re: The Case Against Adnan Syed - HBO-

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So, do you think he found the body sometime at night, and then waited and called the police at a later time? His story is just odd and doesn't make any sense.

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I don’t disagree and that is certainly possible.

But again it’s not really relevant. There was no evidence linking him to Hae on the day she disappeared and I think I remember he even had time cards showing he was at work that day.


He is just a weird dude, as shown in his interaction with defense counsel on the stand in the HBO doc

Practice was at 4?

Then yeah I don’t see how that messes with the timeline even if Asia was with him until 240.


The school, library, and Best Buy are all within a few minutes of each other.


I assumed maybe practice was at 3 which could have been problematic.

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Great point. They heard six weeks worth and didnt even blink about their decision.

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The flip side to that is the lawyer did such an awful job she couldn’t even plant a seed of doubt in the juries mind with a pretty flimsy case against Adnan.

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Serial tried to make you sympathetic for Adnan (though I'm sure more objectively than the show will), but by the end I found it impossible to for the sole fact that he didnt care that he was in jail. It was just whatever to him. If I was Sarah Koenig that would have driven me nuts. You're doing all this, whether you state it or not, to try and prove his innocence, but you're doing it for someone who doesnt even care. He openly admitted that towards the end of the podcast. Screw that.

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I don’t understand this line of thinking from people. It’s much like the comments in the “Abducted in Plain Sight” thread. People are trying to think of their reactions without providing any sort of context to the extraordinary circumstances in each case.

This guy has been sitting in prison for 15 years for something he claims he didn’t do with knowledge that he’s more than likely never going to get out. He had no reason to believe a podcast was going to blow up like it did. His telling of the story did not bother me at all. It actually made him sympathetic as he seemed to be trying to make the most of his life and move on.

To just take the attitude in these scenarios of “if it was me I’d be freaking pissed” or “I wouldn’t believe that alien story at 12” by just putting yourself in that scenario isn’t an accurate way to try to put yourself in someone else’s shoes.

Besides, if he was incredulous and pissed off etc. people could still just look at it and say he’s putting on an act. I’d much rather the honest reaction than the reaction generated to try to look a certain way.

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People are trying to think of their reactions without providing any sort of context to the extraordinary circumstances in each case.

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To just take the attitude in these scenarios of “if it was me I’d be freaking pissed” or “I wouldn’t believe that alien story at 12” by just putting yourself in that scenario isn’t an accurate way to try to put yourself in someone else’s shoes.

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Fair enough. It drives me crazy when a detective or lawyer does this, so I really shouldn't do the same. I honestly didn't think about it that way, i'm glad you said that. I'll try to have a different outlook with the show.

I didn't realize i'd be out of my league in this thread, but there is some deep talk going on and there is a limited amount that I can reply to i'm not ashamed to admit that, so personal feelings is about where i'm at right now.

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is this show just Serial but on HBO? Or is there supposed to be new details? Anyone know?

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So far the new information from the doc has been (From reddit):

1. They found no evidence that the police spoke with Jay prior to the official timeline.

Another theory championed on the internet was that Wilds had made contact with police earlier than the official record shows, the implication being that Wilds—who provided the most damaging testimony against Syed at trial—had either been coerced into giving false testimony or was lying to begin with. The seed of this idea lay in a memo from a private detective who had worked alongside Syed’s original defense lawyer showing that about a week before Jay’s first recorded police interview, he had skipped a shift at the pornography store where he was employed to meet with homicide detectives.

The source of this lead was the store’s manager, a woman referred to in the private eye’s notes as Sis. After months of interviewing the store’s former employees and digging through boxes of police records and zoning files, our team tracked down Sis and interviewed her at home. She did not remember Jay by name or by description. She also did not recall having a conversation with a private detective and emphasized that this is the kind of conversation she would remember—one about a murder investigation.

2. Don's timecards were not fabricated.

Many armchair detectives felt that Clinedinst should have been considered a prime suspect. The day she went missing, Lee had planned to meet up with Clinedinst, who was her co-worker at a LensCrafters store in Owings Mills, Maryland. But Clinedinst had an alibi for that day: He was working at a LensCrafters store in Hunt Valley, another Baltimore suburb, where his mother just happened to be the manager. The internet was ablaze with the idea that Clinedinst’s mother had doctored her son’s Hunt Valley timecard, creating what some saw as a phantom shift that put Clinedinst far from the scene of the crime.

After interviewing more than 15 current and former employees of LensCrafters, employees of Luxottica Group, LensCrafters’ parent, and even the developer who built the timekeeping software, we debunked the timecard theory. It was, we concluded, impossible to adjust the computerized timecard retroactively without leaving a trace.

3. The cops did not see Hae's car prior to Jay leading them to it.

By interviewing former law enforcement officers who used the National Crime Information Center database and pulling police dispatch logs from Harford County, however, we determined that the printout did not show where the car had been spotted. Instead, it was a search log showing when and where the police officers working on Lee’s missing-persons case had checked the NCIC database to see if her car had turned up somewhere else.

So, there's no reason to continue to view Don as a suspect (not that there ever was). There's also no reason to think the police fed Jay the location of Hae's car.

What's also interesting to me is that there is no discussion of the cell phone cover sheet disclaimer. That's a glaring omission. Maybe it will come up in the later episodes. But, if it's not raised, or it is raised without discussing the results of any investigation into it, it suggests to me one of two things: 1. They found evidence that would be damaging to positions taken during Adnan's (pending at the time documentary completed) IAC claim, 2. Willfull blindness on their part.

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I remember Sarah tried to re-create the state's timeline on one of the episodes and it was virtually impossible to re-create the way they said things happened. It would have taken them hitting every green light perfectly, light traffic, etc.

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it wasnt virtually impossible. She had a minute or two to spare and she, imo, was semi lenient on the time. She was pretty disappointed she was able to do it. It seemed impossible playing it out in your mind but that debunk that theory.

That’s all interesting stuff JB, and definitely at odds with the picture Serial tried to paint.


Where exactly is that coming from? The terms “our team” “we debunked” and “our investigation” are used throughout. Who is doing this investigation?

Just like I’m weary of Serial and their producers, I’m also not going to just accept alternate info that aligns with my suspicions.

Is this just like Reddit sleuths, or is another production in the works showing the other side?


All that stuff definitely wasn’t in the HBO doc, at least not the first ep.

Episode 2 Bump...

Looks like they're gonna start looking into new evidence tonight with the investigator team.

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Like I said it’s been years since I listened and read all of this stuff.

Did that plea not go through?

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I have no way of knowing whether he did actual time or not. There is a possibility that the time could have been suspended, but normally that type of information is in the plea deal itself.

So that's weird.

I'm in the middle of episode 2, but paused it to go to the gym.

And I just popped in to say that Jay's gf Stephanie was a goddamn smoke show. Solid 9 without breaking a sweat.