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re: Started a Mad Men rewatch
Posted on 8/11/26 at 2:38 pm to Fewer Kilometers
Posted on 8/11/26 at 2:38 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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My wife swore that Sal being gay came out of nowhere
He's a flaming gay from the minute he's on screen and they make it painfully obvious how much he's trying to overcompensate for that in S1.
If that character doesn't set off a gaydar from S1E1 onward, you don't have a gaydar.
Posted on 8/11/26 at 3:44 pm to TideSaint
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Started a Mad Men rewatch
Just finished a rewatch as of yesterday.
It had been a while since I've watched it. And yeah, like so many have said there may have been some now obvious things that I missed when I first watched it.
When it first came out when I was in high school or colleage I knew quite a few buddies that loved Draper. And I got it. Cool job. Corner office in an NYC high-rise. Rich. Beautiful wife. Handsome guy that women threw themselves at. Gets to drink at work. And to this day, he can definitely be an extremely cool character.
Years later, when Hamm was doing an interview he mentioned how much he hated the character (not playing it, just how terrible of a person Draper was). I guess I didn't really get it until a rewatch.
The amount of what would be absolutely mortifying moments for me that he went through, like throwing up a funeral, getting knocked out by a bunch of hitchhikers, embarrassing yourself at work, all the infidelity, was astounding.
But it also very much in line with his character. I didn't realize until yesterday that he preached "Forward," until the very last episode. It was a really compelling, and probably pretty accurate, character. Someone that can do terrible things that hurt a lot of people, completely forget about it, feel guilty for a very short time when their behavior is called out, but then ultimately repeat the cycle over and over again.
This post was edited on 8/11/26 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 8/11/26 at 3:46 pm to CatfishJohn
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If that character doesn't set off a gaydar from S1E1 onward, you don't have a gaydar.
Yea, I had no idea people missed that.
I'm sure it has been discussed but the actor's parents founded Pontchartrain Beach amusement park. Newman/Tulane kid. You can see him pretty regularly at his store on magazine (Hazelnut).
Posted on 8/11/26 at 3:54 pm to DoomGuy504
That's cool 
Posted on 8/11/26 at 3:55 pm to DoomGuy504
Kind of crazy they never brought him back towards the end given they did for other characters with similar smaller/side arcs
Posted on 8/11/26 at 4:23 pm to tigerbait2010
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I am truly not sure I can trust someone who does not have Mad Men a top 5 series.
Correction
...top 3
Posted on 8/11/26 at 4:28 pm to CatfishJohn
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Just dropping in to say two things:
1. I love this show
2. I hate Elizabeth Moss and her stupid face
+1000
Agreed
Her being fawned over was ridiculous, and to this day I think her being cast in that role is one of only two character mistakes and miscasts of the show. She is one fugly bit(h. The other being Glen. That freak was a terrible actor.
Posted on 8/11/26 at 5:07 pm to theGarnetWay
To get a little philosophical here how don is viewed the difference between male adolescence and manhood.
Don lives a 100% self centered life with no regard for others even his family. And given his upbringing (no father figure and raised in a whorehouse it makes sense) when you are younger all you focus on is he knows what he wants and goes out and gets it no matter if it takes lying etc to get there. (Makes him perfect for advertising lol)
As an adult what you notice is the collateral damage.
Ted chough his kids etc.
Don lives a 100% self centered life with no regard for others even his family. And given his upbringing (no father figure and raised in a whorehouse it makes sense) when you are younger all you focus on is he knows what he wants and goes out and gets it no matter if it takes lying etc to get there. (Makes him perfect for advertising lol)
As an adult what you notice is the collateral damage.
Ted chough his kids etc.
Posted on 8/11/26 at 5:08 pm to coolpapaboze
Roger Sterling - best character on the show
Posted on 8/11/26 at 5:14 pm to hogcard1964
quote:Peggy was there to accentuate the hotness of Joan and Betty Draper.
I think her being cast in that role is one of only two character mistakes and miscasts of the show. She is one fugly bit(h.
Posted on 8/11/26 at 5:38 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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Peggy was there to accentuate the hotness of Joan and Betty Draper.
Well that worked then, because she wasn't easy to look at.
Did I hear correctly that she previously dated Tom Cruise? If true, WTH was he thinking?
Posted on 8/11/26 at 5:52 pm to hogcard1964
quote:Not true.
Did I hear correctly that she previously dated Tom Cruise? If true, WTH was he thinking?
Also, anyone Tom dates is set up by his agent or Miscavige.
Posted on 8/11/26 at 6:02 pm to drizztiger
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Not true
Good to know.
Posted on 8/11/26 at 8:07 pm to drizztiger
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Also, anyone Tom dates is set up by his agent or Miscavige.
This is literally true at least since Nicole.
Moss was born into Scientology, so on one hand, I can give her a little slack (because she doesn't know any differently).
On the other hand, she's a rich celebrity and can look things up on the internet about some of the *ahem* "unusual" practices of the "church".
Posted on 8/12/26 at 7:33 am to Ace Midnight
Just can't get into this show. My wife loves it.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 11:50 am to hogcard1964
quote:I sort of agree, but also think that was kind of the point. They needed someone with a not obvious appeal that kind of grows on you, not an obvious bombshell, smart, and not as "accessible" as the other women in the office, which was a huge part of her appeal. Elisabeth Moss pulled that off I think. That said, she seems to be struggling a bit lately, if you've seen recent pics.
Her being fawned over was ridiculous, and to this day I think her being cast in that role is one of only two character mistakes and miscasts of the show.
The character I changed my mind about during the rewatch is Pete Campbell. I hated him during the first watch, but gained an real appreciation for him and his character on second viewing. Kartheiser owned that role, then basically disappeared.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 12:53 pm to coolpapaboze
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They needed someone with a not obvious appeal that kind of grows on you, not an obvious bombshell, smart, and not as "accessible" as the other women in the office, which was a huge part of her appeal. Elisabeth Moss pulled that off I think. That said, she seems to be struggling a bit lately, if you've seen recent pics.
People also overestimate how much she was “fawned over”. In season 1 she’s fresh meat in the office. She is constantly criticized for not dressing sexier and being frumpy in the office by Joan, Pete and other people in the office. Those guys were humping then leg of every women that stepped foot in that office at that time. Pete ends up sleeping with her and knocking her up after a 1 night stand mostly from his anxiety about his impending wedding, and feeling at the time that he was not getting what he was “owed” in the office. Also he was shitfaced on his bachelor party the night it happened
For the rest of the series, she dates a few different people but it’s not like she’s bagging the Don Drapers of the world. She dates the beatnik she met through a friend who was an a-hole, has an affair with old arse Duck, has another affair with a married and depressed Ted, and ultimately ends up with Stan who they grew a connection with over years of working in the office together
I get she’s not traditionally attractive but let’s not pretend she couldn’t score a date or a boyfriend either
Also not sure if this show works near as well with another actress. She’s incredible in this show. Her unique chemistry with Don in a platonic way is a huge component to why it works so well. The suitcase is a tour de force performance by both of them.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 1:03 pm to coolpapaboze
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The character I changed my mind about during the rewatch is Pete Campbell. I hated him during the first watch, but gained an real appreciation for him and his character on second viewing. Kartheiser owned that role, then basically disappeared.
I agree, Kartheiser did a great job with him. Hated him early, but at the end I liked him.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 1:44 pm to wildtigercat93
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The show really hits its glide once they move past the Dick Whitman stuff in season 1.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 2:57 pm to RedFoxx
Totally forgot the storyline of Cosgrove getting published in Atlantic Monthly and how jealous Paul and Pete got over it.
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