re: Survivor Season 41 (finally back two weeks from tonight)

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And DeShawn also had some good points about how he's being portrayed as the villain even though it was Ricard's plan to switch the vote to Shan once Ricard won immunity.

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The problem is all that matters is perception. The more he brought it up, the worse he looked. Somehow, Ricard is putting on a masterclass out there. I really wanted to hate him after the whole guys thing, but he is playing the calculated game while coming across as likeable.

I thought he (Danny) handled the question well. Biggest differences in my opinion is he doesn't see himself as a victim therefore he can not relate to the victim mentality

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Biggest differences in my opinion is he doesn't see himself as a victim therefore he can not relate to the victim mentality

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His comments pretty much echoed what Liana and Deshawn said, he just used less words to say it.

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And I think DeShawn's whole speech was 80% gameplay to the jury in case he makes it to the end, and maybe 20% serious about conflicting emotions voting Shan out.

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I think it was 50/50. Whether we as white people think its justified or not, black people really do carry around a burden to be loyal to and represent other black people. In that sense, I really do think he struggled with the decision after the fact. I think it really did hurt him to betray the black community for the sake of self preservation.

I mean look at athletes, they get money and struggle to disconnect with everyone from home because they feel guilty that they made it out and their kinfolk are still struggling.

Now Liana on the other hand has an inferiority complex that has a lot more to do with her than anyone else. She said it herself, she views herself as a black woman first and in her mind that means she is less than. So she resents people like Xander who are comfortable in their own skin. She thinks he's comfortable because he's white but imo he's comfortable in his skin because he doesn't constantly remind himself that others think he is less than. Liana is young so hopefully she grows up a little bit but her whole game showed she is a poor critical thinker and insecure. She needed other POC to make her feel accepted and empowered. Not a great way to go through life.

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How about Danny winning the individual immunity challenge!!

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Danny seems cool as hell. Really cool seeing him under the helmet, so to speak.


Didn’t know the history with him and his dad. That’s tough. Glad he’s growing and able to come closer to finding some peace with it.

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It's survivor, a game. Doesn't need a lot of unnecessary wokeness. Save that for when you aren't on the show. Most people don't want to be inundated with that nonsense non stop.

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If there were a group of hunting baws from the 4 corners of the US that bonded, made an alliance and then waxed poetic at tribal about how hunting or Jesus or whatever bound them together, y'all would be eating that shite up. You'll live through 5 minutes of a few young black people venting.

Speaking of such: I really just think Danny has represented himself splendidly. I am absolutely pulling for him to win.

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If there were a group of hunting baws from the 4 corners of the US that bonded, made an alliance and then waxed poetic at tribal about how hunting or Jesus or whatever bound them together

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The difference is they bonded over hunting or Jesus. The fact that the group of 4 bonded simply because they are black is the issue. I won't even argue that they shouldn't do that. If there is any race in America that probably has somewhat similar culture or experience anywhere in the US, it's black people.

My argument against this is it's so against what is being preached. There is constant talk about diversity and how we are stronger when we are diverse. Then, a group goes against diversity, and it's supposed to be celebrated. I won't stop watching the show because of it, but the preaching got old, and I was happy to see their alliance breakdown. I said it earlier in this thread, when an alliance is based on appearance or gender, they fall apart easily because there is no foundation.

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My argument against this is it's so against what is being preached.

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I feel like what is being preached these days is pure identity politics - the opposite of "diversity makes us stronger".

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but the preaching got old,

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Was there really much preaching? I felt like it was actually a vulnerable discussion where they didn't make any attempt to cast aspersions on the "non-diverse" players. I don't really agree with all they said - and I think Liana in particular is a bit of a confused young lady (which college student isn't?), but I felt they were articulate and non-accusatory. They also seemed to accept Xander's (and others') offerings of acknowledgement and support in good faith.

And - unlike Herbie - Jeff didn't get all weepy or maudlin himself. He sort of took it at face value and just kept the discussion going.

All in all, I think this angle really just hasn't been that bad this season. The transgender pandering ("guys!") is way more annoying to me.

And I'd like to again call out Danny for being so worthy of rooting for. He seems like he has a great head on his shoulders, is very fair, is not confrontational and has shown extreme vulnerability. What a great Tiger!

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xander is gonna be in a terrible spot if he gets to final tribal council against ricard or a black person. he will have no shot unless he just completely takes over from here on out and can own that.

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I was listening yesterday to Cesternino's exit interview with Liana. She was surprisingly likeable. She said she really likes and respects Xander and they are good friends now.

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xander is gonna be in a terrible spot if he gets to final tribal council against ricard or a black person.

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I actually think if Xander makes it, he's in a great position to win. He will have hung on when he had hardly any allies and tricked people (the idol) or won immunity challenges exactly when he needed to. I don't think most jury members (except maybe Shan or Liana) will vote for skin color or gender.