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re: The Days of Great Movies Are Gone With the Wind
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:16 pm to tigerfan84
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:16 pm to tigerfan84
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Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:29 pm to RollTide1987
I've been saying this for years.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:47 pm to ZappBrannigan
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I think the point is about Best Picture winners and nominees used to fall more towards films that were both critically and financially successful and there in laid the metrics for rewatchability.
Now the rewatchable movies are less grand and the nominees are falling more towards literal who's.
I enjoyed the shape of water. But it's audience was del Toro fans, classic horror sci-fi fans, and critics. That's a narrow narrow rewatch group.
But this also goes in line with the changes in film financing. Making a real film, without special effects, is far cheaper than it used to be. That's why I think we've actually seen more low-stakes film hit the box office than in years past. BUT the capitalist nature of films mean they are going to go for the home run more often, hence the explosion of the blockbuster post-1994.
The question is: Does a quality film require big financial success to be considered an overall success? Or do we just hope they do? Does the Academy need them to be before they nominate them?
Again, this falls on the side of the Academy and Big Studios. The legitimate content is THERE. And like Baloo said, I think films are FAR more diverse now than they've ever been - especially in typically fringe genres like horror.
Rewatchability is a stupid thing to hang your hat on too....that's different for everyone. I'm probably the only one here who has rewatched The Guest like 10 times. It's a great film, wonderfully off-kilter.... TO ME. I only want to watch Gone with the Wind Once. Maybe twice. It's, obviously, a better film than the Guest, but it isn't fun to rewatch.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:52 pm to Freauxzen
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Rewatchability is a stupid thing to hang your hat on too....that's different for everyone
Agree w/that for sure. Requiem for a Dream is a great film that I never ever want to see again.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 2:46 pm to Freauxzen
Also, some of this isn't on the studios, it's on audiences. Here's the bx office of the Best Picture winners...
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Look at some of the movies that made over $100m. Terms of Endearment? Rain Man? Shakespeare in Love? DRIVING MISS DAISY?
Can you imagine those films, if release today, making that much money? Hell, Braveheart only made $75m and we tend to think of that as a box office champ. The fact is, audiences are no longer willing to support movies aimed at adults in large enough numbers to make it worthwhile for big studios to make them. So indies fill the gap.
What could be more American? The market is still served, but in a more economical way, and with different benchmarks for success. Shape of Water doesn't need to make $100m to make a profit because Fox made it via Searchlight, which runs a tighter ship and due to its prestige, can get actors and directors to work for less in order to chase awards. So we get good movies at a cheaper price.
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Look at some of the movies that made over $100m. Terms of Endearment? Rain Man? Shakespeare in Love? DRIVING MISS DAISY?
Can you imagine those films, if release today, making that much money? Hell, Braveheart only made $75m and we tend to think of that as a box office champ. The fact is, audiences are no longer willing to support movies aimed at adults in large enough numbers to make it worthwhile for big studios to make them. So indies fill the gap.
What could be more American? The market is still served, but in a more economical way, and with different benchmarks for success. Shape of Water doesn't need to make $100m to make a profit because Fox made it via Searchlight, which runs a tighter ship and due to its prestige, can get actors and directors to work for less in order to chase awards. So we get good movies at a cheaper price.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 9:21 pm to Dale Murphy
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Forest Gump is much better than Pulp Fiction.
They are both pretty awesome in their own ways
Posted on 8/10/18 at 8:07 am to RollTide1987
I don't think it's any coincidence that since that period Paul Bois talks about you've had shows like The Sopranos, Lost, Breaking Bad, Dexter, Justified, Mad Men etc. I've rewatched several of these shows and would do so again before watching most movies over the last 12-15 years again.
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