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re: Survivor Season 41 (finally back two weeks from tonight)

Posted on 12/15/21 at 4:57 pm to
Posted by TygerTyger
Houston
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 12/15/21 at 4:57 pm to
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Erika wins the final immunity challenge and of course takes Heather to the final tribal leaving DeShawn and Xander to make fire. DeShawn edges him out, then wins the final vote by a solid margin.


You lost me there.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38521 posts
Posted on 12/15/21 at 5:58 pm to
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This season is the least amount of food they've ever been given fwiw.
Perhaps, but it's also a lot less time.
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
103563 posts
Posted on 12/15/21 at 6:42 pm to
Perhaps. If that's reversed and Xander beats Deshawn (or Ricard) at making fire then he wins it all.

I don't see Erika having much chance unless it's 100% an "a female needs to win" vote and I don't see Naseer, Danny, or Deshawn (if he's on the jury) going that way, or Tiffany really.

Heather probably won't get a vote no matter the final 3.
Posted by BobABooey
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2004
15958 posts
Posted on 12/15/21 at 9:22 pm to
WTF just happened????
Posted by RebelVol
The Sip
Member since Aug 2016
4728 posts
Posted on 12/15/21 at 9:24 pm to
That’s completely underwhelming. Xander played the best game imo, and erika was completely useless the entire premerge. Hell she’s the luckiest player in survivor history because of the hourglass bullshite. fricking stupid, genuinely don’t think I’ve been pissed about a winner before but I am now
Posted by bluebarracuda
Member since Oct 2011
19167 posts
Posted on 12/15/21 at 9:25 pm to
Emotionally driven cast making an emotional decision.

Logically, xander was the clear winner
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 12/15/21 at 9:26 pm to
I just don’t get Xander not getting a single vote. Erika played a better game than I realized, and sold it really well, but not a single vote for Xander? Makes no sense.

And who TF voted for Drshawn? Danny?
Posted by bluebarracuda
Member since Oct 2011
19167 posts
Posted on 12/15/21 at 9:29 pm to
Erika has had the fallacy of being a strategic player by the cast since the beginning for absolutely no reason, or at least not shown to us.
Posted by Ldogg123
Lake charles
Member since Jan 2021
193 posts
Posted on 12/15/21 at 9:30 pm to
Well that sucked.
Posted by UMRealist
Member since Feb 2013
35906 posts
Posted on 12/15/21 at 9:46 pm to
I think Naseer voted Deshawn. Xander probably didn’t get any votes bc he was everyone’s second choice.
Posted by UMRealist
Member since Feb 2013
35906 posts
Posted on 12/15/21 at 9:46 pm to
I blame the editors. They chose to tell us about her game rather than show us. The players knew she was playing well and talked about it, but we were never really shown.
Posted by BobABooey
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2004
15958 posts
Posted on 12/15/21 at 9:47 pm to
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Xander played the best game imo

Xander went from the bottom rung in the worst tribe to entering the finals with momentum. When he said that he didn’t want to give Erika a chance to win the fire challenge and take away his momentum, the jury nodded and said “smart.” I have to believe that members of the jury thought that everyone would vote for Xander so they’d throw a vote Erika’s way so she didn’t get skunked.

The only other time I felt like the jury blew it was when they voted for worthless Jenna Morasca. Not even Naseer voted for Xander.
Posted by RebelVol
The Sip
Member since Aug 2016
4728 posts
Posted on 12/15/21 at 9:51 pm to
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The only other time I felt like the jury blew it was when they voted for worthless Jenna Morasca. Not even Naseer voted for Xander.
I’m too young to remember Amazon, but I thought for sure naseer would vote Xander. Still just mind blown. Maybe it’s like you said and everyone just assumed Xander would get a vote so they voted Erica? Idk. Just pissed about it. Hell, more pissed than I was in sjds because I really *still* hate natalie lol
Posted by UMRealist
Member since Feb 2013
35906 posts
Posted on 12/15/21 at 9:52 pm to
How on earth can you hate Natalie?
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 12/15/21 at 10:01 pm to
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I blame the editors. They chose to tell us about her game rather than show us. The players knew she was playing well and talked about it, but we were never really shown.


For sure. It kinda reminds me of the first season Sandra won.

It also seemed like the jury penalized Xander for lacking social awareness. Since when is that an aspect of this game? He certainly wasn’t socially clueless because he never played his hidden immunity idol. A socially clueless player would have played soon after the merge.
Posted by RebelVol
The Sip
Member since Aug 2016
4728 posts
Posted on 12/15/21 at 10:04 pm to
Wasn’t a fan of her or her sister on TAR, it carried over. She’s extremely annoying.
Posted by UMRealist
Member since Feb 2013
35906 posts
Posted on 12/15/21 at 10:05 pm to
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It also seemed like the jury penalized Xander for lacking social awareness. Since when is that an aspect of this game? He certainly wasn’t socially clueless because he never played his hidden immunity idol. A socially clueless player would have played soon after the merge.

I know Danny said in his exit press that nobody respected Xander's game because they thought he hid behind his Idol and just did whatever someone told him to do.


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For sure. It kinda reminds me of the first season Sandra won.

Sandra was a waaaaay bigger character that season though. It reminds me of either Michelle Fitzgerald (she didn't go to tribal in the premerge either) or Sophie CLarke. Both underedited winners.
Posted by UMRealist
Member since Feb 2013
35906 posts
Posted on 12/15/21 at 10:06 pm to
I never saw Amazing Race but her ingame in SJDS is one of my favorites ever. It's perfection.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30041 posts
Posted on 12/15/21 at 10:15 pm to
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Erika played a better game than I realized, and sold it really well


I think that is the key. I am of the opinion that the winner of Survivor is ALWAYS the rightful winner. They are not vying for my vote they are working for a majority of votes from a very specific small group of people. I see them via an edit for 1 hour a week, the votes that count live with them for weeks and see so much that we don't.

I would have voted for Xander but he has a way of explaining his actions that seems both over and under confident at the same time. I did like his thought process about the fire making challenge but it really needed to be Erika and him in it for him to have a chance in retrospect.

In the end, Erika convinced the jury she lead from behind and she probably did, they know better than me. Xander did have a habit of saying more than he needed to throughout the game. Not my choice but I think Erika deserved it once the juries mentality was clear.
This post was edited on 12/15/21 at 10:21 pm
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
103563 posts
Posted on 12/15/21 at 10:16 pm to
That was such poor editing, but it goes to show just how much the viewers miss and how much different their perception of each other is compared to ours looking in.

I thought Erika was an also-ran compared to Xander OR DeShawn and she crushed them both. It did appear that Deshawn practically gave up during final tribal though and was resigned to his fate, and Xander was not impressive. Dude, mention your fake idol move. Mention how you went from the bottom to the top after the merge. Mention the intuition to make it all the way to final 4 without even having to use your idol. The jury sold him more than he sold himself.

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