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re: The Batman-Funeral scene
Posted on 2/2/22 at 9:56 am to Jor Jor The Dinosaur
Posted on 2/2/22 at 9:56 am to Jor Jor The Dinosaur
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This is a thread about a Batman movie and people are posting about fricking supreme court justice nominations...
This thread went off the rails. Very impressive 
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Posted on 2/2/22 at 9:56 am to imjustafatkid
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Well this is just nonsensical.
The comparison is between a 100% white character and a 100% black character.
Except there's more to it than that. One makes sense and the other makes no sense.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 9:56 am to iwyLSUiwy
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you're opinion is so dumb
No reason to even read past this statement.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 9:57 am to iwyLSUiwy
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Except there's more to it than that. One makes sense and the other makes no sense.
Neither makes sense. T'Challa is black. Jim Gordon is white. Any other depiction would not be those characters. It would be something else.
ETA: If they simply made a new character who was police commissioner of Gotham City and black, then that would be fine. Instead they are trying to call this character Jim Gordon, which he is not.
This post was edited on 2/2/22 at 10:00 am
Posted on 2/2/22 at 10:02 am to imjustafatkid
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Because it's the same thing.
is it?
Posted on 2/2/22 at 10:03 am to VinegarStrokes
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is it?
Yep. Race swapping is race swapping no matter what the race of the characters is.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 10:04 am to BluegrassBelle
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Because the sheer meltdown that occurs over these things on this board have started to derail most show and movie threads on here.
It doesn’t help that you guys engage them every single time. And it’s almost always the same people on both sides of the argument. I automatically know at least some of the posters that will pop up in threads like this and know exactly what their take will be since it happens over and over again.
I don’t disagree with FewerKilometers here but people like him are a perfect example of those types.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 10:05 am to imjustafatkid
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Well this is just nonsensical.
The comparison is between a 100% white character and a 100% black character.
How do you know that Gordon is 100% white? As far as I can tell, the skin pigmentation of your precious comic book illustrations changes depending on who drew the character in a particular book and which colored pencil they decided to use.
Is there a family tree of Jim Gordon published somewhere that is the official canon of his racial makeup?
Posted on 2/2/22 at 10:06 am to imjustafatkid
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Yep. Race swapping is race swapping no matter what the race of the characters is.
I find it odd that your only form of character identification is based on the color of an illustration's skin
Posted on 2/2/22 at 10:38 am to imjustafatkid
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Barbara Gordon is Batgirl. No legit Batman fan would claim otherwise.
Someone who has read the comics would. I suppose if "Batman fan" is limited to the 60s TV series, then maybe, but not one who has read his comics.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 10:45 am to VinegarStrokes
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which colored pencil they decided to use.
Ok boomer. Who colors comics with colored pencils these days?
Posted on 2/2/22 at 10:46 am to skrayper
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Someone who has read the comics would. I suppose if "Batman fan" is limited to the 60s TV series, then maybe, but not one who has read his comics.
It probably would have been more appropriate to say the most well known Batgirl. Even characters like Stephanie Brown and Cassandra Cain really shined more as Spoiler and Orphan.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 10:55 am to JasonMason
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It probably would have been more appropriate to say the most well known Batgirl.
That's fair, but it would be akin to saying that Dick Grayson is the only true Robin, or Hal Jordan is the only true Green Lantern, due to popularity.
You can hold that opinion, but it's not an accurate one.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 11:05 am to skrayper
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That's fair, but it would be akin to saying that Dick Grayson is the only true Robin, or Hal Jordan is the only true Green Lantern, due to popularity.
These aren't even close to the same.
Barbara Gordon isn't just "a Batgirl," she is by far the most popular Batgirl with absolutely the most fleshed out storyline in the comics. When people say "Batgirl," they are not thinking of anyone else.
Your argument is the same as claiming Clark Kent isn't Superman. Yes, there have been other characters who have donned the Superman mantle. No, they are not Superman. No one would think of those characters when you say the world "Superman" just like no one would think of anyone but Barbara Gordon when you say the word "Batgirl." They probably wouldn't even know she was ever called Oracle.
This post was edited on 2/2/22 at 11:08 am
Posted on 2/2/22 at 11:06 am to VinegarStrokes
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I find it odd that your only form of character identification is based on the color of an illustration's skin
Nothing I've stated in this thread would lead you to this conclusion.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 11:11 am to imjustafatkid
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Barbara Gordon isn't just "a Batgirl," she is by far the most popular Batgirl with absolutely the most fleshed out storyline in the comics. When people say "Batgirl," they are not thinking of anyone else.
Except that someone could have made those very same arguments the moment that John Stewart or Tim Drake were introduced.
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Your argument is the same as claiming Clark Kent isn't Superman. Yes, there have been other characters who have donned the Superman mantle. No, they are not Superman. No one would think of those characters when you say the world "Superman."
Not really, because there's never been another person donning the Superman mantle in his main comic (except when he was "dead"). Barbara Gordon was an entirely different character for over two decades (Oracle - 1989-2011). Clark Kent was definitely NOT a different character for over 20 years.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 11:13 am to skrayper
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That's fair, but it would be akin to saying that Dick Grayson is the only true Robin, or Hal Jordan is the only true Green Lantern, due to popularity.
I agree here on Robin, but not Green Lantern. Those are two different things with the way the Lantern Corps is set up vs Robin being a mantle.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 11:14 am to skrayper
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Except that someone could have made those very same arguments the moment that John Stewart or Tim Drake were introduced.
In this example, wouldn't Hal Jordon and Jason Todd be the appropriate "seconds?"
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Not really, because there's never been another person donning the Superman mantle in his main comic
Isn't this happening right now today?
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Barbara Gordon was an entirely different character for over two decades (Oracle - 1989-2011).
All I see here is someone who absolutely knows that he thinks of Barbara Gordon whenever someone talks about Batgirl and just doesn't want to admit it.
ETA: I would say her run as Oracle even further cemented her as Batgirl in the minds of comic book readers. Every time she was in the book in a wheelchair it would remind the reader of when Joker paralyzed Batgirl in "The Killing Joke."
This post was edited on 2/2/22 at 11:32 am
Posted on 2/2/22 at 11:16 am to imjustafatkid
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Nothing I've stated in this thread would lead you to this conclusion.
You just said that Gordon is white and anything other than a white person is not Gordon.
So you would actually be sitting in the theatre watching an actor play Jim Gordon but you wouldn't identify him as that character because he's not white.
"Hey Jim, could you take a look at this for me."
Fatkid: *leans over to his buddy* "This guy is black, that's not Jim Gordon."
Posted on 2/2/22 at 11:19 am to iwyLSUiwy
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You just said that Gordon is white and anything other than a white person is not Gordon.
This is true, but that does not mean him being white is the only thing that makes him Jim Gordon. You drew a nonsensical conclusion.
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