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Star Wars what could have been- nostalgia, not spoilers
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:13 am
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:13 am
Anytime there's a new Star Wars movie released, I go back to that magical time in my life when the original movie was released, I was 8, and we fans were given so much fertile soil to imagine what could be.
I don't mean the EU, I'm going back to pre ESB days. Things were so insane back then...
Star Wars emerged as a modern fairy tale and mythos. Bizarre, diverse and dangerous galaxy (the Cantina scene fueled that), ruled by the Empire, an ambiguous Nazi regime that oversaw and oppressed, and Vader was the ultimate scary bad guy. Sometimes that rule was imposed by a squad of Stormtroopers and little else, and daily life was lawless and full of colorful characters.
Luke was an Everyman young guy who used a blaster, and happened to have the only lightsaber left (other than Vader's), and the Force was a mystery that could maybe grant him the plot device to get out of trouble that should kill him. Luke had the hots for Leia, a pretty young refugee/resistance fighter, who liked Luke but might be secretly more attracted to Han, the COOL (emphasis added) anti-hero who has a soft spot for Luke, but is otherwise as dangerous as they come. And of course, Han hung out with Chewie and had a cool ship, and worried more about dealing with Jabba (the anonymous gangster with a hit on him) than the Empire... but he'd get in trouble with both factions and have to shoot his way out of both.
Pre-Empire, we had a daily comic strip in the newspaper (and everyone got the paper, so that was universal), we had a comic book line (Marvel, I think- I still have the big movie adaptation, and remember reading the later comic books), books (Splinter of the Mind's Eye, Han Solo at Star's End, etc). Everything was fabulous.
I wish they could have expanded on that part some.
I think some of the issue I have with the current films are- I don't want to know how my beloved heroes die (like Han in TFA), I want to see their adventures. Even considering the complete OT removed some of that romantic mystery, I still wish we could have seen Star Wars movies with the characters in their prime, having adventures that aren't world-ending maybe, but fun escapades.
How could they make movies about our favorite characters, when the actors have aged? With careful casting, that's how:
Sebastian Stan as Luke, for starters.
Who could play Leia? Han? I'm sure they are out there. I'd love to see pictures of the actors. Remember, the acting skills don't have to be fantastic (the originals weren't), but they have to be dead-ringers.
I don't mean the EU, I'm going back to pre ESB days. Things were so insane back then...
Star Wars emerged as a modern fairy tale and mythos. Bizarre, diverse and dangerous galaxy (the Cantina scene fueled that), ruled by the Empire, an ambiguous Nazi regime that oversaw and oppressed, and Vader was the ultimate scary bad guy. Sometimes that rule was imposed by a squad of Stormtroopers and little else, and daily life was lawless and full of colorful characters.
Luke was an Everyman young guy who used a blaster, and happened to have the only lightsaber left (other than Vader's), and the Force was a mystery that could maybe grant him the plot device to get out of trouble that should kill him. Luke had the hots for Leia, a pretty young refugee/resistance fighter, who liked Luke but might be secretly more attracted to Han, the COOL (emphasis added) anti-hero who has a soft spot for Luke, but is otherwise as dangerous as they come. And of course, Han hung out with Chewie and had a cool ship, and worried more about dealing with Jabba (the anonymous gangster with a hit on him) than the Empire... but he'd get in trouble with both factions and have to shoot his way out of both.
Pre-Empire, we had a daily comic strip in the newspaper (and everyone got the paper, so that was universal), we had a comic book line (Marvel, I think- I still have the big movie adaptation, and remember reading the later comic books), books (Splinter of the Mind's Eye, Han Solo at Star's End, etc). Everything was fabulous.
I wish they could have expanded on that part some.
I think some of the issue I have with the current films are- I don't want to know how my beloved heroes die (like Han in TFA), I want to see their adventures. Even considering the complete OT removed some of that romantic mystery, I still wish we could have seen Star Wars movies with the characters in their prime, having adventures that aren't world-ending maybe, but fun escapades.
How could they make movies about our favorite characters, when the actors have aged? With careful casting, that's how:
Sebastian Stan as Luke, for starters.
Who could play Leia? Han? I'm sure they are out there. I'd love to see pictures of the actors. Remember, the acting skills don't have to be fantastic (the originals weren't), but they have to be dead-ringers.
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Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:15 am to Scoob
BilJ once told me that Emma Starr would make a nice Princess Leia
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:17 am to Scoob
quote:
Who could play Leia?
Carrie Fisher's daughter.
quote:
Star Wars what could have been- nostalgia
The same posters on this board blasting The Last Jedi, blasted The Force Awakens for being nothing but nostalgia.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:21 am to Scoob
That picture is a photoshop, i mean they do look similar but not THAT similar. Its the same face in both pictures 
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:31 am to The Godfather
quote:Ok, but you get the point. Give us people that are doppelgangers, as close as possible in the face. Someone mentioned a porn star (I looked and didn't see the resemblance btw); let's be honest, these aren't profound acting roles requiring the best-ever actors. I'm pretty sure a porn star who looked right could, if she played the role straight, do as good a job as Carrie Fisher did back then.
That picture is a photoshop, i mean they do look similar but not THAT similar. Its the same face in both pictures
Luke would have to be a bit whiny, but generally eager for action. Han would have to be cocky and smug, but occasionally serious and perturbed/annoyed about whatever he's stuck in, and have to go "frick, now I have to do ____ to get out of this".
Everyone else? Costumes, etc. Vader and Chewy need to be tall. That's it.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:42 am to Scoob
quote:
Han would have to be cocky and smug, but occasionally serious and perturbed/annoyed about whatever he's stuck in, and have to go "frick, now I have to do ____ to get out of this".
That role has already been cast:
Based on the pic, there will be female characters in the movie so be prepared for more "muh SJW" outrage.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:46 am to Scoob
The real and only solution is for the current generation to get their own damn Star Wars. At this point, it's just a corporate entertainment property. Anyway, it's like Heroin Hero. You'll never recapture that original feeling. You'll never catch the dragon.
Guardians seems like it might be Star Wars for kids who are the age I was when Star Wars came out. Even if it's not, I think they'll come with something good eventually.
Guardians seems like it might be Star Wars for kids who are the age I was when Star Wars came out. Even if it's not, I think they'll come with something good eventually.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:57 am to blueboy
quote:
The real and only solution is for the current generation to get their own damn Star Wars
They are with Rian Johnson's new trilogy
Will be better with him writing the plot start to finish IMO than this back and forth with the ST
Posted on 12/15/17 at 12:38 pm to Scoob
quote:
Anytime there's a new Star Wars movie released, I go back to that magical time in my life when the original movie was released, I was 8, and we fans were given so much fertile soil to imagine what could be.
I don't mean the EU, I'm going back to pre ESB days. Things were so insane back then...
Star Wars emerged as a modern fairy tale and mythos. Bizarre, diverse and dangerous galaxy (the Cantina scene fueled that), ruled by the Empire, an ambiguous Nazi regime that oversaw and oppressed, and Vader was the ultimate scary bad guy. Sometimes that rule was imposed by a squad of Stormtroopers and little else, and daily life was lawless and full of colorful characters.
Luke was an Everyman young guy who used a blaster, and happened to have the only lightsaber left (other than Vader's), and the Force was a mystery that could maybe grant him the plot device to get out of trouble that should kill him. Luke had the hots for Leia, a pretty young refugee/resistance fighter, who liked Luke but might be secretly more attracted to Han, the COOL (emphasis added) anti-hero who has a soft spot for Luke, but is otherwise as dangerous as they come. And of course, Han hung out with Chewie and had a cool ship, and worried more about dealing with Jabba (the anonymous gangster with a hit on him) than the Empire... but he'd get in trouble with both factions and have to shoot his way out of both.
Pre-Empire, we had a daily comic strip in the newspaper (and everyone got the paper, so that was universal), we had a comic book line (Marvel, I think- I still have the big movie adaptation, and remember reading the later comic books), books (Splinter of the Mind's Eye, Han Solo at Star's End, etc). Everything was fabulous.
Now this is a legit Star Wars protest thread. Those really were the days.
As is the case with most things in literature/cinema, sometimes the more information we get the less we are satisfied. The unknown allows our imagination to go to places the medium can't necessarily measure up to.
Solid post Scoob, have a treat
This post was edited on 12/15/17 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:27 pm to Scoob
As for your question, while Scott Eastwood is a chip off the Clint block, I think he could pull off that young Harrison Ford look pretty well too.
Leia is tougher, but Leighton Meester has a solid look for it. Although may not have the acting chops to pull it off.
Leia is tougher, but Leighton Meester has a solid look for it. Although may not have the acting chops to pull it off.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 2:20 pm to Tiger Voodoo
quote:I think I like this idea better than the offical choice
As for your question, while Scott Eastwood is a chip off the Clint block, I think he could pull off that young Harrison Ford look pretty well too.
his face just doesn't look quite right, should be a little leaner or something. Also, if you're going to play opposite Stan as Luke, you should look a little older,
and the new guy isn't quite old enough
quote:
Leia is tougher, but Leighton Meester has a solid look for it. Although may not have the acting chops to pull it off.
She looks about right, I think hair could make it work. I don't know about acting chops, but we're not talking Shakespeare here... she should be able to be spunky/haughty, with a little coyness and vulnerability as needed. Leia at that stage is not a deep, pensive character.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 2:27 pm to Scoob
Lets be honest Scoob, there has never been a magical part of your life. Its mainly been a collection of heartbraking rejections and dissappointments followed by feverish periods of obsessive masturbation. But if you think you could make a star wars people like yourself would go apeshit over, write a script. Odds are nothing would have your audience happy so no one really cares what this thread is about.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 3:03 pm to Rou Leed
quote:huh? ummm... wow
Lets be honest Scoob, there has never been a magical part of your life. Its mainly been a collection of heartbraking rejections and dissappointments followed by feverish periods of obsessive masturbation. But if you think you could make a star wars people like yourself would go apeshit over, write a script. Odds are nothing would have your audience happy so no one really cares what this thread is about.
Ok, I guess you feel better now.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 5:14 pm to Scoob
Sorry Scoob. You are a good dude. There is a section of the audience that likes being dissappointed. There is no pleasing some.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 7:05 pm to Rou Leed
quote:
Sorry Scoob. You are a good dude. There is a section of the audience that likes being dissappointed. There is no pleasing some.
I figure you were blasting away at the complainers. I haven't seen the movie yet. I just kind of oppose pre-ordering movie tickets a month in advance. I might be busy that day doing something else, etc.
I will go when the initial rush dies down, and I can walk up and get seats.
My post refers back to the original magic of Star Wars, before things developed into the original trilogy. It was our Errol Flynn movie, dashing and romantic and set against an amazing backdrop.
I will point this out to the people screaming about the current movie and the directions it took-
after seeing Star Wars, there was a whole lot of fantasizing about that, those characters, and the directions it could go. By myself as a young boy, yes; but by a whole lot of other people too, probably a great many adults. I'm sure there was speculation about whether Leia would finally hook up with Luke or Han, and what would happen when Luke finally met up with Darth Vader.
I'm quite certain the "smart money" was that Luke and Leia would be the couple, and that Han wouldn't let that affect him and his 'big brother' role for Luke.
Luke, as stated, was the everyday kid, as well as the hero... that's the guy who gets the girl in these stories.
Luke feared Han would take her, but that's because Han was so much cooler and more of a bad boy. But in Star Wars, Luke and Leia might be late teens to early 20's, and Han looks mid-30's. Luke was infatuated, but as Han said, "no reward is worth this"... he's been around the block a few times. Getting a steady girlfriend who was barely 20 would cramp his style.
And as the movie seemed to show- he didn't do it for the rebellion, or even for Leia. He seemed to feel remorse for the poor dumb kid who was getting himself killed over her, and he came back to cover Luke's arse in the fight, not rescue Leia and fly off. Remember, he tried one last time to talk him out of it; you're pretty good in a scrap, we could use you.
Like a big brother or a surrogate dad.
Point being, NOBODY saw the brother/sister thing coming, or I Am Your Father. It didn't really mesh with the original movie, and it didn't fit the stereotypal storyline either.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 7:34 pm to Tiger Voodoo
quote:yeah, ain't that the truth!
As is the case with most things in literature/cinema, sometimes the more information we get the less we are satisfied. The unknown allows our imagination to go to places the medium can't necessarily measure up to.
Star Wars is just one example of that... after the first movie, we had a timeless adventure tale, the farm boy rescues the princess and saves everyone, helped by his unlikely friendship with the roguish pirate.
Set in space, with (for the time) incredibly detailed and realistic visuals. You could extrapolate a million storylines from that (as happened before 1980), and have wonderful, if less significant in the grand scheme of things, adventures. Always under pursuit by the oppressive Nazis (I mean, Empire
), and quite often, by Han's old colleagues, the criminal element (we really only got Boba Fett from that). But we are led to assume Han and Chewie would be at least the equal to the other criminals ("even I get boarded", and a pack of faceless Stormtroopers weren't a match for the level of badassedness Han and Chewie possessed: going back to the cantina scene, there's that guy Luke gets in a scrap with, full of talk and bluster. He picks on Luke because he's a weak, wide-eyed innocent. Ben settles that shite in a hurry.
Han doesn't talk trash, until you question whether he can really do what he said he could; and he just points out who he is. He doesn't pick a fight for no reason, but when Greedo comes up and starts shite, he shoots him... because he's an amateur who pulled a gun on him without checking Han's hands, and proceeded to talk shite.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 8:47 pm to Scoob
quote:
I'm quite certain the "smart money" was that Luke and Leia would be the couple, and that Han wouldn't let that affect him and his 'big brother' role for Luke.
Luke, as stated, was the everyday kid, as well as the hero... that's the guy who gets the girl in these stories.
Luke feared Han would take her, but that's because Han was so much cooler and more of a bad boy. But in Star Wars, Luke and Leia might be late teens to early 20's, and Han looks mid-30's. Luke was infatuated, but as Han said, "no reward is worth this"... he's been around the block a few times. Getting a steady girlfriend who was barely 20 would cramp his style.
And as the movie seemed to show- he didn't do it for the rebellion, or even for Leia. He seemed to feel remorse for the poor dumb kid who was getting himself killed over her, and he came back to cover Luke's arse in the fight, not rescue Leia and fly off. Remember, he tried one last time to talk him out of it; you're pretty good in a scrap, we could use you.
Like a big brother or a surrogate dad.
Point being, NOBODY saw the brother/sister thing coming, or I Am Your Father. It didn't really mesh with the original movie, and it didn't fit the stereotypal storyline either.
Killing it in this thread Scoob. You’re right. It’s easy to forget how out of the blue those revelations were, especially after THREE damn YEARS of guesses for how things would shake out.
This post was edited on 12/15/17 at 8:54 pm
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:06 pm to Scoob
The Zahn trilogy.
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