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re: Star Wars: TFA -Official Discussion Thread - Spoilers

Posted on 12/18/15 at 4:05 pm to
Posted by blueboy
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Posted on 12/18/15 at 4:05 pm to
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She does have the british accent like Kenobi. Grandchild? It's a stretch, especially since it'd be pretty out of character to just now reveal that Kenobi broke the Order's ban on taking a wife/attachment.
The prequels are meaningless now, and rightly so. Therefore, all of the "not taking a spouse" business is not an issue.

It was pretty out of place that Rey was able to instantly figure out the Jedi mind trick concept, even though no one ever even suggested that this was a skill she could master.

Even Luke didn't have any idea bout them until after OB1 demonstrated it in Star Wars.
Posted by SG_Geaux
Beautiful St George, LA
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 12/18/15 at 4:06 pm to
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The ONLY thing I wish we had seen (even though it doesn't necessarily make sense to the storyline) was Luke pulling the lightsaber out of her hand and instantly activating it when she held it out to him going to credits. It was just set up so perfectly. The audience would have gone fricking bananas.


100% agree. I was sitting in my seat screaming in my head, "DO IT !!!!!!!"
Posted by The_Joker
Winter Park, Fl
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 12/18/15 at 4:07 pm to
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was pretty out of place that Rey was able to instantly figure out the Jedi mind trick concept, even though no one ever e


Oh. My. God.

Have you read anything in this thread at all? Have you thought at all about the meaning of the movie's title?
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
116161 posts
Posted on 12/18/15 at 4:10 pm to
I don't think Luke will take the lightsaber from Rey

That's hers and he'll either get his Green one back or create a new one
Posted by Cap Crunch
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Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 12/18/15 at 4:11 pm to
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The prequels are meaningless now, and rightly so. Therefore, all of the "not taking a spouse" business is not an issue.

Wait, what?
Posted by AA7
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 12/18/15 at 4:12 pm to
That's a good point. Maz made it clear the lightsaber was hers now. Wouldn't make sense for Luke to take it when it's no longer his.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
116161 posts
Posted on 12/18/15 at 4:12 pm to
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thread at all? Have you thought at all about the meaning of the movie's title?


Your theory doesn't really fix the problem, because it's just a theory. You posting it a bunch of times doesn't make it cannon

Until they fill in the story more, it's simply a plot hole. No fan theory changes that
Posted by Cap Crunch
Fire Alleva
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 12/18/15 at 4:13 pm to
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Until they fill in the story more, it's simply a plot hole. No fan theory changes that

Yeah, but its equally as dumb to assume that they won't explain it throughout the trilogy
Posted by Mystery
Member since Jan 2009
9089 posts
Posted on 12/18/15 at 4:14 pm to
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Wait, what?


Nothing he is ignorant.
1, 2 and 3 are still canon.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
116161 posts
Posted on 12/18/15 at 4:15 pm to
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assume that they won't explain it throughout the trilogy


It's a genuine concern. Writers aren't perfect
Posted by Cs
Member since Aug 2008
10681 posts
Posted on 12/18/15 at 4:17 pm to
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I don't think Luke will take the lightsaber from Rey


I think this scene was intended to be more of a symbolic parallelism more than anything, and therefore somewhat revelatory.

Earlier in the film, we see Kylo offer up his lightsaber to his father. At the end of the film, we see Rey offer her lightsaber to her father.
This post was edited on 12/18/15 at 4:18 pm
Posted by Crimsonpanther13
Somewhere in Avoyelles Parish
Member since Oct 2008
7346 posts
Posted on 12/18/15 at 4:18 pm to
I can definitely see how most people liked TFA so much. I think the gritty dogfights and the fact that all of the movie takes place far from galactic society is what most people felt Star Wars is.
But,I've read like 50 Star Wars novels, so for me all 7 movies together is just a very small part of what SW is
Posted by The_Joker
Winter Park, Fl
Member since Jan 2013
16355 posts
Posted on 12/18/15 at 4:19 pm to
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Your theory doesn't really fix the problem, because it's just a theory. You posting it a bunch of times doesn't make it cannon


No shite. But how about some counter arguments and not just repeated instances of "well isn't THAT convenient." And "that's not how the force works! But muh training!"

Do you have any ideas for why it's called The Force Awakens?
This post was edited on 12/18/15 at 4:20 pm
Posted by NashvilleTider
Your Mom
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 12/18/15 at 4:23 pm to
Loved it.... Only thing I didn't like was gollem as the emperor like character... Everything looked and felt so good that it just seemed out of place to me.... Would have rather had an old man or something. That's a ridiculously small complaint. Saw it in iMax 3D and it was a stunning experience.
Posted by OKtiger
Tulsa, OK
Member since Nov 2014
8805 posts
Posted on 12/18/15 at 4:23 pm to
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So lets rank them:

1) The Empire Strikes Back
2) The Force Awakens
3) Star Wars
4) Return of the Jedi
5) Revenge of the Sith
6) The Phantom Menace
7) Attack of the Clones


Switch Star Wars and Force Awakens

Without Star Wars, this movie couldn't even be made (especially with how much the plot of force awakens is inspired by a new hope)
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
116161 posts
Posted on 12/18/15 at 4:26 pm to
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Counter arguments


How am I supposed to argue a theory that just patches stuff together without any actual proof in the 7 movies of Star Wars we've seen so far without using stuff we've seen in 7 movies of Star Wars?


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called The Force Awakens?


Because it's a reigniting a dead but legendary franchise after many years of dormancy and it's a cool title, what do I win?

Guess that fixes everything and criticism is not allowed anymore
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
58513 posts
Posted on 12/18/15 at 4:27 pm to
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Maz made it clear the lightsaber was hers now.
well kinda clear as mub. The Force could have been calling to Rey to find the light saber to find luke and bring it back to him.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 12/18/15 at 4:28 pm to
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Switch Star Wars and Force Awakens


The Force Awakens is better than Star Wars. The main character is better, the villain (taking the movie in and of itself and not the rest of the franchise) is better, the duel is much better, Han's death is better than Obi Wan's, and the ending shot is better.

Empire is in my Top 5 movies ever, while Star Wars may make the Top 50. This movie I think was better. To me it's like comparing Naussicaa and the Valley of the Wind with Princess Mononoke. Both of them are excellent and tell the same story, but Mononoke just does these things better.
This post was edited on 12/18/15 at 4:31 pm
Posted by Rattlehead82
Florida
Member since Sep 2009
2136 posts
Posted on 12/18/15 at 4:28 pm to
Some points on why Rey might have been able to use the force so quickly.

Han, early on, tells Rey and Finn about the force(paraphrased) "I didn't believe in any of it either, but it's true, it's all true."

They probably grew up hearing the stories of Luke and all stuff he did. So now she knows that stuff is real. Believing is a big step in using the force.

Then, she gets drawn to Luke and Vader's saber, giving her visions of the past and maybe the future. That gives us (and maybe her) a hint that she's sensitive to the force.

Later, Kylo Ren tries to read her mind. She naturally tries to resist and after a few seconds notices that not only is she resisting, but can read his mind too and puts him on blast about wanting to be like Vader possibly making him shite himself.

After that, it's not a stretch on the mind trick with the guard who likely knows nothing but how to fire a blaster and take orders. It took her two tries for it to even work.

After that, pulling the saber probably felt almost natural for her. The fight with Kylo Ren is explainable as she's been shown to be good at using a staff. (I'm calling it now, she'll use a double-bladed saber when she builds it)
This post was edited on 12/18/15 at 4:30 pm
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
65282 posts
Posted on 12/18/15 at 4:29 pm to
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Have you thought at all about the meaning of the movie's title?
You obviously have, and your opinions are just that.

This movie sucked, and you're trying to rationalize it not sucking. Disney is just a bunch of bean counters, and that is all they will ever be. Originality is beyond their capability. But hey. Money. Superficiality. Rationalization. Etc. Etc. Etc.
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