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re: The Burning of King’s Landing
Posted on 12/1/20 at 1:38 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 12/1/20 at 1:38 pm to OMLandshark
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Trust me, the people of Westeros saw her as a tyrant
You had a quick chat with them, did you?
Posted on 12/1/20 at 1:47 pm to CocomoLSU
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But they never even got a chance to though. That's the difference and that's the issue.
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Nobody is also saying they couldn't see that turn coming. What I am saying is that it made exactly zero sense within the character they had spent 7.5 seasons molding.
If you are saying you could see the turn coming, how was this out of line with the character they developed for 7.5 seasons?
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The people in King's Landing were just killed, for no believable reason.
If I recall, she knew they didn't and wouldn't love her. That was reason enough.
She thought everything was rightfully hers (throne was first for her brother, then ultimately rightfully her nephew-lover), but the only things that was truly hers were the dragons, which she lost two soon after crossing the Narrow Sea.
Poorly.
Executed.
Descent.
Into.
Madness.
In.
The.
Final.
Season.
Posted on 12/1/20 at 2:20 pm to RollTide1987
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You had a quick chat with them, did you?
Small folk talked about her in the books. They were not all that thrilled by her and saw her as a barbarian Mad Queen who had an army of eunuchs and mass rapists. The thought of a Dothraki Horde running around Westeros raping and burning was not appealing to any of the small folk.
Posted on 12/1/20 at 2:38 pm to CocomoLSU
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Nobody is saying she wasn't capable of ruthless shite. Nobody is also saying they couldn't see that turn coming. What I am saying is that it made exactly zero sense within the character they had spent 7.5 seasons molding. Hell, to use my previous example, even the Tarlys were given a chance to bend the knee before they were ruthlessly burned. The people in King's Landing were just killed, for no believable reason.
Not to mention that the masters she crucified were only killed because they had crucified thousands of slaves and lined the road that Dany and her army were marching down. She was seething at their lack of humanity so for her to turn around and essentially massacre an entire city of civilians makes no sense to her character even if she could be ruthless. It's not as if those civilians in Kings Landing we actively opposing her they were hiding and trying to survive not fight her army.
Posted on 12/1/20 at 3:05 pm to OMLandshark
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Trust me, the people of Westeros saw her as a tyrant, and after dealing with her father, Joffrey, and Cersei they’d had enough with mad tyrants demanding power only to bring their lives to ruin. It’s why Dany hates them
Oh, cool...trust you. Thanks. I guess we can stop discussion now because you know the real deal. Good talk.
Posted on 12/1/20 at 3:07 pm to Sasquatch Smash
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If you are saying you could see the turn coming, how was this out of line with the character they developed for 7.5 seasons?
I'm saying she was clearly capable of being ruthless and burning people. But the people she burned in KL, that was a whole other level than what she had ever done up to that point.
Posted on 12/1/20 at 3:10 pm to OMLandshark
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OMLandshark
you do know it's not real life right? it's all make believe. there's no absolutes here (other than D/D fricked up the narrative)
Posted on 12/1/20 at 3:27 pm to CocomoLSU
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Oh, cool...trust you. Thanks. I guess we can stop discussion now because you know the real deal. Good talk
All I’m doing is trusting the text in the books. Threatening to bring a Dothraki Horde to Westeros was not popular with anyone, and that’s not even getting to the Unsullied and the dragons.
Posted on 12/1/20 at 3:57 pm to OMLandshark
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All I’m doing is trusting the text in the books.
And as we've talked about before many times, the only thing you can go on is what is actually in the show. That is the media and the stories presented. Just because something makes sense in the books doesn't mean it occurs in the show, or even translates to the show.
Perfect example, you (I think, maybe it was someone else) mentioned that Varys was way worse in the books, but on the show he was partly bad and partly good/had redeeming qualities. So all we can go on with the show is what is actually in the show.
Posted on 12/1/20 at 4:07 pm to CocomoLSU
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And as we've talked about before many times, the only thing you can go on is what is actually in the show. That is the media and the stories presented. Just because something makes sense in the books doesn't mean it occurs in the show, or even translates to the show.
It kind of was shown on the show though. If a French prince or princess were overthrown back in the Middle Ages, they go over to the Great Steppe and bring a Mongolian Horde to take their throne back, then the commoners nor the elite in every bordering country are going to be happy to see that person come back. The Dothraki even over the dragons was the major reason she was not popular in Westeros.
This post was edited on 12/1/20 at 6:23 pm
Posted on 12/1/20 at 4:19 pm to OMLandshark
It was rushed for sure, but burning the city was completely in character- as set up by at least Season 2.
The slave cities storyline, combined with the dragons, made her buy her own line of horseshite that she was some sort of Godlike being.
She was always talking about "burning it all" etc when she got fired up. If Tyrion or Jorah werent there to talk her down, she likely would have in those moments. Grey Worm and Missandei were totally on board with "killing them all." Agreed that the creators did a poor job of building to her homicidal state in those last few episodes, but the foreshadowing was there from earlier in the show.
Danerys was always a vengeful and selfish character. Any good she accomplished was accomplished out of narcissistic intent.
She runs in stark contrast to Jon Snow (pun intended)
The fact that Snow and Dany would have to be in conflict for the finale was never really in doubt, esp. after they began a relationship. Pretty obvious plotting leading up to that.
One of the best things about the ending was the reveal that all the prophecies were, just as in real life, bullshite.
Bran as king is annoying, but makes sense. And Jon Snow really gets a much happier ending than if he became King. Think how miserable that bastard would be.
And he'd be bad at it.
The slave cities storyline, combined with the dragons, made her buy her own line of horseshite that she was some sort of Godlike being.
She was always talking about "burning it all" etc when she got fired up. If Tyrion or Jorah werent there to talk her down, she likely would have in those moments. Grey Worm and Missandei were totally on board with "killing them all." Agreed that the creators did a poor job of building to her homicidal state in those last few episodes, but the foreshadowing was there from earlier in the show.
Danerys was always a vengeful and selfish character. Any good she accomplished was accomplished out of narcissistic intent.
She runs in stark contrast to Jon Snow (pun intended)
The fact that Snow and Dany would have to be in conflict for the finale was never really in doubt, esp. after they began a relationship. Pretty obvious plotting leading up to that.
One of the best things about the ending was the reveal that all the prophecies were, just as in real life, bullshite.
Bran as king is annoying, but makes sense. And Jon Snow really gets a much happier ending than if he became King. Think how miserable that bastard would be.
And he'd be bad at it.
Posted on 12/1/20 at 6:12 pm to tigahbruh
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Bran as king is annoying, but makes sense.
No it doesn’t. Not one bit at all
This post was edited on 12/1/20 at 6:13 pm
Posted on 12/2/20 at 8:29 am to 1BamaRTR
Don’t have a dog in this fight, but curious as to who the board thinks should’ve been king
Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:22 am to banone74
It wouldn’t have fixed everything, but I feel it would have been better for Missandei to be executed after King’s Landing surrenders. In the fight she is taken by the Lannister army. Cersei knows she’s about to die and delivers one final blow to make Dany suffer. Dany freaks out, after losing her best friend right as she’s achieved her goal, and burns them all.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:35 am to KingofthePoint
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It wouldn’t have fixed everything, but I feel it would have been better for Missandei to be executed after King’s Landing surrenders.
was heavily discussed during and after that episode.
an easy fix to establish dany's motive and again, D/D blew it
Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:38 am to banone74
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Don’t have a dog in this fight, but curious as to who the board thinks should’ve been king
jon snow
would have fallen right in with his reluctant leader persona and left him making one last sacrifice (his happiness) for the good of the continent
also would have set him up for a troubled reign (again, right in his wheelhouse as a character) due to his regicide
Posted on 12/2/20 at 10:05 am to tigahbruh
Bran as king could have made sense, but the show did absolutely nothing to lay a decent foundation for it. Bran literally never used his powers for anything useful to another character. Even his big reveals were basically meaningless in the way they were used. Plus, it made no sense for there to be a king from the north while allowing the north to also break away as an independent kingdom. That’s f$&king stupid. That would be like if at the end of the American Revolution, not only are the American colonies recognized as independent, but Ben Franklin is crowned King of England.
This post was edited on 12/2/20 at 10:06 am
Posted on 12/2/20 at 12:36 pm to OMLandshark
I am just remembering that they killed my favorite character (Stannis) off screen. Man this show is annoying to reflect upon.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 1:03 pm to OMLandshark
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Trust me, the people of Westeros saw her as a tyrant, and after dealing with her father, Joffrey, and Cersei they’d had enough with mad tyrants demanding power only to bring their lives to ruin. It’s why Dany hates them.
Well we are certainly going to have to trust you because absolutely NONE of this is in the books or the series. Once again, you insert your own opinion as fact.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 1:38 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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Well we are certainly going to have to trust you because absolutely NONE of this is in the books or the series. Once again, you insert your own opinion as fact.
Pretty sure we heard some things from Arya and Tyrion’s POV in Braavos and Volantis about their perception on Dany, although to be fair one of the Red Priest (I believe she was on the show as well) was a fan of Dany.
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