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re: The Case Against Adnan Syed - HBO-Posted by Rou Leed on 3/18/19 at 10:12 pm to 13SaintTiger
These people say you were transporting a dead body in a car all day. What were you doing that day? "At this point I have seen so many different timelines and testimonies, I honestly dont know". Ok. Go try to remember in this jail cell.
re: The Case Against Adnan Syed - HBO-Posted by ShamelessPel on 3/19/19 at 7:06 pm to Rou Leed
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Adnan did this. This whole genre of innocent wronged guy documentary/podcast is on its last leg.
Yeah man it’s certainly a terrible thing for people to be looking into potential wrongful convictions and causing decisions to be made in the system. At least people learn new things from the true crime genre instead of just shutting their brain off and discuss important topics like our justice system whether you agree with the other person or not. Civil discussion is never an evil entity if people can stay calm and rational. I very much welcome discussions like this where people aren’t screaming RIGHT or LEFT and hope to learn something myself from them.
re: The Case Against Adnan Syed - HBO-Posted by ShamelessPel on 3/19/19 at 7:08 pm to JBeam
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The cops did not see Hae's car prior to Jay leading them to it.
where is this idea that Jay was led to the car by police coming from? I just listened to the podcast weeks ago, and this idea popping up totally caught me by surprise. Some of them were late night sessions so I coulda missed something, but this idea popping up on here not only didn’t ring a bell...it was completely foreign to me as a concept.
re: The Case Against Adnan Syed - HBO-Posted by Tiger Voodoo on 3/19/19 at 7:26 pm to ShamelessPel
The first I saw of it was medtiger’s post toward the bottom of page 2 about a podcast.
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That's where the other podcast comes into play. Now, I think it's a bit of a stretch, but there is enough there to make it seem plausible, at least to me. They basically insinuate that the cops were on to Jay as a suspect, brought him in for drugs or whatever other minor crimes he was committing, and started questioning him. There is evidence in the audio recordings of his interviews that he was being fed information (he would say the wrong thing, then stop, back up and say something else completely...listen to it if you haven't yet). They go on to say they believe the cops found Hae's car then brought Jay to it and had him brought back in to tell them where it was on the recordings. Again, far fetched, I know; but not completely unreasonable. I don't think Jay did it either, but I think he was threatened with significant jail time if he didn't agree to pin it on Adnan.
re: The Case Against Adnan Syed - HBO-Posted by ShamelessPel on 3/19/19 at 7:33 pm to Tiger Voodoo
Oh the “other podcast” sounds like he’s referring to a podcast that’s not Serial.
I woulda been a little bummed if I’d found out Koenig and Serial were the ones populating that theory. One of my favorite aspects of Serial is how honest and straightforward she and Emmanuel are, in favor or against whatever theyre looking at. I also like that she admits some of these people are charismatic and make you take an effort to step. That acknowledgment goes a long way with me, because it shows they’re evaluating their own emotional position as they go.
At least she’s not pandering like so many true crime pods do.
I woulda been a little bummed if I’d found out Koenig and Serial were the ones populating that theory. One of my favorite aspects of Serial is how honest and straightforward she and Emmanuel are, in favor or against whatever theyre looking at. I also like that she admits some of these people are charismatic and make you take an effort to step. That acknowledgment goes a long way with me, because it shows they’re evaluating their own emotional position as they go.
At least she’s not pandering like so many true crime pods do.
This post was edited on 3/19 at 7:37 pm
re: The Case Against Adnan Syed - HBO-Posted by rstamp1 on 3/19/19 at 7:51 pm to ShamelessPel
The undisclosed podcast is a follow up to serial but Rabia Chaudry and her people are biased. After listening to everything I believe he did it but the state’s timeline is screwed up. If you do believe the undisclosed podcast it is amazing how the witnesses are so far off on their dates of events ie the wrestling meet.
This post was edited on 3/19 at 7:55 pm
re: The Case Against Adnan Syed - HBO-Posted by landrywasbeast30 on 3/19/19 at 8:00 pm to JBeam
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2. Don's timecards were not fabricated.
Was listening to Truth and Justice pod and this is flat out bullshite. Whoever investigated this is not good at their job.
re: The Case Against Adnan Syed - HBO-Posted by landrywasbeast30 on 3/19/19 at 8:17 pm to MidnightVibe
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I can't stress this enough. There are two people who could have done this: 1. Adnan Syed 2. Jay Wilds
I mean this just isn’t anything close to the truth.
The Undislosed pod had a girl who went to school with all these people and is part of the story. They hit on something that made a whole lot of sense. The time of the call to Jay line’s up with the time it would have been if Adnan waited to call Jay after the buses left. And the school had a payphone, which I think was a problem with the Best Buy supposed call location. If you think about it, it’s the simplest explanation, and makes the most sense.
re: The Case Against Adnan Syed - HBO-Posted by landrywasbeast30 on 3/19/19 at 8:21 pm to rstamp1
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The undisclosed podcast is a follow up to serial but Rabia Chaudry and her people are biased
Colon and Susan had no ties to Adnan. They did way better, more meaningful work on the case than Rabia.
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re: The Case Against Adnan Syed - HBO-Posted by JBeam on 3/19/19 at 9:23 pm to landrywasbeast30
What are you talking about? This theory has floated around the Internet for some time now because Don’s mother was a manager at one of the LensCrafters in the area.
re: The Case Against Adnan Syed - HBO-Posted by TH03 on 3/19/19 at 9:59 pm to landrywasbeast30
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Colon and Susan had no ties to Adnan
Susan was more biased than Rabia if we're being honest.
re: The Case Against Adnan Syed - HBO-Posted by ShamelessPel on 3/19/19 at 10:05 pm to JBeam
I don’t really have a strong opinion on whether he did it or not, I would guess yes if there was a gun to my head.
I definitely don’t think the states timeline established was how it happened, and the defense for Adnan should have been able to completely obliterate their theory on how it happened. I’m not emotionally invested in Adnan’s/Avery’s outcome like I am with Brendan Dassey. The Brendan Dassey case and him rotting in prison by investigators basically railroading/taking advantage of a very low IQ, borderline retarded, 16 year old just makes my fricking blood boil.
I can rudimentally understand the thought process of most police though not empathize with them. Like someone who’s done tours in the military, I think it’s damn near impossible to truly understand that frame of mind without being in that scenario, and LE vs impoverished areas is basically a war zone with many shared similarities.
What those detectives did though is fricking inexcusable. They intentionally stole a kids life from him in order to make their case against Avery.
I definitely don’t think the states timeline established was how it happened, and the defense for Adnan should have been able to completely obliterate their theory on how it happened. I’m not emotionally invested in Adnan’s/Avery’s outcome like I am with Brendan Dassey. The Brendan Dassey case and him rotting in prison by investigators basically railroading/taking advantage of a very low IQ, borderline retarded, 16 year old just makes my fricking blood boil.
I can rudimentally understand the thought process of most police though not empathize with them. Like someone who’s done tours in the military, I think it’s damn near impossible to truly understand that frame of mind without being in that scenario, and LE vs impoverished areas is basically a war zone with many shared similarities.
What those detectives did though is fricking inexcusable. They intentionally stole a kids life from him in order to make their case against Avery.
This post was edited on 3/19 at 10:24 pm
re: The Case Against Adnan Syed - HBO-Posted by Tiger Voodoo on 3/20/19 at 12:13 am to ShamelessPel
Just caught up on the latest episode and holy shite Jay should sue the frick out of everyone involved in these productions
My goodness these people are just slaughtering him basically painting him as the murderer just to sell their show about a supposedly wrongfully convicted “good guy and straight A student” because of this vast conspiracy by the police department.
I find it funny that so many people find it outrageous that Jay’s account on many of the details of that day has changed but find no issue with Adnan having no recollection whatsoever about the day. The standards regarding memory are quite different for the two of them.
Just curious, how do you know what the state’s timeline supposedly was?
Because of what Serial and this HBO doc tell you it was?
I’ve beaten this death, I know, but unless one has read the transcripts we are getting information from one side with a bias at best and an agenda at worst.
The bottom line is the “timeline” for a case like this is much simpler than what is being presented.
They don’t have to have events pinned down to exact minutes.
Asia supposedly saw Adnan until 240. Jay got the call to pick him up, witnessed by Jen, at 340. Dropped him off at track practice by 4. Got the call from police in the presence of Jay and the other girl around 6.
Very little of this is exact, and the there is plenty of time for everything to happen the way it would theoretically have gone down.
Cell records, which are exact (time wise), confirm the phone in the area of Leakin Park that evening.
Jay leads police to the car, corroborating his part of the story.
It’s much simpler than these productions are trying to make it out to be by muddying the waters by detailing all of Jay’s arrests , dragging in some old girlfriend (clearly a stand up citizen herself) to say Jay was crazy, that the grass appeared greener from one photo of the car (that some random old lady swears would have been reported immediately if it was there ), that Jay listened to Eminem , that the guy that found the body wasn’t out there to take a piss (WGAF???) and that some other random dude (who also appears to be citizen of the year) wouldn’t ride in a car with Jay cause he snitches (yet also corroborated that Jay told him about Adnan doing this long before the police contacted him ).
They go to great lengths to show that the police fed Jay all of this information yet three people that they focus much of their production on completely blow up that ridiculous idea because Jay told them things about the crime weeks before police even knew about him. It’s absurd and more transparent the more you watch it if you have any ability to keep the threads they are trying to weave separate.
They just throw as much shite against the wall hoping to take your eyes off of the fact that a girl that Jay barely knew was murdered on a day that her former boyfriend admittedly lent him his car and phone and called him for rides throughout the day and phone records confirm they were together throughout the day and evening and Jay later leads the police to her car.
That is the circumstantial bones of the case and Jay’s testimony which is corroborated in part by two other witnesses and cell phone records is absolutely more than enough for any competent prosecutor to build a case upon it over a six week trial (impossible for these productions to include the full body of evidence presented by the state in just a few hours, even if they intended to be fair, which these productions rarely do (no one wants to listen to 10 hours of a podcast to hear at the end yeah looks like he probably did it)).
This is actually a pretty straight forward case despite how desperately this infatuated Rabia and fame seeking Koenig want it to be some great unsolved mystery, which is why the jury took only a couple of hours to convict
My goodness these people are just slaughtering him basically painting him as the murderer just to sell their show about a supposedly wrongfully convicted “good guy and straight A student” because of this vast conspiracy by the police department.
I find it funny that so many people find it outrageous that Jay’s account on many of the details of that day has changed but find no issue with Adnan having no recollection whatsoever about the day. The standards regarding memory are quite different for the two of them.
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I definitely don’t think the states timeline established was how it happened
Just curious, how do you know what the state’s timeline supposedly was?
Because of what Serial and this HBO doc tell you it was?
I’ve beaten this death, I know, but unless one has read the transcripts we are getting information from one side with a bias at best and an agenda at worst.
The bottom line is the “timeline” for a case like this is much simpler than what is being presented.
They don’t have to have events pinned down to exact minutes.
Asia supposedly saw Adnan until 240. Jay got the call to pick him up, witnessed by Jen, at 340. Dropped him off at track practice by 4. Got the call from police in the presence of Jay and the other girl around 6.
Very little of this is exact, and the there is plenty of time for everything to happen the way it would theoretically have gone down.
Cell records, which are exact (time wise), confirm the phone in the area of Leakin Park that evening.
Jay leads police to the car, corroborating his part of the story.
It’s much simpler than these productions are trying to make it out to be by muddying the waters by detailing all of Jay’s arrests , dragging in some old girlfriend (clearly a stand up citizen herself) to say Jay was crazy, that the grass appeared greener from one photo of the car (that some random old lady swears would have been reported immediately if it was there ), that Jay listened to Eminem , that the guy that found the body wasn’t out there to take a piss (WGAF???) and that some other random dude (who also appears to be citizen of the year) wouldn’t ride in a car with Jay cause he snitches (yet also corroborated that Jay told him about Adnan doing this long before the police contacted him ).
They go to great lengths to show that the police fed Jay all of this information yet three people that they focus much of their production on completely blow up that ridiculous idea because Jay told them things about the crime weeks before police even knew about him. It’s absurd and more transparent the more you watch it if you have any ability to keep the threads they are trying to weave separate.
They just throw as much shite against the wall hoping to take your eyes off of the fact that a girl that Jay barely knew was murdered on a day that her former boyfriend admittedly lent him his car and phone and called him for rides throughout the day and phone records confirm they were together throughout the day and evening and Jay later leads the police to her car.
That is the circumstantial bones of the case and Jay’s testimony which is corroborated in part by two other witnesses and cell phone records is absolutely more than enough for any competent prosecutor to build a case upon it over a six week trial (impossible for these productions to include the full body of evidence presented by the state in just a few hours, even if they intended to be fair, which these productions rarely do (no one wants to listen to 10 hours of a podcast to hear at the end yeah looks like he probably did it)).
This is actually a pretty straight forward case despite how desperately this infatuated Rabia and fame seeking Koenig want it to be some great unsolved mystery, which is why the jury took only a couple of hours to convict
This post was edited on 3/20 at 12:31 am
re: The Case Against Adnan Syed - HBO-Posted by ShamelessPel on 3/20/19 at 1:44 am to Tiger Voodoo
Yes and the flip side to your argument is the supposed alibi (well 3 alibis allegedly) that puts Adnan in the library at that time wasn’t even talked to by his attorney. I don’t care about the mock drive they did etc. that’s absurd we never even got a definitive answer on the validity of that alibi.
I also think you’re giving WAY too much credit to Jay. Again, here’s a guy who helped bury the body, dump the car, burned his clothes from that night, and admitted going back to the dumpsters to wipe the shovels...Who can’t keep his story straight. I don’t trust Adnan, but you seem to really trust Jay, and I don’t get it honestly.
And like they said at the beginning of the season on Serial, can you remember anything that happened 6 weeks ago? I sure as bell couldn’t tell you any details from 2-3 weeks ago if you asked me what happened that day, when I took my lunch break at work, if any problems occurred at work, if somebody wasn’t there, etc...( I realize I’m 32 and Adnan is 17 ). I don’t think Adnan not remembering the day is altogether suspicious by itself, though my doubts really creep in that he didn’t register memories from a day his ex went missing and he got a call from the cops. Though again, if he was truly innocent, I don’t find that a suspicious happening. If he’s innocent worried about her and freaking out, I doubt he starts cataloging his day at that point.
Again, I’m not proclaiming innocence, and honestly neither did Koenig who admitted that as well. There’s plenty of smoke there. There’s probably fire. But Jay recounting a story, knowing full well he buried a dead girl at minimum that day, that can’t stay dead consistent seems really sketchy to me. Those changing answers make it feel like Jay is saying a rehearsed story to me and those little details start to pile up if he’s making parts out of it up.
That’s the type of thing that imprints in your head, and you better believe if he was telling the truth, he shouldn’t be having little inconsistencies. If innocent, he should have his story down to a friggin T so he can clear himself of actually killing her. I can remember most of the evening in detail of the night my freshman intramural flag football team barely lost to the defending champs. That was 13 years ago...and my details would not start changing. I can give you a run down of my first day in England in 2014 to see Linkin Park at download. My details would not change. This whole “only a bunch of small details changed” nonsense reeks of bullshite. Oh yeah, and if someone showed me a dead body of someone I was acquainted with that they just murdered, there is absolutely, positively, no way in hell I would ever mix that up. So unless Jay’s used to seeing dead bodies for some reason, this should have been a big moment in his life.
I also think you’re giving WAY too much credit to Jay. Again, here’s a guy who helped bury the body, dump the car, burned his clothes from that night, and admitted going back to the dumpsters to wipe the shovels...Who can’t keep his story straight. I don’t trust Adnan, but you seem to really trust Jay, and I don’t get it honestly.
And like they said at the beginning of the season on Serial, can you remember anything that happened 6 weeks ago? I sure as bell couldn’t tell you any details from 2-3 weeks ago if you asked me what happened that day, when I took my lunch break at work, if any problems occurred at work, if somebody wasn’t there, etc...( I realize I’m 32 and Adnan is 17 ). I don’t think Adnan not remembering the day is altogether suspicious by itself, though my doubts really creep in that he didn’t register memories from a day his ex went missing and he got a call from the cops. Though again, if he was truly innocent, I don’t find that a suspicious happening. If he’s innocent worried about her and freaking out, I doubt he starts cataloging his day at that point.
Again, I’m not proclaiming innocence, and honestly neither did Koenig who admitted that as well. There’s plenty of smoke there. There’s probably fire. But Jay recounting a story, knowing full well he buried a dead girl at minimum that day, that can’t stay dead consistent seems really sketchy to me. Those changing answers make it feel like Jay is saying a rehearsed story to me and those little details start to pile up if he’s making parts out of it up.
That’s the type of thing that imprints in your head, and you better believe if he was telling the truth, he shouldn’t be having little inconsistencies. If innocent, he should have his story down to a friggin T so he can clear himself of actually killing her. I can remember most of the evening in detail of the night my freshman intramural flag football team barely lost to the defending champs. That was 13 years ago...and my details would not start changing. I can give you a run down of my first day in England in 2014 to see Linkin Park at download. My details would not change. This whole “only a bunch of small details changed” nonsense reeks of bullshite. Oh yeah, and if someone showed me a dead body of someone I was acquainted with that they just murdered, there is absolutely, positively, no way in hell I would ever mix that up. So unless Jay’s used to seeing dead bodies for some reason, this should have been a big moment in his life.
Listened to Serial S1 probably 3 or 4 times... once on my own and about 3 other times in the car with others.
No doubt in my mind that he did it. I get the “was it beyond reasonable doubt” argument... and I kind of go back and forth. Had I been in the jury, he would have been found guilty. It really wasn’t all that complicated a case. Serial did a good job telling the story, but they told it so good it really unintentionally sensationalized it and caused too many people to over analyze stuff. To me, it was a very straight-forward case...body, clear motive, witness/accomplice confession, cell phone records fit.. I don’t need to see a video of him strangling her, I’ve got a brain
Oh, one more thought....if he didn’t do it, then Adnon is the only one in the world that would know with 100% certainty that Jay is lying through his teeth and would therefore know Jay is the killer... the fact that he wasn’t screaming from the rooftops “jay did this! Jay did this! Jay did this! Did you hear me? Jay did this!” Kind of said a lot to me.
Adnan was pretty casual for the most part about Jay....”uhhhh, I just don’t know why he’d say that, you’d have to ask him.”
I can’t remember the specifics, but I also remember finding it odd that he didn’t call her anymore after the night she went missing
And there was something else about what he did or didn’t tell the police that first day when they called him about her, but I can’t remmeber exactly what it was but I remember it being very suspicious... ride home maybe?
Jay very well have been more guilty than “along for the ride” and help bury body, but regardless Adnan killed that girl, so I’m good with him being in jail. Actually the more I think about it, I have no reasonable doubt that he killed her, and think it’s a bit ridiculous that a podcast nearly helped him get off because they told a good story and he’s a fairly well-Spoken and likeable for a convicted murderer.
No doubt in my mind that he did it. I get the “was it beyond reasonable doubt” argument... and I kind of go back and forth. Had I been in the jury, he would have been found guilty. It really wasn’t all that complicated a case. Serial did a good job telling the story, but they told it so good it really unintentionally sensationalized it and caused too many people to over analyze stuff. To me, it was a very straight-forward case...body, clear motive, witness/accomplice confession, cell phone records fit.. I don’t need to see a video of him strangling her, I’ve got a brain
Oh, one more thought....if he didn’t do it, then Adnon is the only one in the world that would know with 100% certainty that Jay is lying through his teeth and would therefore know Jay is the killer... the fact that he wasn’t screaming from the rooftops “jay did this! Jay did this! Jay did this! Did you hear me? Jay did this!” Kind of said a lot to me.
Adnan was pretty casual for the most part about Jay....”uhhhh, I just don’t know why he’d say that, you’d have to ask him.”
I can’t remember the specifics, but I also remember finding it odd that he didn’t call her anymore after the night she went missing
And there was something else about what he did or didn’t tell the police that first day when they called him about her, but I can’t remmeber exactly what it was but I remember it being very suspicious... ride home maybe?
Jay very well have been more guilty than “along for the ride” and help bury body, but regardless Adnan killed that girl, so I’m good with him being in jail. Actually the more I think about it, I have no reasonable doubt that he killed her, and think it’s a bit ridiculous that a podcast nearly helped him get off because they told a good story and he’s a fairly well-Spoken and likeable for a convicted murderer.
This post was edited on 3/20 at 2:25 am
re: The Case Against Adnan Syed - HBO-Posted by 13SaintTiger on 3/20/19 at 5:16 am to Tiger Voodoo
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Just caught up on the latest episode and holy shite Jay should sue the frick out of everyone involved in these productions
My goodness these people are just slaughtering him basically painting him as the murderer just to sell their show about a supposedly wrongfully convicted “good guy and straight A student” because of this vast conspiracy by the police department.
He can’t sue because he isn’t innocent
re: The Case Against Adnan Syed - HBO-Posted by 13SaintTiger on 3/20/19 at 5:20 am to JPLSU1981
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I kind of go back and forth.
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Had I been in the jury, he would have been found guilty
Have you ever been on a jury?
re: The Case Against Adnan Syed - HBO-Posted by Tiger Voodoo on 3/20/19 at 6:49 am to ShamelessPel
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flip side to your argument is the supposed alibi (well 3 alibis allegedly) that puts Adnan in the library at that time wasn’t even talked to by his attorney.
First off, who are the “3 alibis”? Other than Asia, who else is there?
And like I said, even if her story is true, it doesn’t change anything. She claims she left Adnan at the public library at 240. Adnan calls Jay at 340. There is still an hour where he is unaccounted for where the murder could have taken place.
This idea put forth by Serial and HBO that the murder HAD TO have occurred at 230 so her testimony would have proven he couldn’t have done it is CSI bullshite.
No coroner can pinpoint a time of death to the exact minute, so hammering the 230 time of death into their viewers/listeners heads is absolutely disingenuous and makes me question every other piece of information they put out there.
I previously posted an excerpt from the opinion where the judge speculated that calling Asia may have actually hurt the defense’s theory that Adnan never left school that day, which is why it was ultimately found that defense counsel’s failure to investigate her claim was ineffective assistance of counsel but that it didn’t rise to the level of being prejudicial.
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I also think you’re giving WAY too much credit to Jay. Again, here’s a guy who helped bury the body, dump the car, burned his clothes from that night, and admitted going back to the dumpsters to wipe the shovels...Who can’t keep his story straight. I don’t trust Adnan, but you seem to really trust Jay, and I don’t get it honestly.
Well like you said, he was clearly a part of the events of that day. It’s corroborated by him knowing details like the location of Hae’s car (unless you subscribe to the absurd vast police conspiracy theory, that he continues to protect to this day for absolutely no reason at all). Unlike Adnan, Jay actually does have an alibi, as he was smoking weed with Jen until Adnan called him to be picked up, which Adnan himself confirms.
There is further corroboration when Jens friend says Adnan and Jay show up at her house that evening, a time Adnan claims he wasn’t even with Jay anymore, and gets the call from the police.
As for not “keeping his story straight”, you are buying the producers’ narrative hook line and sinker. Jay didn’t want to cooperate with police, which explains why his earlier statements were vague and was weary he may be prosecuted for his drug dealing, which is why he admitted to lying about where he saw the body, to protect his grandmother.
For some of the other details, has it ever occurred to anyone that the vast amounts of marijuana he smoked that day, which is confirmed by both Jen and Adnan, has made it more difficult to remember some of the details?
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I don’t think Adnan not remembering the day is altogether suspicious by itself, though my doubts really creep in that he didn’t register memories from a day his ex went missing and he got a call from the cops. Though again, if he was truly innocent, I don’t find that a suspicious happening. If he’s innocent worried about her and freaking out, I doubt he starts cataloging his day at that point.
You don’t believe this.
All of Hae’s friends that they interview remember what they were doing that day and when they first heard she was missing.
And it isn’t even “the day”. Adnan got the call around 6 pm. At that moment all he had to do was recall the previous 3-4 hours since the time he left school and the time his phone rang.
He would have fricking known exactly where he had been and his insistence to this day that he just doesn’t know isn’t only suspicious, it’s weird, not believable, and damning.
As had also been argued as nauseum, Adnan NEVER EVEN CALLED HAE. Not right after the police called him, not the next day when she still hadn’t shown up, not a week or a month later. It’s because he knew she wasn’t going to answer and the fact that Rabia and these producers have fooled so many into thinking otherwise is just disheartening.
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But Jay recounting a story, knowing full well he buried a dead girl at minimum that day, that can’t stay dead consistent seems really sketchy to me. Those changing answers make it feel like Jay is saying a rehearsed story to me and those little details start to pile up if he’s making parts out of it up.
That isn’t an unreasonable position.
But the only argument there that I see is that Jay participated with Adnan to a greater degree, which I won’t even bother to argue against, other than to question what his motive would have been, as he had virtually no connection to Hae.
But even if he did, the injustice shifts to an accomplice being free when he should be rotting next to Adnan, not this tale of woe that poor straight A nice guy is in prison for a crime he didn’t commit.
One sells, the other, not so much.
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This whole “only a bunch of small details changed” nonsense reeks of bullshite. Oh yeah, and if someone showed me a dead body of someone I was acquainted with that they just murdered, there is absolutely, positively, no way in hell I would ever mix that up. So unless Jay’s used to seeing dead bodies for some reason, this should have been a big moment in his life.
Again, Jay admitted he wasn’t fully honest with police to begin with. He was very cautious about opening up and didn’t fully cooperate until he was assured he wouldn’t be prosecuted for any drug crimes.
He was also apparently high as shite.
And as has been talked about in regards to Adnan and his strangely calm demeanor despite being locked up for a crime he insists he knows nothing about, the same applies to Jay and his memories imo.
Don’t assume to know how you or your mind would react if all of a sudden you’re staring at a dead body and being asked to help dispose of it.
Just because you recall vividly some concert years ago doesn’t mean you understand the type of mental trauma that is associated with what allegedly went down that night or that your mental recall would be as clear.
Jay’s story is corroborated in part by physical evidence, live witnesses, cell phone records, and Adnan himself. A jury that heard the complete trial and all the evidence admitted convicted Adnan unanimously in two hours.
That the producers have not only muddied the waters to the extent they have to so many but also turned a convicted murderer into some martyr while turning at worst his accomplice into a murdering snitch is quite remarkable, if not downright scary
ETA: I’m still waiting for one of these productions to address the map of Leakin Park with Adnan’s fingerprint that was apparently found in Hae’s car and admitted into evidence according to the Court of Special Appeals opinion.
That’s a fairly important “detail”, no?? Maybe they just “forgot”
Although I’m sure they’d waive their magic corrupt, framing, evidence planting police wand for the umpteenth time and everyone would just eat it up yet again
This post was edited on 3/20 at 7:25 am
re: The Case Against Adnan Syed - HBO-Posted by The Spleen on 3/20/19 at 8:19 am to Tiger Voodoo
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I’m still waiting for one of these productions to address the map of Leakin Park with Adnan’s fingerprint that was apparently found in Hae’s car and admitted into evidence according to the Court of Special Appeals opinion.
I just listened to the entire season of Serial again, and this was addressed. It wasn't just a map of Leakin Park. There was a map of the entire area around the school on the other side, and given that, she didn't seem to think it was that serious since it was widely known Adnan was regularly in her car and his fingerprints were all over it.
After the 2nd listen, I came to the same conclusion I did after the first listen. It's possible, and maybe even likely, Adnan killed her, but it certainly didn't happen the way the state presented it to happen, and Jay was way more involved than he lead on to be. The one thing that never squared with me was Adnan leaving his cell phone with Jay all day. Not many people had cell phones in 1999, and I just can't imagine someone leaving their brand new cell phone with someone all day they claimed to not be very close to. I don't think this was explored closely enough.
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