re: The Batman-Funeral scene

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lol....false. Everything you have stated in this thread would lead me to this conclusion as well as to the conclusion that you are a racist.

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The racists here are the people who can't create interesting black characters so they appropriate white ones.

I mean Lucious Fox is a pretty dang interesting character from Batman comics who also happens to be black. They should have just used him, or called this character anything other than Jim Gordon.

Imagine assigning value to a fictional drawing based solely on skin color

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They should have just used him, or called this character anything other than Jim Gordon.

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I think you're at the very bottom of even the minority that think that it would be better to have a black police commissioner named Tim Wordon rather than just have a good black actor as Jim Gordon. That is a terrible idea. Then you'd be bitching that they got rid of Jim Gordon just so they could have a black guy play they same type of character.

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the conclusion that you are a racist.

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It doesn't make you racist to prefer a white Jim Gordon like the comics and all the other media he's been portrayed in. It also doesn't make you a racist to prefer a white redheaded Batgirl or Mary Jane. Saying things like this make the term racist meaningless.


Some people would prefer that their Jim Gordon is reflected in the movie. By their Jim Gordon, I mean the one that has always existed. They find it lazy when things like race swaps are done. I understand some people find it inconsequential and that's fine. It's anybody's right to feel that way. I just think both opinions can be valid without someone being racist.

I think the Batgirl thing is more egregious. Let's go back to the Green Lantern comparison since the whole Jim Gordon/T'Challa thing is kind of a leap. So Barbara has always been a white redhead. There have been other Batgirls that aren't white redheads. They chose to go with Barbara. Do you think there would be outrage if Hal Jordan was black or John Stewart was white? They are both Green Lanterns of earth, but I feel like more people would be justifiably upset if they did either of those things.

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offshoot character who will never be the actual character in the mind of the viewer.

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Speak for yourself.

I have little doubt that I'll be able to watch this movie and Jeffrey Wright's take on the character and think "that's Jim Gordon" without giving it a second thought.

It's a character we've seen nth number of times before, in various shapes and sizes. Stop being so hung up on race.

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lol yeah. who cares about continuity.

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Today I learned that a single, stand-alone story that is a reimagining of existing characters must maintain continuity with a huge collection of completely unrelated stories and characters

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What is happening here is these people want to feel like they're "good people" because they removed a prominent white character and made that character black.

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On the last page you said he was a background character. Now he's a prominent character. Got it.

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nstead of creating an actual black character, they've instead just made an offshoot character who will never be the actual character in the mind of the viewer.

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The minority of the viewers yes. Im sorry they hurt your feelings by hiring a good actor that isnt the skin color you want. Poor fatkid.

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This is my favorite because it's so fricking stupid. Without the Batman lore and continuity NO ONE would care about Batman. Yes it's a stand alone story set in its own universe, but if you want to say continuity doesn't matter, then you're a fricking idiot. Comic books themselves are filled with contradictions and backstories get re-written from time to time, but let's not act like general continuity doesn't matter. shite when Sam Raimi gave Spider-Man organic webs that caused an issue.

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Imagine caring this much about the skin color of an imaginary character causing one to go off the rails like this.

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Imagine caring this much about the skin color of an imaginary character causing one to go off the rails like this.

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K fella. It's ok to be lesser than. No one is going to judge you.

It's ok to admit you're wrong and said something stupid. It's actually a sign of character. I won't hold it against you.

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Ok. Prove it. Where did I say I cared. I certainly have my opinions on what they are doing, but it doesn't make any difference to me. I think you might be getting me confused with some one else. DC doesn't employ me, so I'm not a stake holder in any of this. I can make my big boy decisions to watch or not just like everyone else. My issue is, again I'll repeat it because you're slow, I don't think it's racist to have the opinion that you want Jim Gordon to be white.

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Lol….melt