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re: The challenge: Spies, lies, allies

Posted on 9/22/21 at 7:36 pm to
Posted by TigerCub
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 7:36 pm to
Who the hell is this Priscilla girl? Has she been on the whole season?
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 7:50 pm to
Josh breaking down in tears as soon as Fessy sits on his bed is hilarious. This is their conversation:

I’m sorry bro.
Bro.
*uncontrollable crying
Bro.
No, bro.
Dude I’m sorry bro.
Bro.
*uncontrollable crying
Bro.
You ruined us bro.
Sorry bro.
Bro.
*uncontrollable crying
Posted by AMS
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 8:13 pm to
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Josh breaking down in tears as soon as Fessy sits on his bed is hilarious. This is their conversation:




yea that was great.Seems like they needed to stretch air time with the crying dude bro convo.

im really still unsure of why esther is mad lol (even before being up for elim). is it me or did they start out making emy absolutely intolerable but now she's not nearly so bad. shes still terrible and weird AF. Just seems like the house / production shifted their tone in presentation of emy.

Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 8:43 pm to
Fessy to Josh: you’re so good at the social game, bro. Say what??

Why is everybody so shocked that Fessy is gone? He put his hands on someone and that hasn’t been allowed in years. And it’s just another thing to frick with Fessy about for not winning anything. TJ telling him he has 15 minutes to get his shite and get the frick out was awesome. And Josh crying was stupid too.

And then TJ flexes on the house and says if they don’t get in there and get to voting, he’s gonna pick that shite.

Tori and Cory get all the credit. I’m not even mad at them. They stirred up shite like everyone does and people couldn’t control themselves. And they got a strong dude sent home.

I don’t like how many people are gunning for Amber these days. And now Kaycee is too. Man, Amber thinks she’s in an alliance where nobody in it is on her side (except barely Josh).

I watch this show with subtitles on, and it’s hilarious how wrong they are with what all Esther says.

Berna can’t be shocked that people want CT. He’s far and away the best player in the game. I kinda can’t stand her.

Priscilla is pretty. Too bad she’s never on screen.

I can’t believe they lined this hall brawl (basically what it is) with chain link fence. That seems like a great way to get a broken finger or hand.

Every time Nelson speaks it feels like he is concentrating so hard to speak slowly and put complete sentences together. He sounds like someone trying way too hard to sound intelligent (which is what he’s doing).

Esther talking shite and “coming for” Amber. Amber would roll that chick in almost anything. And why is she acting like she was “wronged”? Nobody fricked her over. She should be mad at Fessy.
This post was edited on 9/22/21 at 8:46 pm
Posted by SPEEDY
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 10:01 pm to
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I don’t like how many people are gunning for Amber these days.


I don’t get it either. After her performance in last season’s final, I figured guys would be doing anything they could to get her as a partner. Yet they aren’t. Doesn’t make sense. They need to put some respect on Amber’s name

And Amber gets finer and finer each episode.

This post was edited on 9/22/21 at 10:03 pm
Posted by BayouCatFan
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 10:02 pm to
I think its very obvious Josh has a very good social game, but it gets lost because he is horrible at anything physical. He is almost always involved heavily in leading the house vote. The Big Brother alliance has been standing out in recent seasons and he is probably the guiding force in that. Its not Fessy or Kacey have the sense to get the house to go along with them, so it has to be Josh. The females in the house all seem to like him as friends.

Nelson has to be on the spectrum.

Bettina is very attractive. According to Amanda she was giving Fessy blowjobs.

Hopefully we never see all the Nigerians again. They bring nothing to the show and every week another one pops up where I ask myself who the hell is that.

Is Amber really that bad or is everyone just pissed/jealous she won last season?

Posted by Jack Ruby
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Posted on 9/23/21 at 1:51 am to
Anybody else having a real hard time making it through this season? I can barely make it. This episode is the only recent one I didn't even have to FF through most of it.

Also, can someone please tell me how the hell Josh won Big Brother?? He has the sloppiest social game I've ever seen for a main character type in this show.

Wonder how long Fessy will be gone for? They really need him in the cast because of how lacking they have become. He's an idiot, but without guys like John and Wes, etc, the game and show pretty much centers aroumd him and his crew, especially since he comes in every season with 4-6 man alliance now.

I also find it hilarious how good CT is at this game. The vets are just letting the wolf walk right into the henhouse.

He's going to cruise to another final and probably never see an elimination all season. And without Fessy now in the game (who probably would have angled to get him out late in the show), no one else will have the balls to throw him in, even if they have the numbers.

It's kind of amazing, actually, how under the radar he has played the game over the past few years and excelled in an era when it is supposedly harder to get to and win finals.

Back in the day, at least he got thrown into eliminations a lot, often against pretty great opponents. Now, everyone is just scared or him... Still.
Posted by BayouCatFan
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Posted on 9/23/21 at 8:15 am to
Josh won Big Brother by doing what he does on the Challenge. Was a member of a strong alliance and played a good social game. He cried a lot and banged pans together to create drama, but for some reason the other house guests liked him and he orchestrated some big moves. When it came time for the jury to vote they liked him a lot more than Paul, who had clearly played a better strategic game.
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 9/23/21 at 8:24 am to
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I think its very obvious Josh has a very good social game

I disagree completely. His social game is trash. It consists of him trying to make deals and do side conversations with people to benefit his alliance and himself. He's just not as openly selfish about it as someone like Fessy is.

And he is way, way, WAY too emotional to have a "good social game." When you can set him off in half a second to the point where he is bawling like a bitch and trying to fight everyone, then that's a very weak social game. Not to mention he often gets manipulated by everyone, including his peers in his "alliance."

And most people just think he's an emotional weirdo to boot. I have no idea why you think it's "obvious" he has a good social game.
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Bettina is very attractive. According to Amanda she was giving Fessy blowjobs.

Doesn't she have kinda weird lips? I go back and forth on if she's hot or not. And aren't Amanda and Fessy kind of a thing? So was Amanda getting with Fessy and all the while he was getting beejed up by Bettina?

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Is Amber really that bad or is everyone just pissed/jealous she won last season?

It has to be that IMO. And last season she pulled some shady shite against her "friend" or whatever, so I'm sure people remember that. But all in all she played the game well and definitely earned her trip to the finals, and capped it off with a stellar performance there too. I think people mainly hate her because she goes around with the "Woe is me" crap, and if that's what she does all the time, then I can understand that. That would annoy the shite out of me too. But some of the shite she complains about is legit and reasonable too. And there's a difference between "Amber is annoying" and "I am gunning for that bitch." And most people seem to fall into the latter, which I don't get.


And we also have a serial downvoter in the thread. How cute.
This post was edited on 9/23/21 at 8:29 am
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 9/23/21 at 8:35 am to
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I also find it hilarious how good CT is at this game. The vets are just letting the wolf walk right into the henhouse.

He's going to cruise to another final and probably never see an elimination all season. And without Fessy now in the game (who probably would have angled to get him out late in the show), no one else will have the balls to throw him in, even if they have the numbers.

It's kind of amazing, actually, how under the radar he has played the game over the past few years and excelled in an era when it is supposedly harder to get to and win finals.

I thought about this last night as well. He's just sitting back and letting the house eliminate itself. And the best thing he has going for him is that over the last few years he's gotten infinitely better at puzzles and that kind of shite. So it's not like he's some big, dumb jock idiot like he used to be (or at least his character was portrayed). Now he is actually smart and good at brainy-type stuff. And since he's always been athletic and bigger than most, he's now physically and mentally better than almost everyone there and his social game is on point because he's the old, wise challenger now (and doesn't get caught up in relationships or trying to get laid like so many others do). He basically doesn't really have any weaknesses in his game at all.

And I also love how calm he is nowadays. He's grown up now, and just sits back and watches the children play. 10-12 years ago old CT would've WRECKED someone for eating his pizza or looking at him sideways, for example.
Posted by TotesMcGotes
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Posted on 9/23/21 at 9:30 am to
Nelson has to have the most embarrassing confessional/floating head segments of anyone in the history of this show.
Posted by BilJ
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Posted on 9/23/21 at 9:58 am to
yeah they keep calling her fake but to far she's gotten mad about fessy stabbing her in the back and getting a drink thrown in her face...so I'd say most of it is because she won in year one and is hot.

why was she a replacement and not in the original cast though? I wonder if she held out for more appearance money and then got it once they needed her. Maybe that pissed off the other cast?
Posted by AMS
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Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:25 am to
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why was she a replacement and not in the original cast though? I wonder if she held out for more appearance money and then got it once they needed her. Maybe that pissed off the other cast?


I think they usually fly a couple extra contestants out for alternates because every season there are random disqualifications for fighting or quitters. They probably planned to use amber as a new challenger surprise shakeup from the beginning.

Posted by Jack Ruby
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 9/23/21 at 11:47 am to
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10-12 years ago old CT would've WRECKED someone for eating his pizza or looking at him sideways, for example


I think the nightly Jack Daniel's and cocaine binges, mixed with roid rage, were probably the main culprit for much of his past behavior. But, to your point, even when he was sober back in the day, he still had that wildcard, loose cannon edge to him always.

I mean now, it's obvious he's just in a strictly business approach and doing it for the money, but he's so wise in the gameplay, that is like stealing at this point.

It also amazes me how a guy with his past on the show, including knocking out a gay kid in his sleep, is now this perrenial personality who is doing f-ing mental health PSAs on MTV, yet it almost seems like John and Wes and others are now kind of shut out from casting.
Posted by rockchlkjayhku11
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Posted on 9/23/21 at 11:57 am to
he's unreal these past few seasons. what is the house's option? almost literally everyone would have to agree to just send him into elimination until he loses. and people dont want to do that because...they might be the ones in the elimination!

if anyone disagrees or you get a small group not wanting to send CT in, it won't be worth it to stick your neck out. now you're the player or alliance that is making the play to get CT out? you're fricked.

you're just damned if you do and damned if you don't with CT right now. with all that said, the vets should definitely just send him in against rookies every week and make him win like 7 straight eliminations but they are too scared that he'd get power and put them against each other.
Posted by LSUBoo
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Posted on 9/23/21 at 12:07 pm to
The only option they have is to handicap CT with an anchor of a partner in the finals, and I am not sure who that would be among the women remaining.
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 9/23/21 at 1:47 pm to
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It also amazes me how a guy with his past on the show, including knocking out a gay kid in his sleep, is now this perrenial personality who is doing f-ing mental health PSAs on MTV, yet it almost seems like John and Wes and others are now kind of shut out from casting.


Yeah, it's quite a transformation honestly. And good for him. But it's definitely weird considering the stance MTV has taken in recent times with their woke suspensions and outright firings of people (Jordan, Natalie, etc.) who have done questionable things in the past.

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if anyone disagrees or you get a small group not wanting to send CT in, it won't be worth it to stick your neck out. now you're the player or alliance that is making the play to get CT out? you're fricked.

you're just damned if you do and damned if you don't with CT right now. with all that said, the vets should definitely just send him in against rookies every week and make him win like 7 straight eliminations but they are too scared that he'd get power and put them against each other.

Yup. And another problem is that as long as CT is paired up with any sort of decent girl, he has a legit chance to win every challenge. So if you take your shot and miss, he could very well have all the power the following challenge (especially considering that if he wins an elimination he can choose any girl he wants).

I do wish this season had somebody on that could challenge the game socially and strategically though. Like someone who has the foresight to think through a plan to get rid of people like CT and Fessy, and who would have the balls to actually do it. Someone like John or Wes, or even Jemmye (she always played a good strategic game and seemed to have a better grasp of it than most of her peers, and she didn't give a frick).
Posted by Cash
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Posted on 9/23/21 at 3:39 pm to
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Was a member of a strong alliance and played a good social game. He cried a lot and banged pans together to create drama, but for some reason the other house guests liked him and he orchestrated some big moves. When it came time for the jury to vote they liked him a lot more than Paul, who had clearly played a better strategic game.


My opinion is Paul basically ran the entire season and took Josh to end thinking he was a layup. The jury voted for Josh just to spite Paul.
Posted by BayouCatFan
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 9/23/21 at 4:17 pm to
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And aren't Amanda and Fessy kind of a thing? So was Amanda getting with Fessy and all the while he was getting beejed up by Bettina?



According to Amanda, Fessy was banging her, Michelle and getting bjs all at the same time. The guy is a fraud. He was trying to present himself as a good Muslim by fasting during Ramadan yet he completely ignored their rule of abstaining from sex.


Posted by AMS
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Posted on 9/23/21 at 5:44 pm to
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The only option they have is to handicap CT with an anchor of a partner in the finals, and I am not sure who that would be among the women remaining.



they could handicap him with a combo of game format how elimination noms work and twists like needing to win elims and get a skull to go to the final. like in double agents im not sure CT would have gotten a skull if he didnt have the option to send himself in. im not super interested in having such specific handicaps for a season, Id rather CT just continue to dominate.

CT is stacked. girls dont want CT out because they can win finals with him. Guys are scared to vote him in an elim, because they are screwed next elim. Even if you did get him into an elim CT has like a 96% chance of coming back. CT would only lose at things like fitting in a small space or a coin flip.
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