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re: Star Wars Episode 8: The Last Jedi Discussion Thread ***SPOILERS***
Posted on 12/21/17 at 11:08 am to Baloo
Posted on 12/21/17 at 11:08 am to Baloo
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Sure, but that wasn't my argument. My argument is that the Star Wars super fan was strangling the life out of Star Wars, and that EU stuff had to be excised. Hell, that was done for TFA, a far more reverential film. This was the second, more painful cut: killing your idols. This was clearing the field for the next generation (one of whom is related to the Skywalkers... Kylo Ren is explicitly connected to Darth Vader).
As for the EU stuff, I do feel some Star Wars fans feel upset that their VIP pass in Star Wars fandom has been revoked. They used to have special knowledge that has been deemed inessential to the Star Wars universe. but that had more to do with TFA than this film. That's when the decision to make EU not part of canon was made. So it's irrelevant to TLJ, honestly.
So the EU, the stuff that at least kind of shows people like non Skywalker stories and new characters (and I've only read Thrawn and a few other things also realizing most of it stunk) was the problem?
If that's the argument, then ok. I still would have preferred a more relevant and serious break from that, honestly. Like I said in the Hux thread, what if the force is no longer "the big bad," and that Hux, as a supremely capable smart, military leader, subdues Kylo, seizes power on his own and takes over handily. That he has no interest in it, no time for it, and just wants dominance. That might have been interesting, if the force was a bit player for two movies and it was all military conflict, all Hux playing games and knocking everyone off their pedestal. Not some tired old new Sith lord that, again, is just a stand in for old remnants that need to die. If we want to do away with the rules, let's do that, but at least do it for a purpose, not just to do it.
What if we just start a story about some little conflict on some little planet? Pulling Rey right into the Galactic Conflict was very much in line with the OT.
We're in circles now sure, so agree to disagree on this one. I see a dozen different directions they could have gone to be done with the past. But the one they chose was just so meh. I think that's the disconnect. I think the action of being done with the past is fine, but do it well. Do it completely.
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Posted on 12/21/17 at 11:19 am to extremetigerfanatic
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think it's interesting that people are hating on Luke for staying on the island
I hadn't seen that criticism anywhere
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feel like the story being told here is bigger than a Skywalker story arc and that truly is the crux of why people are pissed
There is no story being told. That's why people are pissed. Everyone failed at everything they did and at the end of TLJ the plot hasn't been advanced and if anything the resistance is even weaker than they were before.
Exactly what larger themed story do you think is being presented?
Posted on 12/21/17 at 11:20 am to Baloo
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This was the second, more painful cut: killing your idols. This was clearing the field for the next generation
Why?
Instead of just creating your own new unique universe or forging your own unique star wars story, so many of you are not only ok with but championing the idea that it was necessary for some reason to take a dump on the entire fanbase simply for the purpose of ensuring that they go away and never come back.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 11:22 am to Breesus
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Posted on 12/21/17 at 11:24 am to Breesus
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if anything the resistance is even weaker than they were before.
You mean a dozen people crammed onto the Millenium Falcon isn't weaker than before?
Makes me think about another weird plot point... after the zero-gravity bombing raid, Poe is back on the main cruiser. So, presumably he flew his X-Wing back there, as well as any other fighters that survived. So why when they evacuated the cruiser were there no fighters? I understand Poe was incapacitated during the evacuation but no one else could fly one? Never mind Poe is perfectly fine to fly the salt speeders a short time later...
So they just left all their perfectly good X-wings and other fighter craft on board the cruiser to get destroyed? They deserve to get snuffed out.
ETA: Or just send a few X-Wings into hyperspace to their allies to get help, instead of having to make it to the abandoned base. Or where they all out of gas too? Did no one remember to fill up before the gas light came on??
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Posted on 12/21/17 at 11:24 am to Breesus
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This post was edited on 5/27/23 at 8:04 pm
Posted on 12/21/17 at 11:26 am to LSUBoo
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You mean a dozen people crammed onto the Millenium Falcon isn't weaker than before?
Yep. They really need a five year jump from VIII to IX.
It hasn't been talked about but I think a major issue with VIII was that it picked up right after VII.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 11:27 am to LSUBoo
poe was bad because he got like 15 people killed...he learned his lesson from leia after she got everyone killed
but it's ok she said something about friends in the outer rim who will show up and restock all those people who looked like support staff anyway.
a failed mutiny/insurrection on a ship during battle stations is rewarded with a promotion and not being jettisoned out of the air lock or thrown in the brig and left to die
worst military outfit ever...oh and I forgot the part where they didn't even gas up their ships despite ample time...maybe they didn't have gas
...anyone else thinks refueling ships in star wars is fricking stupid?
but it's ok she said something about friends in the outer rim who will show up and restock all those people who looked like support staff anyway.
a failed mutiny/insurrection on a ship during battle stations is rewarded with a promotion and not being jettisoned out of the air lock or thrown in the brig and left to die
worst military outfit ever...oh and I forgot the part where they didn't even gas up their ships despite ample time...maybe they didn't have gas
...anyone else thinks refueling ships in star wars is fricking stupid? This post was edited on 12/21/17 at 11:28 am
Posted on 12/21/17 at 11:27 am to LSUBoo
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So they just left all their perfectly good X-wings and other fighter craft on board the cruiser to get destroyed?
I thought they showed a scene of that ship dock with all the Fighters in it getting hit by a torpedo? Right?
Posted on 12/21/17 at 11:27 am to Breesus
Correct. Kylo blew up the fighters.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 11:28 am to LSUBoo
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Or just send a few X-Wings into hyperspace to their allies to get help, instead of having to make it to the abandoned base
They make it to the base, and send the signal, and then some character says "everyone got out signal, but no one is sending any help."
Even the movies own characters don't give a shite about the resistance people at that point.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 11:29 am to Antonio Moss
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It hasn't been talked about but I think a major issue with VIII was that it picked up right after VII.
This entire new trilogy takes place over the span of what? Like a week? Maybe less?
Posted on 12/21/17 at 11:29 am to Breesus
At the beginning of the movie, they said the entire Resistance is contained in this fleet. Then a vague reference to people on the outer rim.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 11:29 am to StrongBackWeakMind
well he blew up one hangar bay that we saw.
unless they only have half a squadron, there are more hangar bays on that ship
unless they only have half a squadron, there are more hangar bays on that ship
Posted on 12/21/17 at 11:30 am to DelU249
It was my assumption that those were the only fighters remaining.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 11:31 am to StrongBackWeakMind
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At the beginning of the movie, they said the entire Resistance is contained in this fleet. Then a vague reference to people on the outer rim.
Yeah then they get to the base and send a signal out to all their allies, who apparently respond, frick off we don't want to help you.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 11:31 am to Breesus
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This entire new trilogy takes place over the span of what? Like a week? Maybe less?
Seriously, the time from which Finn meets Rey on Jakku until Rey lifts the rocks and rescues the survivors is like a week tops.
Five year jump has to happen for IX.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 11:32 am to Breesus
But once the people learn that Supreme Leader Snoke is dead, the Resistance is going to be flooded with new fighters!
Posted on 12/21/17 at 11:32 am to Antonio Moss
quote:Hopefully.
Five year jump has to happen for IX.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 11:37 am to StrongBackWeakMind
see that's the problem. too much time and then you may have to waste even more time explaining in aggravating detail to me what happened in between
this whole movie trilogy seems like a story about what happened in between jedi/TFA...like hey, that's the story we wanted to tell, but the original cast is too old so we'll have a new cast learn about what happened to our old cast.
this whole movie trilogy seems like a story about what happened in between jedi/TFA...like hey, that's the story we wanted to tell, but the original cast is too old so we'll have a new cast learn about what happened to our old cast.
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