re: Star Wars Viewing Figures Show Disturbing Lack of Faith in Sequel Trilogy

remember when Max Von Sydow was in the beginning of the movie, ostensibly, as some sort of significant / important character, and then we literally never hear a single other word about him for the entire trilogy

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As a purely movie standpoint, it really isn't a very good movie. Story is a mess, very forgetable characters and dialogue. That being said, it has some absolutely amazing scenes and some of the better action sequences and stuff of any star wars cinema. 

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It's a love letter to the original trilogy, which is why its so beloved despite its many flaws.

Pacing to start with. The movie couldn't figure out where to start, so it had about 5 or 6 different beginnings to start the movie in the first act and spent the majority of it just jumping aorund from flashback to planet to flashback to planet. I think the premise behind the intentional design flaw was completely silly. Not to mention the pacing again of Jyn watching the rebels completely murder her father in front of her and within minutes is all good and ready to lead them "because that is what he would have wanted", even though she already didn't give a shite about them before he was murdered. The vent itself didn't need any additional explaining and it didn't actually need to be a design "flaw" to begin with. Also, as far as an intentional design flaw goes, may be the dumbest way someone on the inside could make a weakness. ANH works better under the idea that no matter how powerful an opponent, a weakness can be found, not we put in a weakness thankfully otherwise we would have been screwed.

Largely though it doesn't build anything with the characters, relies almost compeltely on exposition dumping followed by pointless filler after filler until they finally go for the plans and get into the final act, which I think overall was well done. However the first two acts are just a thrown together heap of thin, forgettable character development and haphazard pacing.

All that being said, it is one of the better things that has come out of the Disney era, but that isn't saying much. It is getting very strongly carried by the action sequences in the final act, which are objectively very, very good. They never would, but I'd love a remake of the general story of stealing the death star plans as a final season of Andor. That show has really made Rogue One's flaws get exemplified.

Its final act really is pretty excellent. I just wish I didn't have to sit through the first two to get there.

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They have thousand of years of Jedi and Sith stories to play with yet they keep focusing on the same timeline.

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It's really insane. They cannot fricking let go of the Rebellion.

Serious question. Did all of you feel this way about the sequels as soon as you walked out of the theater, seeing it for the first time? I feel like I always leave Star Wars movies trying to talk myself into them being good. I am an optimistic loyalist to a fault. I remember walking out of the TLD feeling very strange about what I just saw, but still trying to talk myself into it being good. I even bought the Blu-ray when it came out. But not too long after that, I realized I completely hate it more than any movie that has ever been made. I guess more than anything, I feel a deep shame for not seeing it immediately as the crap sandwich it obviously was. lol. Is anyone else like this? The only movie I felt loyal to that I walked out disgusted after was the 4th Indiana Jones movie that doesn't exist.

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Serious question. Did all of you feel this way about the sequels as soon as you walked out of the theater, seeing it for the first time? I feel like I always leave Star Wars movies trying to talk myself into them being good. I am an optimistic loyalist to a fault. I remember walking out of the TLD feeling very strange about what I just saw, but still trying to talk myself into it being good. I even bought the Blu-ray when it came out. But not too long after that, I realized I completely hate it more than any movie that has ever been made. I guess more than anything, I feel a deep shame for not seeing it immediately as the crap sandwich it obviously was. lol. Is anyone else like this? The only movie I felt loyal to that I walked out disgusted after was the 4th Indiana Jones movie that doesn't exist.

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i walked out of every prequel movie back in the day feeling that i liked the movies. it was after repeated viewings that i really came to dislike them.

i left Force Awakens totally pumped about it. still like it fine, but it has been severely retroactively damanged by its successors

The Last Jedi was the first one that I walked out of thinking "wtf did i jsut watch" - have only seen it once

Rise of Skywalker i was pretty much like "frick this" after the first thirty minutes - have only seen it once

Diversity, feelings, dinosaurs.. NOT WAR!

Star Wars writers board.

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AOTC is easily 8th out of 8, even when extending a kindness to TFA and including it in the mainline trilogies & rightfully including Rogue One.

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AOTC > PM

They’re both terrible but at least AOTC has a purpose to the overall plot of franchise. If you completely removed PM, the franchise doesn’t lose anything.

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Serious question. Did all of you feel this way about the sequels as soon as you walked out of the theater, seeing it for the first time? I feel like I always leave Star Wars movies trying to talk myself into them being good. I am an optimistic loyalist to a fault. I remember walking out of the TLD feeling very strange about what I just saw, but still trying to talk myself into it being good. I even bought the Blu-ray when it came out. But not too long after that, I realized I completely hate it more than any movie that has ever been made. I guess more than anything, I feel a deep shame for not seeing it immediately as the crap sandwich it obviously was. lol. Is anyone else like this?

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I felt that way with the prequels. I was so, so excited for a new Star Wars, that I tried to overlook the many, many flaws of The Phantom Menace and convince myself it was good. I clung to the better lightsaber choreography (Maul vs Kenobi and Jinn) awhile. And to an extent, I did the same with The Clone Wars and Revenge of the Sith. The prequels were a good source of information on the universe they'd created, but severely lacked as actual good movies on their own right.

Didn't happen with the sequels. I was cringing with The Force Awakens by the time they introduced Han as a broken deadbeat bum who'd lost Leia and the Falcon, and it never really got better. Each movie was worse; I was disgusted by the time I left The Last Jedi, and I honestly don't think I saw the final one until streaming.

I hope the Tolkien Estate looks long and hard at what happened to Star Wars, and curates their property better. LOTR was fantastic, as was the Star Wars OT... but it's been proven you can destroy even the best, if you put enough shite out.