re: Star Wars: TFA -Official Discussion Thread - Spoilers

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I don't get why so many are caught up on three things. Female lead, black lead and Adam's looks.

first off Rey was better as a female, they have not had that arc yet and every other character is a guy. I liked seeing the girls get excited when Rey showed her force powers, it's great that they can play with Star Wars toys now too.

Blueboy had a thread a few months back calling it an agenda to have a black lead and then called it "Blaxplotation" in this thread. For what, having a black lead? I think Finn was a good character and gave many of the best lines in the movie.

Finally Adam's looks, is he playing an evil bastard with issues or a model or love interest? Most psychopaths and murderers and criminally insane are not "beautiful people"

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It's because they're trolls or idiots. And as I've said, there isn't a single screenwriter or producer who wouldn't have made the main character a female. It's a rhetorical question whether you make the protagonist of the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy a male or a female. The female give you much more new grounds and creativity than a male does. It has to be a female for completely non-PC reasons, and the film completely shows this. Rey will go down as one of the best heroes ever when this is all said and done.

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I don't get why so many are caught up on three things. Female lead, black lead and Adam's looks.

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Fear of the opposite sex, racism, homophobia.

Strong females intimidate weak males. Ron Swanson isn't afraid of independent and strong women. I'll leave the "black lead" for someone else. God knows America hates black entertainers. As far as Adam Driver, why one guy cares so much about how another guy looks, I dunno. OMG he's so ugly, has a huge nose, why do girls love him? Should I love him? No I hate him. He's ugly.

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They made the female lead a complete tomboy, with little depth and so much cheese.

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I disagree. They introduce her with a 3 minute segment with no dialog. This tells you all you need to know about her and they do it brilliantly. The segment of being introduced to Rey is better than every moment in the prequels combined. She's very deep and certainly passes the Plinkett Test.

This thread has gone down in a hurry thanks to fools nitpicking the shite out of something a billion times better than the prequels.

God damn

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quote: He was approaching Jar-Jar binks Level stereotype


Explain.

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Look. I went into this movie blind. No preconditions. I hoped it would be so much better than the prequels, Which I didn't outright dislike.

But Finn's character, from the very first line, was so much "urban spunk" that it took away any originality that could have been.

The 3rd black guy in the galaxy and you have him spouting Good Times level lines? I almost expected a "what you talkin bout Solo?" A time or two. And didn't get anything all that removed from it.

Lando was a better character than Finn.
Mace Windu was a Better character than Finn.

He was a damn stereotype through and through. It was comical to watch it and reminded me of the black character from spaceballs.

This whole movie was spaceballs-esque and once I accepted that I was laughing throughout.

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hollywood is going crazy over her performance even those that disliked the movie.

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They have to. But in reality she was middle of the road. Not that she acted it that poorly but the whole character was so predictable and forced. That scene where she's trying to Obi-wan the pitiful excuse for a storm trooper is laughable.

Leia was an amazing female lead in the original trilogy.

Rey got nowhere close to that.

And Kylo Ren is a worse major villain than any in Star Wars I've seen.

And the general guy?

He reminded me of the Matrix dude from grandma's boy.

And what was with the Ridiculous huge headed Giant of a Major villain?
Absolute crap

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I remember when Episode I came out, everybody was losing their mind about how awesome it was and generally having fanboy orgasms about it.

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How old were you when Episode I came out?

They only part that I thought kind of drug on or stunk was when Kylo was trying to read Rey's mind for like 10 minutes with no dialogue.

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How old were you when Episode I came out?

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13. But I also had many older relatives who were in awe of it at first. "Darth Maul was a badass!" "That pod race was sweet!" "So glad Star Wars is back!" "The light saber fight was insane!"
Things of that nature. My point is that in our rush to be excited about the new Star Wars films, we cut them more slack than any other movies are ever allowed. Our fanboy lenses prevent us from seeing the truth, that this was (IMO) an extremely average film. Less than average, really, when you consider that J.J. Abrams took two years to essentially remake Episode IV. We're just all like, "cool, star destroyers, and death star type things, and tie fighters fighting x-wings, so sweet! Oh, and Han dies, no fricking way!"

Another point to consider: when Abrams redid Star Trek, the fans comments were very similar to what we see now: a lot of people who were adamant that it was awesome, and a minority of people who didn't like it. By the time the second film rolled around... well you know how that went. Most Trekkies have come to the group consensus that he ruined the Trek remakes. I think this trilogy will be similar for Star Wars fans.

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As I thought. And you have dumb relatives.

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Not really, I count two doctors, an engineer, and a college math professor in my family among those who watched it.

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I saw TPM opening day and walked away in disgust. Audience clapped opening scroll and withered away into a complete WTF state.

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You are either a liar or have a terrible memory. I watched it in theaters three different times, and the audience was cheering and clapping each time. When the video was released my brothers and I couldn't get it at first because so many people had pre-ordered it. LINK

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For JJ to draw on what started a global empire worth $4 billion seems quite logical to me.

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He didn't "draw on" it, he literally copied it, turn by turn.

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I'd love to know what the 1% really wanted of this movie.

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First, we are way more than 1%. Obviously no way of knowing the real percentage, but just based off this board and a poll of my friends, I'm guessing somewhere around 30% minimum. Second, as for what I wanted, oh, I don't know, maybe an ounce of creativity or a shred of a new storyline! I'm fine with certain parallels, obviously you are always going to have the dark side vs light side, light saber fights, dogfights, impossible odds, that sort of thing. But I mean, seriously, there was almost nothing original in this film. And that is because J.J. Abrams sucks. He knows how to get the big-budget films pushed through on time, he promotes them well, and he generally delivers great sales, I'll grant him that. In terms of crafting a great and innovative story though- not so much.

It's like eating candy, cleverly packaged and really awesome at the time and gets you super amped up, but nothing of substance that will stick with you for long.