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re: Star Wars: TFA -Official Discussion Thread - Spoilers
Posted on 12/28/15 at 6:21 pm to pvilleguru
Posted on 12/28/15 at 6:21 pm to pvilleguru
quote:
Star wars is literally a hood movie set in space,
Jedi=Crips
Sith=Bloods
Han Solo and Chewy = Local dealers
Empire = Police
Rebels = Black people
Luke = good kid who wants to get out of the hood
Leia = Thot who wants the bad boy drug dealer
Milienmum falcon = 2001 ford focus
tatatoine = Chicago
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Posted on 12/28/15 at 7:16 pm to hg
quote:
quote:
Star wars is literally a hood movie set in space,
Jedi=Crips
Sith=Bloods
Han Solo and Chewy = Local dealers
Empire = Police
Rebels = Black people
Luke = good kid who wants to get out of the hood
Leia = Thot who wants the bad boy drug dealer
Milienmum falcon = 2001 ford focus
tatatoine = Chicago
Is this what got this thread ETA never mind. iPad farted.
This post was edited on 12/28/15 at 7:18 pm
Posted on 12/28/15 at 7:29 pm to VaBamaMan
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For the record, Ford in that scene was brilliant. Especially after Kylo stabs him. His acting was flawless, and that look of forgiveness and love, combined with his hand, may end up being the most pivotal moment in the entire trilogy. Depending on where they go.
That's why I don't understand killing him, and did not see it coming until they walk to the bridge. Ford is the only actor of the originals still with acting chops. Hamil is flaky and who knows if he can act?
Overall to the spirit of the thread, I loved it. Solo was a gut punch, but I will live.
Abrams did a great job. Basically un-fricking everything Lucas screwed up with making the prequels. CG Animation/CGI characters were small and or accents like the game pieces on the board in Maz's and Falcon (still had old look). The Maz character was small in stature. Not a ridiculous young Jabba trying to slink around or Jar-Jar (but bashing Jar-Jar is not fair). Style of shooting was so much better. Effects used to tell story and not BE the story ie the Pod Race.
One critique.... Not reading 3000 posts. How do two people, strong with The Force or not, hold their own against a Jedi after just picking up a light saber they found in a box.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 7:32 pm to LSU alum wannabe
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That's why I don't understand killing him, and did not see it coming until they walk to the bridge.
I wish they would have waited till the next movie. I would have loved to see Han, Luke, and Leia together one more time.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 8:15 pm to LSU alum wannabe
No need to read 3000 posts, just the last 5 pages. Several good explanations.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 8:53 pm to LSU alum wannabe
quote:The only Jedi in this movie was Luke.
How do two people, strong with The Force or not, hold their own against a Jedi after just picking up a light saber they found in a box.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 8:57 pm to LSU alum wannabe
quote:
Hamil is flaky and who knows if he can act?
Forgot to a dress this.
Hammil will be fine. He is a much better actor than his reputation. He hasn't acted much because of how big his career as a voice actors became.
He is actually 100x the actor he was in the OT.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 9:01 pm to VaBamaMan
That and Lucas killed actors
Posted on 12/28/15 at 9:02 pm to LSU alum wannabe
I'm not that concerned about Hamil's ability since he's a pretty established voice actor. If anything, Fisher is the one to be more concerned about, even though I'm not worried about her either.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 9:02 pm to LSU alum wannabe
quote:
The Force or not, hold their own against a Jedi after just picking up a light saber they found in a box.
The exact reason why they created the scene with Finn battling the storm trooper with the shock decive was to "explain" Finn's ability to slightly compete without having to explain it. The same goes for Rey with the staff. They edited a lot of footage of Rey whipping arse with it.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 9:08 pm to VaBamaMan
Man Fisher was total smoke show back in the 80s.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 9:09 pm to NOSTRODAMUS
quote:
The exact reason why they created the scene with Finn battling the storm trooper with the shock decive was to "explain" Finn's ability to slightly compete without having to explain it. The same goes for Rey with the staff. They edited a lot of footage of Rey whipping arse with it.
Fair enough.
I was glad to see the sequences less super human. Like the prequels with Duku and Emperor v. Yoda. Flipping and spinning with all the CGI.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 9:19 pm to VaBamaMan
Just got back from seeing it again. Several things of note on my second go:
In the lightsaber-induced flashback, it's clearly Ren that has Rey by the arm, and leaves her on the desert planet. She is saying something like "come back". What still is unclear: was she in the academy learning to be a Jedi, or was she taken from her home?
Also: I still don't get any sense that Han "knows" her; whatever talking he is doing with others about her appears simply to be explaining her and Finn's situation.
He offers her a spot on the Falcon, but it's because he's taken a liking to her (or as he says it, "Chewie likes you"), not because she's recognizable as his daughter or niece. As much as anything, it struck me as a bit of loneliness; I think he likes her wide-eyed innocence as she says things like "I didn't think there was this much green in the whole galaxy".
It is Maz that tells him to go back to Leia, and not back to the smuggling life. Maz is initially more interested in Finn than in Rey, it's only after she found the lightsaber that Maz addresses her. And since the lightsaber spoke to her, Maz told her to take it (seemed to be meant for her), and spoke of the Force. I take this as an Excalibur type of moment that Maz recognized.
I liked Finn better this time around, he's the reluctant warrior who is just opening his eyes to a different type of life. He's running away... maybe it's his role to cause the storm troopers (who aren't clones after all) to turn against the First Order, or maybe he's going to set up some ground troops for the Resistance. They seem to just be pilots for now.
I don't know Ren and Rey's connection for sure, he's either a relative, or he just couldn't be so dark as to kill a little girl. There's something there that triggers his rejection of the Dark Side, and definitely something that makes him want to protect her. I think we see Ren redeeming himself by protecting Rey from Snoke at the end, and dying, like Vader did. Certainly seems like a sister could be the case, but I just don't get the Han and Leia daughter part. Might just be the chink in his armor, he doesn't kill little girls.
Rey takes her staff and keeps it, and offers Luke the lightsaber- she isn't planning on being trained, she is retrieving him. Different form of the hologram message of "help me Obi-wan, you're my only hope". Luke is greatly conflicted and anguished by it all, I think consumed by self-doubt. Like he has the weight of the galaxy on his shoulders, and doesn't feel worthy.
In the lightsaber-induced flashback, it's clearly Ren that has Rey by the arm, and leaves her on the desert planet. She is saying something like "come back". What still is unclear: was she in the academy learning to be a Jedi, or was she taken from her home?
Also: I still don't get any sense that Han "knows" her; whatever talking he is doing with others about her appears simply to be explaining her and Finn's situation.
He offers her a spot on the Falcon, but it's because he's taken a liking to her (or as he says it, "Chewie likes you"), not because she's recognizable as his daughter or niece. As much as anything, it struck me as a bit of loneliness; I think he likes her wide-eyed innocence as she says things like "I didn't think there was this much green in the whole galaxy".
It is Maz that tells him to go back to Leia, and not back to the smuggling life. Maz is initially more interested in Finn than in Rey, it's only after she found the lightsaber that Maz addresses her. And since the lightsaber spoke to her, Maz told her to take it (seemed to be meant for her), and spoke of the Force. I take this as an Excalibur type of moment that Maz recognized.
I liked Finn better this time around, he's the reluctant warrior who is just opening his eyes to a different type of life. He's running away... maybe it's his role to cause the storm troopers (who aren't clones after all) to turn against the First Order, or maybe he's going to set up some ground troops for the Resistance. They seem to just be pilots for now.
I don't know Ren and Rey's connection for sure, he's either a relative, or he just couldn't be so dark as to kill a little girl. There's something there that triggers his rejection of the Dark Side, and definitely something that makes him want to protect her. I think we see Ren redeeming himself by protecting Rey from Snoke at the end, and dying, like Vader did. Certainly seems like a sister could be the case, but I just don't get the Han and Leia daughter part. Might just be the chink in his armor, he doesn't kill little girls.
Rey takes her staff and keeps it, and offers Luke the lightsaber- she isn't planning on being trained, she is retrieving him. Different form of the hologram message of "help me Obi-wan, you're my only hope". Luke is greatly conflicted and anguished by it all, I think consumed by self-doubt. Like he has the weight of the galaxy on his shoulders, and doesn't feel worthy.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 9:39 pm to Scoob
quote:
, it's clearly Ren that has Rey by the arm,
Huh? The fatass junk dealer has her by the hand and says "quiet, girl" in his fat British voice.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 9:43 pm to NOSTRODAMUS
quote:To me, that sounded like Ren with the mask on...
, it's clearly Ren that has Rey by the arm,
Huh? The fatass junk dealer has her by the hand and says "quiet, girl" in his fat British voice
? Now I have to watch it again. Drat
Posted on 12/28/15 at 9:45 pm to Scoob
It was the junk dealer
Posted on 12/28/15 at 9:48 pm to Scoob
quote:Was 100% the fat guy.
To me, that sounded like Ren with the mask on...
Posted on 12/28/15 at 9:51 pm to pvilleguru
quote:
Was 100% the fat guy.
Ren sounded like the Saw killer to me. THATS a plot twist.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 10:38 pm to LSU alum wannabe
Over on IMDB, there's a thread asking why Ren is talking to Vader's helmet and seeking guidance "I will finish what you started", when Vader turned Light at the end. Seems like a valid question.
wild out of left-field idea here:
kill Snoke?
Seriously, no "pure" Jedi could handle Sidious. He took Yoda, and was toasting Luke at the end. It was Vader, a Jedi with a big infusion of the Dark Side, or in other words, "balanced in the Force".
Vader had no patience or tolerance for the Republic bureaucracy, even as a Jedi. He felt it was a bloated and corrupt institution that impeded more than helped.
Ren was the top pupil in Luke's Jedi program. He turns into a Knight of Ren and begins soaking up the Dark Side. He tells the Vader mask that "Supreme Leader suspects".
Maybe in a flash of brilliant realization, Ren understands that to be balanced, you must be both Light AND Dark, and that is the only way to further the progress of all life in the Galaxy (and it's funny that the corporate partners also have this focus on both sides of the Force; Covergirl and Verizon). Light is virtue, Dark is empowerment, and to do only one is a corrupted and weakened version. He must sacrifice himself fully, in order to truly bring balance back, to remove both Light and Dark, and leave things to the bilogical, living creatures of the galaxy.
And as a Skywalker (descendant of Anakin), he, Luke, Leia and Anakin are only here due to the Force (there was no biological basis in Anakin's conception, so he is a perversion of the Force, as his offspring are). So maybe their line is solely to destroy the influences of the Force on life, and return the universe to it's natural order.
Totally not going down that road, but it's an interesting concept
wild out of left-field idea here:
kill Snoke?
Seriously, no "pure" Jedi could handle Sidious. He took Yoda, and was toasting Luke at the end. It was Vader, a Jedi with a big infusion of the Dark Side, or in other words, "balanced in the Force".
Vader had no patience or tolerance for the Republic bureaucracy, even as a Jedi. He felt it was a bloated and corrupt institution that impeded more than helped.
Ren was the top pupil in Luke's Jedi program. He turns into a Knight of Ren and begins soaking up the Dark Side. He tells the Vader mask that "Supreme Leader suspects".
Maybe in a flash of brilliant realization, Ren understands that to be balanced, you must be both Light AND Dark, and that is the only way to further the progress of all life in the Galaxy
(and it's funny that the corporate partners also have this focus on both sides of the Force; Covergirl and Verizon). Light is virtue, Dark is empowerment, and to do only one is a corrupted and weakened version. He must sacrifice himself fully, in order to truly bring balance back, to remove both Light and Dark, and leave things to the bilogical, living creatures of the galaxy. And as a Skywalker (descendant of Anakin), he, Luke, Leia and Anakin are only here due to the Force (there was no biological basis in Anakin's conception, so he is a perversion of the Force, as his offspring are). So maybe their line is solely to destroy the influences of the Force on life, and return the universe to it's natural order.
Totally not going down that road, but it's an interesting concept
Posted on 12/28/15 at 10:53 pm to Scoob
quote:
it's clearly Ren that has Rey by the arm, and leaves her on the desert planet.
Dude, it's 100% the fat dealer. I'll screen shot it right now from the shitty Mexican screener if I have to.
I do think it's fairly clear she was at the Academy, and Kylo let her live. Hence the flashback scene where Kylo is standing over her. For some reason I thought I remembered a line where Snoke implies Kylo had let some one live whom he was supposed to kill, because he had felt the pull of the light, but I can't seem to find it. I think I'm mistaken.
Once again, I think Han knew more than he let on. Simply because of the conversations he had off screen regarding her.
Yeah, Maz tells Han that. What's your point in that regard?
Maz is initially focused on Finn because he is the one talking the most. Remember, Han told them not to say anything, so Rey kept quiet. Though, right before the snow fight, and right after he had killed Han, when Kylo looks up he doesn't focus on Rey, but Finn.
I feel similarly about the lightsaber. I actually think the Force itself was the awakening Snoke and Kylo felt. Not Rey. It actively called to her in a way not seen in any of the movies before. I'm sure Luke felt it too.
At the start of her fight with Kylo I think the force sends her the lightsaber, she doesn't call it. There may be different versions out there. I distinctly remember Kylo shouting something when the lightsaber flies to her instead of him. A phrase ending with word "You". But the mexican screener online doesn't have that.
I liked Finn fine by the third act, he was especially good in the fight with Kylo. I love the simile that was Boyega having to find a character who was finding himself. I just thought he was really bad for the first half, almost 2/3. Him and Oscar Isaac together were a train wreck.
Kylo will probably have a redemption arc, or Han's death is next to useless in the grand picture.
Just watched Rey and Luke on the screener. Couple of things.
A) He throws back his hood almost as if he is challenging someone to attack him, or he is expecting it.
B) He softens for a second when he recognizes her. But then almost looks angry that she is there. Like he was hoping she wasnt the one to find him.
C) Her face is one of hopefulness at finding a home, not one hoping he will fight. Her face was one that almost begged for him to tell her "I'm your father". She looked overcome with emotion, and fear of rejection. Looked like a 4 year old orphan who is hoping this guy will be her new papa. Great acting from her.
D) to me, when he sees her face is when it looked like he started crying. As if he realized how much she missed him. Because she was holding out the lightsaber for awhile before he became emotional.
E) There is one more point about Luke I want to make. But I will do it in a second post because it deserves attention apart from all of this.
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