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re: Star Wars EP. IX Leaks thread (SPOILERS)-New images from screening
Posted on 9/30/19 at 3:07 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
Posted on 9/30/19 at 3:07 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
They should have never rebooted Star Wars. The only decent thing to come from it was Rogue One.
Even with the prequels' problems, the overall story was great. This extremely force sensitive kid is prophesied to destroy the Sith. He is trained to be a Jedi and is on course to fulfill this prophecy. However, his anger and fear get the best of him and a powerful Sith Lord is able to turn him to the darkside, thus seemingly destroying the Prophecy. He destroys 99% of the Jedi and becomes a powerful Sith Lord himself. Fast forward and only his compassion for his son is able to save him from the dark side. He destroys his Sith master and himself, thus destroying the Sith and fulfilling the prophecy. END.
Perfect story. Now, however, it is undone. Anakin/Vader has apparently failed to fulfill the prophecy and the Sith remain. Therefore, he turned good and then he died for nothing when he carried the Emperor to the pit whilst being shocked with force lightning for an extended period of time because the Emperor isn't even dead. I guess he saved Luke, but that's it. He obviously wasn't the Chosen One, he just played a small part.
Even with the prequels' problems, the overall story was great. This extremely force sensitive kid is prophesied to destroy the Sith. He is trained to be a Jedi and is on course to fulfill this prophecy. However, his anger and fear get the best of him and a powerful Sith Lord is able to turn him to the darkside, thus seemingly destroying the Prophecy. He destroys 99% of the Jedi and becomes a powerful Sith Lord himself. Fast forward and only his compassion for his son is able to save him from the dark side. He destroys his Sith master and himself, thus destroying the Sith and fulfilling the prophecy. END.
Perfect story. Now, however, it is undone. Anakin/Vader has apparently failed to fulfill the prophecy and the Sith remain. Therefore, he turned good and then he died for nothing when he carried the Emperor to the pit whilst being shocked with force lightning for an extended period of time because the Emperor isn't even dead. I guess he saved Luke, but that's it. He obviously wasn't the Chosen One, he just played a small part.
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 4:16 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
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Perfect story. Now, however, it is undone. Anakin/Vader has apparently failed to fulfill the prophecy and the Sith remain. Therefore, he turned good and then he died for nothing when he carried the Emperor to the pit whilst being shocked with force lightning for an extended period of time because the Emperor isn't even dead. I guess he saved Luke, but that's it. He obviously wasn't the Chosen One, he just played a small part.
I don't really have a problem with the Chosen One BS being retconned as it basically retconned Luke's journey in the first place.
The original trilogy was supposed to be Luke Skywalker's journey and him fulfilling his destiny and restoring equilibrium (or "balance", if you prefer) to the Force. It wasn't Anakin's story.
It always seemed like Lucas didn't know his own story by giving Anakin the credit for "fulfilling the (prequel) prophecy and destroying the Sith and bringing balance to the Force" when it was clearly Luke that did all that. Sure, Darth/Anakin gave the Emperor the coup de grace and chucked him down the shaft but he and the Sith were finished already and he knew it.
Now, if you want to take issue with the prequels being ignored in favor of giving us this crap instead of a good and original story, then yeah I'm 100% on board with you.
This post was edited on 9/30/19 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 9/30/19 at 4:29 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
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They should have never rebooted Star Wars. The only decent thing to come from it was Rogue One.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 4:49 pm to Walking the Earth
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The original trilogy was supposed to be Luke Skywalker's journey and him fulfilling his destiny and restoring equilibrium (or "balance", if you prefer) to the Force. It wasn't Anakin's story.
No it wasn't. Luke didnt kill the emperor, Anakin did.
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always seemed like Lucas didn't know his own story by giving Anakin the credit for "fulfilling the (prequel) prophecy and destroying the Sith and bringing balance to the Force" when it was clearly Luke that did all that.
Anakin literally picked up Sidious and tossed him into the death star reactor.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 4:56 pm to Walking the Earth
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The original trilogy was supposed to be Luke Skywalker's journey and him fulfilling his destiny and restoring equilibrium (or "balance", if you prefer) to the Force. It wasn't Anakin's story.
No, no it wasn't. The original trilogy has always been and will always be about Anakin's redemption through Luke.
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I don't really have a problem with the Chosen One BS being retconned as it basically retconned Luke's journey in the first place.
Just stop.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:14 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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The original trilogy has always been and will always be about Anakin's redemption through Luke.
What?
Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:30 pm to Walking the Earth
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The original trilogy was supposed to be Luke Skywalker's journey and him fulfilling his destiny and restoring equilibrium (or "balance", if you prefer) to the Force. It wasn't Anakin's story.
I didn't see it that way once the prophecy was introduced. I always saw it as Anakin fulfilling the prophecy by having the most powerful jedi as a son that was a truly grey/balanced jedi with no sith around.
My problem now is that the big bad was sitting around and Luke couldn't sense him around the corner the whole time and that the prophecy was never fulfilled since there was still a sith sitting there in Snoke.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:35 pm to Walking the Earth
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What?
The culmination of the entire trilogy is literally his redemption.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:40 pm to Warfarer
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I didn't see it that way once the prophecy was introduced.
Yeah, once the prophecy was introduced it shifted, not least because Lucas flat out said Anakin was the Chosen One and the whole thing was supposed to really be Anakin's story.
I'm just saying that was the first retcon of the series and didn't really make sense considering what Luke's destiny was built up to be and his actions throughout the original trilogy. Yeah, Anakin tossed Sidious down the shaft but the Sith were already effectively destroyed by Luke looking into the abyss and walking back and by turning Anakin back. That's why the Emperor was so pissed and went right into BBQ'ing Luke mode.
He fulfilled the destiny that the Emperor himself predicted would happen in the Empire Strikes Back.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:48 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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The culmination of the entire trilogy is literally his redemption.
You must have been born after the original movies were in the theaters.
Originally, nobody watched those movies and thought they were watching Anakin Skywalker's journey. We didn't even get his name until the 3rd movie.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 6:00 pm to Walking the Earth
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You must have been born after the original movies were in the theaters.
Originally, nobody watched those movies and thought they were watching Anakin Skywalker's journey. We didn't even get his name until the 3rd movie
Not my fault people aren't good at understanding movies.
I also never said you were watching Anakin Skywalker's journey. I said the point of the movies was Anakin's redemption, which it is. Luke is the key to Anakin's redemption and always has been. You are watching that redemption, through Luke.
The entire trilogy builds to Anakin redeeming himself. I'm not sure how anyone can watch them through and not understand this.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 6:24 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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I also never said you were watching Anakin Skywalker's journey
Well, whose journey were we watching because when I said it was Luke's earlier, you took issue with that.
Was it R2-D2's?
Posted on 9/30/19 at 6:33 pm to Walking the Earth
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Well, whose journey were we watching because when I said it was Luke's earlier, you took issue with that.
Luke's. I took issue with you saying the original trilogy was about Luke fulfilling his destiny and bringing balance. It was not and never was.
Luke's journey is to help redeem his father. Again, that is the culmination of the entire trilogy. It all builds to that moment.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 6:47 pm to Walking the Earth
quote:The original trilogy had shite to do with "balance." That's Lucas' early appeasement of eastern markets. It was a fight between good and evil, with one prevailing over the other. The balance bullshite is boring and by definition, prevents any kind of satisfying resolution.
The original trilogy was supposed to be Luke Skywalker's journey and him fulfilling his destiny and restoring equilibrium (or "balance", if you prefer) to the Force. It wasn't Anakin's story.
The OT was allowed to flourish because Lucas still had control and allowed talented people do what they do. Everything since then has had way too many cooks in the kitchen, way too many corporate and political agendas and generally stupid ideas. Lucas could not have chosen a worse company to sell it to.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 6:57 pm to blueboy
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Everything since then has had way too many cooks in the kitchen, way too many corporate and political agendas and generally stupid ideas.
KOTOR
Clone Wars Animated Saga
Rebels animated Saga
Rogue One
All disagree with you.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 6:58 pm to blueboy
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The original trilogy had shite to do with "balance."
Yeah, I didn't mean to imply that it did but I didn't phrase it very well.
I was just pointing out that Luke was the one that truly vanquished the Sith and thus brought whatever you want to call it (peace, stability, equilibrium, balance, non disturbance, cotton candy) to the Force through his actions.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 7:04 pm to Walking the Earth
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I was just pointing out that Luke was the one that truly vanquished the Sith
Which Sith did Luke vanquish?
Posted on 9/30/19 at 7:04 pm to Nguyener
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KOTOR
Clone Wars Animated Saga
Rebels animated Saga
Rogue One
One of these is not like the others
Posted on 9/30/19 at 7:11 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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Which Sith did Luke vanquish?
Well, if you want to be literal and pedantic, he vanquished Darth Vader both in combat and by turning him back towards the light side.
And by his refusal to yield to the temptation to the dark side, he defeated the Emperor and pretty much spelled the end of the Sith since, you know, the Death Star was about to blow up even if Anakin didn't toss him into the reactor.
That's why the Emperor was so pissed at Luke. He knew it was over at that point. Luke wasn't turning and he probably had at least somewhat of an idea that Anakin was beginning to surface.
The Sith were done at that point. Anakin just put the exclamation point on his defeat.
This post was edited on 9/30/19 at 7:13 pm
Posted on 9/30/19 at 7:51 pm to Nguyener
quote:I meant the movies.
KOTOR
Clone Wars Animated Saga
Rebels animated Saga
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Rogue One
All disagree with you.
No it doesn't.
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