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re: 'The Acolyte' Megathread: The Grand Finale is now streaming

Posted on 7/17/24 at 11:23 am to
Posted by TeddyPadillac
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Posted on 7/17/24 at 11:23 am to
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Sometimes its best to not overanalyze everything


for things like gravity happening in space or other physics/technology things that happen in another galaxy, sure, but this is something that is part of Star Wars. It's ok to overanalyze things that are relevant to the lore of the subject matter, b/c things like this can say a lot about what's going on with the story and/or character.
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
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Posted on 7/17/24 at 11:29 am to
The end result was still the same though. The saber changing showed what was happening to her character. For most viewers, that was probably enough.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
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Posted on 7/17/24 at 11:34 am to
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The end result was still the same though. The saber changing showed what was happening to her character. For most viewers, that was probably enough.



You mean for most new idiot viewers they are trying to attract that know nothing about Star Wars? That's what Disney Star Wars is. They have no idea who their actual audience is.
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
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Posted on 7/17/24 at 11:37 am to
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You mean for most new idiot viewers they are trying to attract that know nothing about Star Wars? That's what Disney Star Wars is. They have no idea who their actual audience is.



Personally, I'm a huge Star Wars fan. I've watched every movie countless times and every live action show. I play the video games as well.

I've never watched any of the cartoons or read any of the books/comics/etc.

There are plenty of Star Wars fans exactly like that.
Posted by Corinthians420
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Posted on 7/17/24 at 11:39 am to
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Everyone that has successfully "bled" a kyber crystal red, has done so after removing the crystal from the light saber and corrupting it using the dark side fo the force, and had help on how to do this from their master.
Osha/Mae had no idea what she was doing. It just happened.

I get that, but how many times have we seen it happen on screen?

As a big book reader I understand your frustration, but it's just something I've had to come to terms with that any time something is translated from the book to the screen it's not gonna be as in depth.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
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Posted on 7/17/24 at 11:45 am to
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I get that, but how many times have we seen it happen on screen?

As a big book reader I understand your frustration, but it's just something I've had to come to terms with that any time something is translated from the book to the screen it's not gonna be as in depth.



I'm fine with that, but let it happen off screen if you don't want to do it the right way and go in depth with it.
They didn't show us Anakin making his light saber bleed red. It happened off screen.
This didn't happen off screen. We saw it happen, and it happened in a way that isn't' how that's supposed to happen.


This is why the writing is so stupid.

What they did was dumb and lore breaking.

What they could have done is have Osha/Mae kill Sol, pickup the lightsaber and escape, never igniting it b/c there was no reason to, and it was fricking broken anyway. The next time we see her she's standing with Qimir and they hold hands on that planet we don't know the name of, and she's holding the light saber. That's when you ignite it and it goes red, showing that they two of them just came out of the cave to bleed Sol's kyber crystal from his saber to red.

See how that writing accomplishes the same thing, and doesn't do something that's lore breaking?

This post was edited on 7/17/24 at 12:08 pm
Posted by Corinthians420
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Posted on 7/17/24 at 11:55 am to
Yeah that would have preserved the lore better but I do not think it would have came across on screen as well as watching the saber change in action.

That was one of the better moments of the season imo.

Other star wars shows in the future don't have to follow the acolytes example either, the change doesn't have to occur exactly that way for everyone. It'll be fine.
Posted by Broski
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Posted on 7/17/24 at 11:58 am to
Why can’t there be multiple ways to bleed a crystal?

Just because you only saw/read one way before, doesn’t mean it’s the only way.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
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Posted on 7/17/24 at 12:06 pm to
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Why can’t there be multiple ways to bleed a crystal?

Just because you only saw/read one way before, doesn’t mean it’s the only way.


I'm ok with things like this as well, if it makes sense. This did not. You can't have nobodies do things that the best ever couldn't do. That's the whole problem with this stupid arse show.
Every sith ever does it one way, new show says frick that we'll do it this way b/c it'll look cool.




Posted by Mickey Goldmill
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Posted on 7/17/24 at 12:11 pm to
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Every sith ever does it one way, new show says frick that we'll do it this way b/c it'll look cool.



Remember Sol's saber was damaged which revealed the kyber crystal. That sorta follows what you said about taking it out of the saber before bleeding it. It has to be exposed. Yes, it was easier for her to do it than some others, but she's not exactly an everyday Jedi turning to the dark side either given how she was made/born.
Posted by Corinthians420
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Posted on 7/17/24 at 12:14 pm to
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I'm ok with things like this as well, if it makes sense. This did not. You can't have nobodies do things that the best ever couldn't do.

But I gave you a perfectly plausable explanation why it was so much easier for Osha than Vader. She had almost no training with the force, he had been a jedi and used the light side of the Force for over a decade when he turned to the dark side and created his saber.

And the kylo thing, that was clearly only did that way because someone thought it be cool to have a lightsaber with a cross guard.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
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Posted on 7/17/24 at 12:19 pm to
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Remember Sol's saber was damaged which revealed the kyber crystal.


and we just gloss over that it was magically fixed without any tinkering. There's ton's of on screen stuff with people tinkering with their lightsaber. Not here, though, it just gets fixed.

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but she's not exactly an everyday Jedi turning to the dark side either given how she was made/born.


That's exactly why I just said doing stuff like this is stupid. What the hell are they supposed to do with these two "special" people now? they've made them so god damn important and special, right before the prequel trilogy, yet they somehow turn into nothing and are never remembered? I mean for god sake this girl has seemingly turned into a Sith, WHO THE JEDI AREN'T SUPPOSED TO KNOW EXISTS UNTIL THE PHANTOM MENANCE AND DARTH MAUL.
Yoda is supposed to believe that Sol turned bad and killed a bunch of jedi, then killed himself? Give me a fricking break.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
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Posted on 7/17/24 at 12:23 pm to
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But I gave you a perfectly plausable explanation why it was so much easier for Osha than Vader. She had almost no training with the force, he had been a jedi and used the light side of the Force for over a decade when he turned to the dark side and created his saber.


Sure let's convienetly forget this right here so that this stupid scene makes some sense.

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Osha trained for the next ten years in the Jedi Temple. She befriended her fellow Padawan Yord Fandar.Training was difficult for her, and as some Masters had worried, she struggled to accept the loss of her family years before. She decided to leave the Orderaround 138 BBY.




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And the kylo thing, that was clearly only did that way because someone thought it be cool to have a lightsaber with a cross guard.


I agree, however, the fact that it was unstable was somethign that was known to happen, so it made sense, especially considering he didn't have a Sith Lord to help him with the process and was doing it on his own.
This post was edited on 7/17/24 at 12:27 pm
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
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Posted on 7/17/24 at 12:36 pm to
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and we just gloss over that it was magically fixed without any tinkering. There's ton's of on screen stuff with people tinkering with their lightsaber. Not here, though, it just gets fixed.



It was damaged, not completely broken. Damaged enough to expose the crystal.

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That's exactly why I just said doing stuff like this is stupid. What the hell are they supposed to do with these two "special" people now? they've made them so god damn important and special, right before the prequel trilogy, yet they somehow turn into nothing and are never remembered? I mean for god sake this girl has seemingly turned into a Sith, WHO THE JEDI AREN'T SUPPOSED TO KNOW EXISTS UNTIL THE PHANTOM MENANCE AND DARTH MAUL.
Yoda is supposed to believe that Sol turned bad and killed a bunch of jedi, then killed himself? Give me a fricking break.


I'd wait to see what they do with that storyline before overreacting.
Posted by Corinthians420
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Posted on 7/17/24 at 12:38 pm to
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Sure let's convienetly forget this right here so that this stupid scene makes some sense.

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Osha trained for the next ten years in the Jedi Temple.

Wow I didn't realize she trained for ten years. Regardless, it would have more to do with how attuned they were to the light side of the Force how difficult the transition was.

Anakin was a Jedi Knight with his own Padawan and much more attuned to the light side of the Force.

Anakin's struggles you posted seem to stem from his time serving the Jedi. Osha would have no such experiences to cause her to be torn between light and dark.

Also she could be naturally attuned to the dark side due to how she was created.
This post was edited on 7/17/24 at 12:52 pm
Posted by TeddyPadillac
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Posted on 7/17/24 at 12:53 pm to
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I'd wait to see what they do with that storyline before overreacting.




We know what they have to do with it. Nothing, b/c they don't exists anywhere in the future.


As I said before, i would be interested in season 2 and more from this, if the main focus was the Sith's and how they remained hidden up until The Phantom Menace, and they hired a competent writing team who actually knows Star Wars.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
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Posted on 7/17/24 at 12:57 pm to
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Anakin's struggles you posted seem to stem from his time serving the Jedi. Osha would have no such experiences to cause her to be torn between light and dark.



Osha was prepared to leave her family forever to join the jedi. I'd say she was very intuned with the light side, also shown when she gets mad at Mae for torturing a butterfly with the force when they were young.


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Also she could be naturally attuned to the dark side due to how she was created.



I think it's more that one of them is always good and the other bad. Osha was always the good one, and Mae the bad one. Now they've switched. That makes sense, especially since Sol said they weren't even sisters. I think what he meant was they are the same person. One of them is the light side and the other is the dark side, but they are one.
Posted by theunknownknight
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Posted on 7/17/24 at 1:01 pm to
Are ya’ll really having a serious conversation about this show trying to incorporate it into canon?

This show is so bad on so many levels, the worst of which is lore, it shouldn’t even be regarded at all. Just forgotten like Highlander 2.
This post was edited on 7/17/24 at 1:02 pm
Posted by hg
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Posted on 7/17/24 at 2:19 pm to
Yea umm so how did Anakin manage to keep his lightsaber blue while murdering children?
Posted by theunknownknight
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Posted on 7/17/24 at 2:28 pm to
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Yea umm so how did Anakin manage to keep his lightsaber blue while murdering children?


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