I know, but saw they are planning another crossover on episode 18. Made me think about the last one.
Did we reconcile the difference in attitude Wells has in killing to protect Barry, and his dislike of "The Arrow" in the crossover? He didn't like Oliver because of his killing. It's an interesting juxtaposition of reasoning by him, possibly a tad hypocritical, or could be a just an act. It is possible his only motivation is protection of Barry, and then the city in the last episode. Who would fit those parameters. Barry always protects Central City, and Barry would conceivably protect himself. He just has taken it to another level. The writers are doing a good job of mixing signals.
Random I know, but saw they are planning another crossover on episode 18. Made me think about the last one.
Posted on 2/14/15 at 9:52 am to VaBamaMan
I speculated the real reason Wells didn't originally want Oliver around wasn't for the reasons he stated, but really didn't want Oliver to start getting suspicious about who Wells really was. I believe Oliver even made an off-handed comment about Wells being off or something. That was the vibe I got anyways.
Posted on 2/14/15 at 10:06 am to Bamatab
I always figured Wells just didn't like how much Oliver could influence Barry since Barry slightly idolized him. Wells likes to be the only snake whispering in your ear so to speak.
Posted on 2/14/15 at 10:58 am to Tedock
Posted on 2/14/15 at 11:07 am to UMRealist
I think the show might be blowing its load too early with all the villains this season. The only main Flash villain they havnt used yet is mirror master, I think its too much too soon.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 7:24 pm to Tedock
Could.....future Barry have killed his mother? Obviously this is waaaay outside the comics but hear me out.
Reverse Flash goes back in time to not kill Flash's mother. Because it changes the future, Barry goes back in time as well thinking he is going to save his mom, thinking emotionally not critically. Reverse Flash tells him what he is doing, Flash kills his mom to maintain the future.
I dunno, what he said about being "Destined to fail" brought this to mind.
P.s. it's a stupid theory.
Reverse Flash goes back in time to not kill Flash's mother. Because it changes the future, Barry goes back in time as well thinking he is going to save his mom, thinking emotionally not critically. Reverse Flash tells him what he is doing, Flash kills his mom to maintain the future.
I dunno, what he said about being "Destined to fail" brought this to mind.
P.s. it's a stupid theory.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 7:28 pm to VaBamaMan
Well damn...
Posted on 2/17/15 at 7:30 pm to BaddestAndvari
Not sure how to take that.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 7:35 pm to VaBamaMan
this episode has been so procedural, it might be the most procedural episode this season. Also, wells 
Posted on 2/17/15 at 7:45 pm to BaddestAndvari
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wells
Did you catch the smile on his face as they dragged Stein away?
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