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re: Suicide Squad Rotten Tomatometer Discussion - 29%
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:00 am to monkeybutt
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:00 am to monkeybutt
quote:If that is reasonable, then it's also reasonable to say this about many action movies. It's not the norm for movies to need $800 million dollars to break even. That's insane. I can buy it for BvS, not this. There's no way. I doubt the studio was expecting more than a high of $700-$800 million for this movie.
$400 budget/marketing... which seems reasonable.
This movie falls more in line with GotG and Deadpool expectations. For reference, none of those movies made $800 million. There's no way the studio expected more than that after coming off of BvS.
This post was edited on 8/3/16 at 11:09 am
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Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:03 am to monkeybutt
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I think the rule of thumb is that the studio takes home about half of the box office, so a $550 million all in budget including marketing would need to make $1.1 billion to break even. So I would assume the $800 figure is based on a $400 budget/marketing... which seems reasonable.
But don't studios also make a lot with with licensing, advertising fees, DVD's, etc? That covers a lot of the marketing costs.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:03 am to monkeybutt
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I think the rule of thumb is that the studio takes home about half of the box office, so a $550 million all in budget including marketing would need to make $1.1 billion to break even. So I would assume the $800 figure is based on a $400 budget/marketing... which seems reasonable.
the box office isnt that simple. it varies based on the weeks and # of theaters. i think the studios take home more than half during the opening weekend. then the theaters get increased % based on how long its in theaters. multiple theaters have told me, they dont make shite from the box office sales. its all concessions. thats why theaters have expanded so much in that section. studios take home large majority of sales.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:04 am to RLDSC FAN
So is this movie a bomb or what?
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:06 am to SabiDojo
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So is this movie a bomb or what?
Yeah, they're cancelling all screenings. No one here will see it for sure.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:06 am to BlacknGold
quote:I know that for a fact. It's more like 80%-90% the first weekend, then it works it's way to around 50% over time. This was discussed to death after BvS.
the box office isnt that simple. it varies based on the weeks and # of theaters. i think the studios take home more than half during the opening weekend.
This post was edited on 8/3/16 at 11:10 am
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:08 am to BlacknGold
i always thought the studio took home 100% opening wknd and the theaters got a high percentage as the weeks went on.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:12 am to abellsujr
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then it's also reasonable to say this about many action movies.
I don't think a $200 million dollar budget with $200 spent on advertising covers alot of action movies.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:15 am to BlacknGold
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the box office isnt that simple. it varies based on the weeks and # of theaters. i think the studios take home more than half during the opening weekend. then the theaters get increased % based on how long its in theaters. multiple theaters have told me, they dont make shite from the box office sales. its all concessions. thats why theaters have expanded so much in that section. studios take home large majority of sales.
I've heard/read the same, with the first weekend pretty much all $ going to the studio
And overseas box office take homes are even more different
This post was edited on 8/3/16 at 11:16 am
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:17 am to monkeybutt
quote:Exactly. Where is there any evidence that SS cost that much? I've seen no reports or "insiders". BvS had articles coming out like crazy at this time. Most are saying that SS's problem is not whether or not it will make money, but how good is it.
I don't think a $200 million dollar budget with $200 spent on advertising covers alot of action movies.
This post was edited on 8/3/16 at 11:20 am
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:20 am to abellsujr
Oh I was just basing off of your hypothetical numbers. I've seen $175 for budget on SS. For comparison, Deadpool was like $58
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:21 am to monkeybutt
quote:Then we agree.
I've seen $175 for budget on SS.
quote:And also for comparison, GotG had a budget of over $200 million. It made less than $800 million and is considered a HUGE success.
For comparison, Deadpool was like $58
This post was edited on 8/3/16 at 11:33 am
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:22 am to monkeybutt
Quint from AICN reviewed it
quote:LINK
It's not a Fantastic Four level disaster, but I almost want to rag on it even more for having so many good elements in place and squandering them.
You may disagree and that's cool. There's enough cool stuff in here that I get it, but I wanted there to be a better script and story for these awesome actors to play with and will always see this as a missed opportunity.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:27 am to monkeybutt
The reshoots put it up to $250 million. $175 was the original budget, but it went over. That doesn't include marketing.
Also, despite the revies, the film is tracking to make something like $115 million in the first weekend. This movie is review proof. It's more about word of mouth afterwards (like BvS) and how much it drops in week two. People planning to see the movie aren't suddenly going to not see it because Peter Travers thinks its garbage.
Also, despite the revies, the film is tracking to make something like $115 million in the first weekend. This movie is review proof. It's more about word of mouth afterwards (like BvS) and how much it drops in week two. People planning to see the movie aren't suddenly going to not see it because Peter Travers thinks its garbage.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:32 am to The Egg
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You may disagree and that's cool. There's enough cool stuff in here that I get it, but I wanted there to be a better script and story for these awesome actors to play with and will always see this as a missed opportunity.
This is what's so disappointing to hear. Several critics have noted that the film has greatness in it, but it just doesn't come together. I'm so hoping that David Ayer gets to release a directors cut.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:33 am to Baloo
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The reshoots put it up to $250 million. $175 was the original budget, but it went over. That doesn't include marketing.
Also, despite the revies, the film is tracking to make something like $115 million in the first weekend
IF that $250M is correct, add marketing, and a opening weekend of $115M would be a big disappointment. BvS was at $250M before marketing and opened with $166M
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:34 am to RLDSC FAN
quote:Have you seen what was cut, yet? I won't post it yet, but that discussion will be a lot of fun in the spoilers thread.
This is what's so disappointing to hear. Several critics have noted that the film has greatness in it, but it just doesn't come together. I'm so hoping that David Ayer gets to release a directors cut.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:36 am to abellsujr
I have, apparently they cut a lot of the Joker scenes. WB was pretty scared to upset some people with the abuse scenes.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:37 am to jg8623
quote:I think the idea is that some people believe it cost more than $250 million. If it actually cost $250 million, there's no way it doesn't make a profit at $800 million. For an example, GotG cost over $200 million to make, yet it made under $800 million. It was a HUGE success. I think some people believe that WB is lying about the costs. Whether in marketing or otherwise.
IF that $250M is correct, add marketing, and a opening weekend of $115M would be a big disappointment. BvS was at $250M before marketing and opened with $166M
This post was edited on 8/3/16 at 11:41 am
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:42 am to abellsujr
Well if it costs 250+ it better have a bigger opening than $115M or end up being a movie would great word of mouth so it doesn't drop off big each week
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