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re: Star Wars Episode 8: The Last Jedi Discussion Thread ***SPOILERS***
Posted on 12/21/17 at 11:40 am to DelU249
Posted on 12/21/17 at 11:40 am to DelU249
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too much time and then you may have to waste even more time explaining in aggravating detail to me what happened in between
Why does it even matter that Rey got them out that cave at the end? Aren't all the First Order ships and fleet still just hovering right up above the planet? Wouldn't they just wait to see the Millennium Falcon, which we know they can track through hyperspace, and blow it up?
I mean, seriously, how do they get off that planet?
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Posted on 12/21/17 at 11:42 am to Breesus
why? I don't know
but it felt like rian Johnson started this movie right where the last one left off because he'd need 3 hours of dialogue to explain the audience every single god damn thing that happened between these movies before delving into the plot of the movie which is explaining every single god damn thing that happened before the force awakens
I can't handle anymore expository dialogue especially when it's so poorly written and stupid.
but it felt like rian Johnson started this movie right where the last one left off because he'd need 3 hours of dialogue to explain the audience every single god damn thing that happened between these movies before delving into the plot of the movie which is explaining every single god damn thing that happened before the force awakens
I can't handle anymore expository dialogue especially when it's so poorly written and stupid.
This post was edited on 12/21/17 at 11:44 am
Posted on 12/21/17 at 11:47 am to Breesus
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I thought they showed a scene of that ship dock with all the Fighters in it getting hit by a torpedo? Right?
You're right, I did forget that scene, so Poe's X-Wing was destroyed. I guess they did get that right.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 11:50 am to LSUBoo
Have we already talked about Kevin Smiths' review? If not its fair and funny.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 11:52 am to Baloo
I think you’re spot on with all your posts. And I think that’s why so many are so mad. What they had read about and hoped for for all these years with their favorite characters and them having to step aside. Some of them not getting the ending that was hoped for.
I also think given more time most people will start to come around.
I also think given more time most people will start to come around.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 11:55 am to Itismemc
quote:Link it.
Have we already talked about Kevin Smiths' review?
Posted on 12/21/17 at 11:57 am to StrongBackWeakMind
5 minute video of Mark Hamil interviews showing how much he dislikes this movie
If you only watch one thing skip to 2:25 of that video. It's the most truthfully review of the movie and the studio you'll see.
If you only watch one thing skip to 2:25 of that video. It's the most truthfully review of the movie and the studio you'll see.
This post was edited on 12/21/17 at 11:59 am
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:09 pm to Josh Fenderman
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I think you’re spot on with all your posts. And I think that’s why so many are so mad. What they had read about and hoped for for all these years with their favorite characters and them having to step aside. Some of them not getting the ending that was hoped for.
I also think given more time most people will start to come around.
Right, so like Breesus said, why use Star Wars at all? This is the thing that doesn't connect for me. Why not just create something new? If people needed new Star Wars, why not create something new? What is the necessity of using Star Wars?
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:22 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
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Kevin Smiths' review?
He delivers the entire review like the Sherriff of Rottingham.
LINK
And I love that he coined the term "frick you JJ moments" in the film.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:23 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
without seeing it, let me save you the trouble
kevin smith describes every single thing in the movie while trailing off and coming back...excruciating detail...he loved it, yay star wars. he was probably high, yay perpetual adolescence and i'm just going to guess he cries talking about it
kevin smith describes every single thing in the movie while trailing off and coming back...excruciating detail...he loved it, yay star wars. he was probably high, yay perpetual adolescence and i'm just going to guess he cries talking about it
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:23 pm to Freauxzen
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Right, so like Breesus said, why use Star Wars at all? This is the thing that doesn't connect for me. Why not just create something new?
Yep. Instead of just creating your own new unique universe or forging your own unique star wars story, so many of you are not only ok with but championing the idea that it was necessary for some reason to take a dump on the entire fanbase simply for the purpose of ensuring that they go away and never come back. That's bizarre to me. It's a bizarre ideology OT acknowledge and follow.
This post was edited on 12/21/17 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:31 pm to DelU249
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without seeing it, let me save you the trouble
kevin smith describes every single thing in the movie while trailing off and coming back...excruciating detail...he loved it, yay star wars. he was probably high, yay perpetual adolescence and i'm just going to guess he cries talking about it
Boy you nailed that squarely on the head. Hard.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:32 pm to Breesus
quote:which is what he was hired to do...instead he spent most of the movie undoing the last which regardless of how you feel about TFA makes that a waste of time and this movie a waste of time.
or forging your own unique star wars story
it's like watching a soccer game that ends in a tie.
and regardless of how you feel about his treatment of the OT and mythology of the movie, he uses it to get attention. it's like shite talking someone popular or famous for attention and ratings
all along while recreating images, scenarios and reusing concepts from the OT to set things up for cheap shocks rather than genuine surprises.
Johnson not only shite all over the OT and the movie he's supposed to build off of, he didn't do a good job of doing that. this movie was "hack Hollywood 101"
have to have all the characters and give them things to do and their own storylines and i'll add even more characters and where's yoda? dig him up.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:33 pm to Breesus
yeah, of course i did
the sky is blue. i listened to one podcast of his after the dark knight rises and i will never listen to his voice again. i saw the movie, him describing the movie frame by frame is not a review, but he thinks it is
the sky is blue. i listened to one podcast of his after the dark knight rises and i will never listen to his voice again. i saw the movie, him describing the movie frame by frame is not a review, but he thinks it is
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:35 pm to Freauxzen
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So the EU, the stuff that at least kind of shows people like non Skywalker stories and new characters (and I've only read Thrawn and a few other things also realizing most of it stunk) was the problem?
No. I've argued nothing of the sort.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:38 pm to Baloo
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No. I've argued nothing of the sort.
Im just trying to figure out what needed to change and why something completely new, ie not Star Wars, wasn't a good option instead.
I mean, I have some ideas, a new non-Empire enemy, a reduction of the importance of the Force, an absence of the myth of the Skywalkers, etc.
This post was edited on 12/21/17 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:39 pm to DelU249
He does say the movie is full of little "frick you JJ" moments. I liked that phrase but his stream of consciousness delivery is a slog to get through.
And yeah one thing I cannot stand about him is his childlike approach to marijuana. He is the try hard guy at the party that can't hold his liquor.
He's always like teehee I was schmokin a joint Lulz so high and stoned like totally bro.
I don't know a single person over the age of 20 that acts like that and he's 47. It's just pot dude. Smoke it and shut up like the rest of us.
And yeah one thing I cannot stand about him is his childlike approach to marijuana. He is the try hard guy at the party that can't hold his liquor.
He's always like teehee I was schmokin a joint Lulz so high and stoned like totally bro.
I don't know a single person over the age of 20 that acts like that and he's 47. It's just pot dude. Smoke it and shut up like the rest of us.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 1:32 pm to Breesus
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Exactly what larger themed story do you think is being presented
Well the story isn't over, is it?
I think the story being presented is showing that the skywalkers, hell even jedi and sith generally are just a small part of a larger world of the force.
I have no clue where they are going with it. And I like that. It's more interesting than brooding whiny arse Luke skywalkers story.
BTW this isn't directed at you but a general statement. Luke never defeated the "two greatest sith ever" and it's tiring to hear people say it.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 1:38 pm to extremetigerfanatic
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It's more interesting than brooding whiny arse Luke skywalkers story.
Luke was never a brooding whiney arse. Rian Johnson made him that way. Thank you for confirming that you didn't like the movie either.
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Luke never defeated the "two greatest sith ever" and it's tiring to hear people say it.
Depends on how you view it. He didn't best them in combat, but by trusting in the force and refusing the offer of both Vader and the Emperor to join the dark side, he sparked hope in Anakin who then sacrificed himself to kill Palpatine.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 2:00 pm to extremetigerfanatic
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I think the story being presented is showing that the skywalkers, hell even jedi and sith generally are just a small part of a larger world of the force. I have no clue where they are going with it. And I like that. It's more interesting than brooding whiny arse Luke skywalkers story.
Each scene has a story.
Each plot line has a story.
Each character has an arc.
All three advance the story of each movie which further advances the arc of the trilogy.
Those three streams of story telling crashed and burned into each other in the shittiest way possible in an attempt to “escape the past” and give us something “new” yet we are left we exactly what we’ve always had. Why?
What did Poe learn in this story? How to be a leader? How? By killing everyone by his actions over and over?
How did Finn grow? What did he learn?
How did Rey grow?
Kylo showed growth but he ended exactly as we saw him at the end of TFA. Conflicted but committed.
I could send you my entire melt via text message - it has yet failed to convince.
The previous 7 movies (especially TFA) was the lightsaber Luke tossed aside.
This post was edited on 12/21/17 at 2:19 pm
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