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The Burning of King’s Landing
Posted on 11/30/20 at 8:36 pm
Posted on 11/30/20 at 8:36 pm
I would say Spoiler Alert, but who the frick cares at this point? Everyone I know of (including myself) would tell someone either to never watch the show no matter how good the first 4 seasons are or to stop watching at the end of Season 6 and just imagine what happens afterwards, because whatever it is it is better than Seasons 7 and 8. Also to be honest the show was completely dead to me the moment Arya killed the Night King destroying all the years of foreshadowing of Azor Ahai and all the other prophesies, but hey Melisandre mentioned blue eyes one time despite mentioning Azor Ahai 600 times in the show, so I guess that makes it all good.
But onto the thread point, I kind of like that Dany burns down King’s Landing. Granted within the context of the show at that point it’s dumb as all frick since King’s Landing actually surrenders to her without much of a struggle, and they did some dumb bullshite with the bells which makes no sense given what Martin himself directly wrote in the Blackwater episode.
I think it could have been a brilliant Scouring of the Shire moment if they built it up more than an episode and a half in advance, and the books seem to be building up to something like that. Dany in the House of the Undying doesn’t really count since it’s been fricking 6 seasons since that scene was even thought of or discussed. She just turned on a dime for no reason. Westeros had submitted so why burn the city to the ground? Even Aerys wouldn’t have done that.
Here’s the big problem with that scene save for how sudden and stupid it was in the context of the show: you don’t care about a single character dying there. You’ve got the Mad Queen, a ridiculous homicidal Jack Sparrow, a mass raping Frankenstein’s monster, and Josef Mengele as the victims of it. These are all awful, awful people where we celebrate their deaths, so by default the tragedy of the situation doesn’t work. I guess Jaime was there too, but he just got finished throwing Brienne under the bus and saying that he never cared for the commoners, so frick him too.
Dany needs to have a reason to burn down King’s Landing, like say the people won’t surrender to her no matter what thinking she’s another Mad King/Queen come for them and they’d rather die and want the actual Heir of Rhaegar as their King. Also you have to have people die you care about. The show blew it on both fronts, and if that fat piece of shite hands it off to a ghost writer to finish the books (another spoiler alert, he won’t), then I do think that could be a powerfully effective and emotionally moving ending to the books.
Granted I’m still not buying the very end. Sir Too Fat to Write a Book better have a better excuse of blowing himself as a writer and saying “Who has a better story than Bran the Broken?” That part has to change drastically. Not buying that for one fricking second.
But onto the thread point, I kind of like that Dany burns down King’s Landing. Granted within the context of the show at that point it’s dumb as all frick since King’s Landing actually surrenders to her without much of a struggle, and they did some dumb bullshite with the bells which makes no sense given what Martin himself directly wrote in the Blackwater episode.
I think it could have been a brilliant Scouring of the Shire moment if they built it up more than an episode and a half in advance, and the books seem to be building up to something like that. Dany in the House of the Undying doesn’t really count since it’s been fricking 6 seasons since that scene was even thought of or discussed. She just turned on a dime for no reason. Westeros had submitted so why burn the city to the ground? Even Aerys wouldn’t have done that.
Here’s the big problem with that scene save for how sudden and stupid it was in the context of the show: you don’t care about a single character dying there. You’ve got the Mad Queen, a ridiculous homicidal Jack Sparrow, a mass raping Frankenstein’s monster, and Josef Mengele as the victims of it. These are all awful, awful people where we celebrate their deaths, so by default the tragedy of the situation doesn’t work. I guess Jaime was there too, but he just got finished throwing Brienne under the bus and saying that he never cared for the commoners, so frick him too.
Dany needs to have a reason to burn down King’s Landing, like say the people won’t surrender to her no matter what thinking she’s another Mad King/Queen come for them and they’d rather die and want the actual Heir of Rhaegar as their King. Also you have to have people die you care about. The show blew it on both fronts, and if that fat piece of shite hands it off to a ghost writer to finish the books (another spoiler alert, he won’t), then I do think that could be a powerfully effective and emotionally moving ending to the books.
Granted I’m still not buying the very end. Sir Too Fat to Write a Book better have a better excuse of blowing himself as a writer and saying “Who has a better story than Bran the Broken?” That part has to change drastically. Not buying that for one fricking second.
This post was edited on 11/30/20 at 8:42 pm
Posted on 11/30/20 at 8:45 pm to OMLandshark
Dan and Dave outright admitted they had no clue what they were doing. Once G.R.R. Martin stopped feeding them source material, they and the show were fricked.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 8:49 pm to AURaptor
I guess the line of thinking was that Martin would have the series done by the time the show caught up to the books. The show premiered right around the time the fifth book was published. That was April 2011. Fans of the novels are still waiting for #6 to be published....almost a full decade later.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 8:52 pm to OMLandshark
I agree. I think she would end up doing the same thing in the books but its just done so poorly and out of the blue here.
Also, does the final season feel like it was 5 years ago to anybody else? Never felt more disconnected from a show i once loved.
Also, does the final season feel like it was 5 years ago to anybody else? Never felt more disconnected from a show i once loved.
This post was edited on 11/30/20 at 8:55 pm
Posted on 11/30/20 at 8:53 pm to RollTide1987
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I guess the line of thinking was that Martin would have the series done by the time the show caught up to the books.
Let’s assume WoW is released: Cersei is going to be killed by Jaime in that book. She was living on borrowed time not only because Lena Heady is a fantastic actress, but because (somewhat justifiably) they thought their audience is stupid. The characters I think in the books that will be the victims of Dany in the end were entirely (save for Varys and Illyrio) removed from the show. The characters of Varys scheming over the years will Dany’s victims, and save for Varys (who is an absolute monster in the books unlike the show) they’re really almost entirely good people. The only side that will be there in the end from the books is the Golden Company.
This post was edited on 12/1/20 at 7:28 am
Posted on 11/30/20 at 8:54 pm to RollTide1987
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I guess the line of thinking was that Martin would have the series done by the time the show caught up to the books. The show premiered right around the time the fifth book was published. That was April 2011. Fans of the novels are still waiting for #6 to be published....almost a full decade later.
Fans aren't getting #6.
That's my guess.
Hate to be the bearer of bad news.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 8:57 pm to UMRealist
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I agree. I think she would end up doing the same thing in the books but its just done so poorly and out of the blue here.
It’s obvious what’s going to make her snap completely: The people of King’s Landing refuse to surrender to Dany, say they’re glad to have Rhaegar’s heir as their king, Dany knows he’s a fake and the actual heir to Rhaegar is on her side and her subordinate, and then she burns down the whole fricking town in rage. They’re not going to surrender to her which is where the tragedy will come in.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 9:12 pm to OMLandshark
Sir, this is a Starbucks
But Ya, i agree with you completely that Seasons 7 and 8 are basically complete shite and the couple before that you can start to see the cracks in the foundation.
But Ya, i agree with you completely that Seasons 7 and 8 are basically complete shite and the couple before that you can start to see the cracks in the foundation.
This post was edited on 11/30/20 at 9:14 pm
Posted on 11/30/20 at 9:14 pm to AURaptor
quote:
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I guess the line of thinking was that Martin would have the series done by the time the show caught up to the books. The show premiered right around the time the fifth book was published. That was April 2011. Fans of the novels are still waiting for #6 to be published....almost a full decade later.
Fans aren't getting #6.
That's my guess.
Hate to be the bearer of bad news.
I'm leaning this way as well - and I won't even read it until 7th and final book is published even if he does write it.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 9:42 pm to OMLandshark
You guys are spending more time on this than GRRM did/will. He's not going to finish the books. He had no clue how to end them and figured out it was easier to put it all on D&D and let them take the heat for it. GRRM is a hack. Always has been and always will be.
Posted on 12/1/20 at 6:22 am to UMRealist
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Also, does the final season feel like it was 5 years ago to anybody else? Never felt more disconnected from a show i once loved.
Seriously this. The show was a great happening during the seasons. And now the entire saga is barely in my head and with no logical closure, just a grey cloud of mediocrity.
Posted on 12/1/20 at 6:59 am to Sneaky__Sally
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i agree with you completely that Seasons 7 and 8 are basically complete shite and the couple before that you can start to see the cracks in the foundation.
I’m in the minority I guess with season 7. While every episode isn’t excellent like seasons 1-6, there are still some good ones.
Posted on 12/1/20 at 7:16 am to OMLandshark
I’ll admit the scene where Dany and the dragon destroy the gold caravan in season 7 is bad arse, but it’s hard to comprehend the extreme levels of suck the last two seasons were and it’s best not to even try and justify any of it.
Posted on 12/1/20 at 7:31 am to OMLandshark
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Granted I’m still not buying the very end. Sir Too Fat to Write a Book better have a better excuse of blowing himself as a writer and saying “Who has a better story than Bran the Broken?” That part has to change drastically. Not buying that for one fricking second.
I laughed out loud at that shite. And I said to the friend I was watching with “the only thing that could make this cheesier is if someone suggested a democracy and everyone laughed at them” boom right on queue
Posted on 12/1/20 at 7:48 am to OMLandshark
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Dany needs to have a reason to burn down King’s Landing, like say the people won’t surrender to her no matter what thinking she’s another Mad King/Queen come for them and they’d rather die and want the actual Heir of Rhaegar as their King.
boom
all they had to do was figure out a way o make jon snow's lineage known throughout the kingdom, and especially KL, and the plot then writes itself.
instead, despite all the buildup (who are jon's real parents??!???!!?!) they stupidly had him keep it a secret, torpedoed jon's character altogether, and ruined the ending of the show
seriously it was that easy.
danaerys was not going to give up her claim, and she was going to set fire to some shite to do it. all they had to do was not have the city surrender
Posted on 12/1/20 at 8:01 am to OMLandshark
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It’s obvious what’s going to make her snap completely: The people of King’s Landing refuse to surrender to Dany, say they’re glad to have Rhaegar’s heir as their king, Dany knows he’s a fake and the actual heir to Rhaegar is on her side and her subordinate, and then she burns down the whole fricking town in rage. They’re not going to surrender to her which is where the tragedy will come in.
She was a ruthless tyrant, and had always been a ruthless tyrant despite her aspirations to the contrary.
This post was edited on 12/1/20 at 8:09 am
Posted on 12/1/20 at 8:06 am to AURaptor
He'll never write it. I think he's either just that lazy or he feels like not finishing it is him not selling out or whatever.
I just imagine somewhere in a board room in new york some publishing people yelling at his agent to make him finish the damn books.
There was a point in time, probably when the last episode of season 6 aired, when Dany is heading to KL with all her ships and 3 dragons, that book 6 and 7 would have sold as many copies as the last harry potter book.
I just imagine somewhere in a board room in new york some publishing people yelling at his agent to make him finish the damn books.
There was a point in time, probably when the last episode of season 6 aired, when Dany is heading to KL with all her ships and 3 dragons, that book 6 and 7 would have sold as many copies as the last harry potter book.
Posted on 12/1/20 at 8:11 am to AURaptor
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Fans aren't getting #6.
That's my guess.
Likely the case at this point, but a fantasy I hold is that he's going to surprise us with both books back to back.
Like something Brandon Sanderson has done. Ha.
Meaning he's finishing up 6 and 7, and will release 7 6 months or so after book 6.
A man can dream....
Posted on 12/1/20 at 8:48 am to RollTide1987
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I guess the line of thinking was that Martin would have the series done by the time the show caught up to the books. The show premiered right around the time the fifth book was published. That was April 2011. Fans of the novels are still waiting for #6 to be published....almost a full decade later.
Put another way, Game of Thrones was originally published in August of 96. If you had a child at the same time, The baby would now be 24, out of college working with Jody at the plant wondering where the hell the rest of the books are.
Posted on 12/1/20 at 8:55 am to UnitedFruitCompany
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Game of Thrones was originally published in August of 96
And originally slated as a trilogy.
The first three books were published in four years (1996 - 2000). It then took five years for book four to come out (2005), and somehow an additional six years for book 5 (2011) despite much of it supposedly being previously written/split off from book 4.
His pace is slowing. It'll never get done, but one can dream.
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UnitedFruitCompany
Those banana companies back in the day did some crazy shite.
I've recently purchased a Merchant Marine Museum book about the Great White Fleet (well really about the banana boats in general).
This post was edited on 12/1/20 at 9:07 am
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