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The Days of Great Movies Are Gone With the Wind

Posted on 8/8/18 at 9:52 pm
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
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Posted on 8/8/18 at 9:52 pm
From Paul Bois of Daily Wire:

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Once upon a time in Hollywood, a movie could win the Oscar for Best Picture and be culturally popular at the same time. Movies like "Titanic," "Braveheart," "Ben-Hur," "Forest Gump," and "The Godfather" come to mind.

And those are just the winners. Beyond that, there exists a whole archive of popular films that have enjoyed the privilege of simply being nominated for Best Picture, some of which have surpassed the legacies of the victors. "Star Wars" lost to "Annie Hall." "Raiders of the Lost Ark" lost to "Chariots of Fire." "E.T." lost to "Gandhi." "Pulp Fiction" lost to "Forest Gump." The list goes on.



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Let's take a show of hands, shall we? Since 2006, when Scorsese's "The Departed" took home the Oscar for Best Picture, can anyone name a single movie they have repeatedly watched? The kind of movie that holds the attention from start to finish once every few years? I can already guess them: all Christopher Nolan movies and maybe a few from Quentin Tarantino or David Fincher or David O. Russell, all of whom entered the film industry in the early or late-'90s before the industry moved to the franchise business model.

Has anyone actually given a second viewing to Best Picture winners like "The Artist" from 2011? Or "Argo" from 2012? Or "Spotlight" from 2015? What about the movies that lost? "The Theory of Everything," anyone? "Her," anyone? "La La Land," anyone?



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While the Marvel films certainly dazzle the senses for 2-plus hours, few people can argue leaving a Marvel movie with the same emotional elation as they do in a movie like "Raiders of the Lost Ark." An even stronger argument could be made for the "Star Wars" sequels. DC all but destroyed its brand with "Justice League."

What differentiates those movies from that of "The Terminator" or even "The Dark Knight" is they feel less like movies and more like glorified television shows. Bottom line: they just don't build to a meaningful climax. There's no suspense because we already know that Spiderman or Iron Man or Black Panther will overcome their nemesis no matter how great or dire the cliffhanger. Like any television show, we instinctively know that next week's episode will set the universe right again.



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In any classic, you get a sense that the filmmakers carefully crafted something for their audience to enjoy. You get a sense that Spielberg really wanted to make "Jaws" or that James Cameron really wanted to make "Titanic" or that Peter Jackson really wanted to make "Lord of the Rings." No such experience exists with the modern blockbuster.

Is there really any difference in quality between the "Star Wars" sequels, the Marvel movies, and "Jurassic World"? As products of executive committees, they look the same, feel same, and sound the same. Some are indeed slicker and more entertaining than others, but none of them actually rise above a mere amusement park ride.

Movies that tell great stories have now become the minority, outnumbered by two increasingly emboldened camps of filmmaking: shameless commercialism and political propaganda. The blockbusters are the former and the Oscar-bait films are the latter.


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Posted by RLDSC FAN
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Member since Nov 2008
51492 posts
Posted on 8/8/18 at 9:54 pm to
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is they feel less like movies and more like glorified television shows. Bottom line: they just don't build to a meaningful climax. There's no suspense because we already know that Spiderman or Iron Man or Black Panther will overcome their nemesis no matter how great or dire the cliffhanger. Like any television show, we instinctively know that next week's episode will set the universe right again.


Posted by King George
Member since Dec 2013
5356 posts
Posted on 8/8/18 at 9:57 pm to
Can't find a reasonable argument. Dude's right.
Posted by jg8623
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2010
13531 posts
Posted on 8/8/18 at 10:00 pm to
I agree with the guys overall argument that high quality/memorable blockbusters are few and far between these days. Especially agree that they are all almost exactly the same

But I disagree that great and rewatchable movies aren’t made anymore
This post was edited on 8/8/18 at 10:03 pm
Posted by Jack Ruby
Member since Apr 2014
22714 posts
Posted on 8/8/18 at 10:00 pm to
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Movies that tell great stories have now become the minority, outnumbered by two increasingly emboldened camps of filmmaking: shameless commercialism and political propaganda. The blockbusters are the former and the Oscar-bait films are the latter.


What an excellent, simple explanation of everything wrong with the movie industry today, all summed up in two sentences. Hope this writer has good job security, because that final sentence is too honest for that town.
Posted by tigerfan84
Member since Dec 2003
20223 posts
Posted on 8/8/18 at 10:03 pm to
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Since 2006, when Scorsese's "The Departed" took home the Oscar for Best Picture, can anyone name a single movie they have repeatedly watched?


No Country for Old Men
Nightcrawler
Whiplash
Zodiac
TDK, TDKR

eta- The Wrestler

That's about it.
This post was edited on 8/8/18 at 10:50 pm
Posted by RLDSC FAN
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Member since Nov 2008
51492 posts
Posted on 8/8/18 at 10:08 pm to
I've watched Argo and Spotlight several times. Love those films.
Posted by SonicAndBareKnuckles
Member since Jun 2018
1596 posts
Posted on 8/8/18 at 10:10 pm to
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Let's take a show of hands, shall we? Since 2006, when Scorsese's "The Departed" took home the Oscar for Best Picture, can anyone name a single movie they have repeatedly watched? The kind of movie that holds the attention from start to finish once every few years? I can already guess them: all Christopher Nolan movies and maybe a few from Quentin Tarantino or David Fincher or David O. Russell, all of whom entered the film industry in the early or late-'90s before the industry moved to the franchise business model.


No love for Denis Villeneuve? Other than that, the guy’s article is spot on.
This post was edited on 8/8/18 at 10:11 pm
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
35448 posts
Posted on 8/8/18 at 10:10 pm to
It does feel like two extremes these days.

Avengers etc. and then Moonlight.

Where's the middle ground?

What happened to the middle ground?

Where is the Ghandi of today? The Right Stuff? General audience movies that aren't comic-book related?

It seems two extremes. Will I see a cartoon? A comic-book movie? A Pure action movie? Or some small Oscar bait?
This post was edited on 8/8/18 at 10:12 pm
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
Lurking the Tin Foil Hat Board
Member since Jul 2009
47589 posts
Posted on 8/8/18 at 10:10 pm to
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Let's take a show of hands, shall we? Since 2006, when Scorsese's "The Departed" took home the Oscar for Best Picture, can anyone name a single movie they have repeatedly watched?


Off the top of my head:

The Wolf of Wallstreet
Whiplash
The Martian
Fury Road
Hell or High Water
Hacksaw Ridge
Django Unchained
Moneyball
Inception
The Social Network
Inglourious Basterds
No Country for Old Men
Posted by Dale Murphy
God's Country
Member since Feb 2005
24457 posts
Posted on 8/8/18 at 10:18 pm to
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"Star Wars" lost to "Annie Hall." "Raiders of the Lost Ark" lost to "Chariots of Fire." "E.T." lost to "Gandhi." "Pulp Fiction" lost to "Forest Gump."



Forest Gump is much better than Pulp Fiction.
Posted by jg8623
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2010
13531 posts
Posted on 8/8/18 at 10:18 pm to
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Off the top of my head:

The Wolf of Wallstreet
Whiplash
The Martian
Fury Road
Hell or High Water
Hacksaw Ridge
Django Unchained
Moneyball
Inception
The Social Network
Inglourious Basterds
No Country for Old Men


I’ll add:

Sicario
Ex Machina
Arrival
There Will Be Blood
Drive
Three Billboards
La La Land
The Big Short
Zero Dark Thirty
Warrior
Posted by jg8623
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2010
13531 posts
Posted on 8/8/18 at 10:20 pm to
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Forest Gump is much better than Pulp Fiction.



Wrong
This post was edited on 8/8/18 at 10:21 pm
Posted by Rize
Spring Texas
Member since Sep 2011
15755 posts
Posted on 8/8/18 at 10:36 pm to
quote:

Sicario
Ex Machina
Arrival
There Will Be Blood
Drive
Three Billboards
La La Land
The Big Short
Zero Dark Thirty
Warrior



Out of these I haven’t seen:
Drive
Warrior
The big short
La la Land
Ex Machina


I have seen drive, warrior, and Ex Machina mentioned several times on this board so I will be adding them to my list.
Posted by jg8623
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2010
13531 posts
Posted on 8/8/18 at 10:44 pm to
Drive was a very polarizing movie. Not everyone is gonna like it. I was just naming it as a movie I’ve seen more than once
Posted by tigerfan84
Member since Dec 2003
20223 posts
Posted on 8/8/18 at 10:47 pm to
quote:

Forest Gump is much better than Pulp Fiction.


Shawshank is better than both of them
Posted by Muthsera
Member since Jun 2017
7319 posts
Posted on 8/8/18 at 10:54 pm to
The premise is false - there aren't less rewatchable movies now, they were just always few and far between to begin with.

Did people spend a lot of time memorizing all the lines to Kramer vs Kramer, Out of Africa, The Elephant Man? Go to late night costume showings of Midnight Cowboy, Straw Dogs, and Terms of Endearment? Of course they didn't.
Posted by Cap Crunch
Fire Alleva
Member since Dec 2010
54189 posts
Posted on 8/8/18 at 11:06 pm to
quote:

have seen drive, warrior, and Ex Machina mentioned several times on this board so I will be adding them to my list.


Stop what you're doing right now and watch Ex Machina. Its on Netflix now so you don't have an excuse.
Posted by tigerfan84
Member since Dec 2003
20223 posts
Posted on 8/8/18 at 11:58 pm to
Same thing goes for Warrior
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
36012 posts
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:14 am to
I’ve watched Annie Hall and Chariots of Fire as many times as I’ve watched Star Wars and Raiders of the Lost Ark.

This guy is hit and miss at best.
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