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re: **Spoilers**Anyone wanna talk about EP4-6 leaks from the other subs?
Posted on 5/16/19 at 4:53 pm to CBandits82
Posted on 5/16/19 at 4:53 pm to CBandits82
what is the actual point of him being Aegon if these leaks are true? It literally doesn't mean anything in the show except to piss Dany off.
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 4:53 pm to trux83LSU
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what is the actual point of him being Aegon if these leaks are true? It literally doesn't mean anything in the show except to piss Dany off.
Yeah but at least you didn't guess the ending!!
Posted on 5/16/19 at 4:56 pm to PortCityTiger24
I mean I'd rather them decide for him to be king then turn it down than this bullshite. frick dumbass grayworm. Nobody gives a frick about him.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 5:31 pm to trux83LSU
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what is the actual point of him being Aegon if these leaks are true?
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to piss Dany off.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 6:58 pm to trux83LSU
None of that even makes sense. Drogon, all the Dorthraki, and Unsullied followed Dany because they loved her. But when Jon kills her, they just stand by? They don't lash out and instead say "oh well" at leave? They don't even know if Jon will actually go the wall and stay there.
Why is Jon even being exiled in the first place? Most of the people in the council support him. They've already shown that Dany's army doesn't care enough to lash out so who cares what they think?
Also I guess this means most people don't know that Jon is the true heir either. All those years (about 20) of R+L=J hype and all it means is to drive a wedge between him and Dany.
Why is Jon even being exiled in the first place? Most of the people in the council support him. They've already shown that Dany's army doesn't care enough to lash out so who cares what they think?
Also I guess this means most people don't know that Jon is the true heir either. All those years (about 20) of R+L=J hype and all it means is to drive a wedge between him and Dany.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 7:04 pm to 1BamaRTR
Right it’s dumb as hell. But hey let’s subvert some expectations. I think grrm may have to change his ending if this is what he’s really going for. Although I’m sure he would explain it way better.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 7:55 am to 1BamaRTR
Wow if that is true then what a horrible ending. Grey Worm having any authority whatsoever is flat out retarded, so is Tyrion banishing Jon.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 7:58 am to Indefatigable
Exactly. If they pull the "honor" card and have Jon say he has to honor the deal....Jesus
Posted on 5/17/19 at 8:08 am to GermantownTiger
Also Jon being a school girl and telling everyone who he is, is completely against his moral code. Yet another dumb character turn by D&D
Posted on 5/17/19 at 8:15 am to wildtigercat93
He didnt tell everyone. He told his sisters and "his queen" which I would argue is very much in his honor code. Stupid, but honorable.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 8:19 am to trux83LSU
god i can't wait for the melts on sunday
and the articles that ensue
and the surely rotten tomato cumulative on RT
and the articles that ensue
and the surely rotten tomato cumulative on RT
Posted on 5/17/19 at 8:28 am to Rhames
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He didnt tell everyone. He told his sisters and "his queen" which I would argue is very much in his honor code. Stupid, but honorable.
What is honorable about it? At the time it was better for the realm if no one knew. Why this sudden urge to tell his sister and risk the peace that had come?
Posted on 5/17/19 at 8:37 am to wildtigercat93
They were his family and he thought the deserved to know. It was absolutely stupid to tell them, but he thought it was right.
He didn't think they would tell.
He didn't think they would tell.
This post was edited on 5/17/19 at 8:38 am
Posted on 5/17/19 at 9:08 am to Rhames
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They were his family and he thought the deserved to know
This is the lame shite the writers came up with
He finds out Ned kept a secret for years to protect him and he instantly tells his family and Dany to put himself and family in instant danger because.....he felt they deserved to know?
It’s just so weak of a plot point.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 9:15 am to wildtigercat93
Ned's reason to keep Jon a secret was to protect him from King Robert.
Jon's decision is stupid but he does it within the parameters of his character. It was "his choice" per Bran to let him know which is foreshadowing his choice to to be a Stark over a Targryan. The real travesty is we don't see Sansa and Arya react
There have been problems with this season, but Jon telling his family doesn't bother me from a character choice standpoint.
Jon's decision is stupid but he does it within the parameters of his character. It was "his choice" per Bran to let him know which is foreshadowing his choice to to be a Stark over a Targryan. The real travesty is we don't see Sansa and Arya react
There have been problems with this season, but Jon telling his family doesn't bother me from a character choice standpoint.
This post was edited on 5/17/19 at 9:16 am
Posted on 5/17/19 at 9:34 am to The Egg
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god i can't wait for the melts on sunday
You know many on this board will defend this show no matter. There’ll be about 15 threads complaining about the ending and another 16 threads complaining about the complainers.
Outside this board, this episode will probably garner low ratings mostly because a fan favorite was killed by another fan favorite who ended up not on the throne which instead was taken by someone nobody gives a shite about.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 9:44 am to 1BamaRTR
Im in the minority and actually enjoyed the bells for the most part and the debate over Mad Queen or not. I listened to a podcast that had a spin that I didn't think of but Missandei telling her to burn them after seeing them behind the doors was probably a big nod to dany too that she should burn them.
That said, Im not saying the episode was perfect at all. Tyrion is just getting highly annoying at this point with his mistake after mistake and all of them pretty stupid. The interaction between he and Jaime was nice but still a stupid mistake from his side. He seems to just be wandering aimlessly looking stupid and dumbfounded at everything these days.
Jon has been useless except as a mcguffin this season to push Dany to the edge.
Im not one that thinks that Dany's turn was too sudden. She has always had that behind her eyes in the show in a lot of her reactions. She seems to have always had to fight off the madness. Look at how she responded when Drogo burned Visirys with a molten metal. She stared blankly and said he wasn't a dragon.
Varys wasn't out of line either like a lot argue. I think he has kept moving from ruler to ruler hoping to find one and he finally found one that he truly believes in with Jon and takes his shot.
That said, Im not saying the episode was perfect at all. Tyrion is just getting highly annoying at this point with his mistake after mistake and all of them pretty stupid. The interaction between he and Jaime was nice but still a stupid mistake from his side. He seems to just be wandering aimlessly looking stupid and dumbfounded at everything these days.
Jon has been useless except as a mcguffin this season to push Dany to the edge.
Im not one that thinks that Dany's turn was too sudden. She has always had that behind her eyes in the show in a lot of her reactions. She seems to have always had to fight off the madness. Look at how she responded when Drogo burned Visirys with a molten metal. She stared blankly and said he wasn't a dragon.
Varys wasn't out of line either like a lot argue. I think he has kept moving from ruler to ruler hoping to find one and he finally found one that he truly believes in with Jon and takes his shot.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:01 am to 1BamaRTR
I don't have any real problems with any of the decisions Jon made this season. He only told his family and the woman he loves about his real identity. He did everything he possibly could to save the world from the dead. He's honoring his commitment to the queen for her help.
If the leaks are true then it's well within his character to say "I'm out" and head back north. He's loved two women in his life and will have personally killed one and seen the other killed in one of his battles.
My problem is how they're getting him to the end. It's been repeated multiple times, but I'm left wondering what does R+L=J really mean in the end. It appears nothing. Just one of a thousand things that sends Dany over the edge. That was built up to be the biggest reveal and driving points of the whole story (proven by GRRM giving D&D the okay to make the series by them guessing it).
He doesn't kill the Night King. All he does (which is big but not OMG BIG) is bring in Dany's army to help with the fight. Okay, fine...I guess he'll play an even bigger role going forward. Well, it seems not.
He'll kill Dany which is important. But it's literally something any number of people could have done (Arya, Tyrion, Sansa, ect). Then he's arrested and exiled. So his lineage means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of the story other than being an assist to the Queen becoming Mad. I really hope there's more to it than the leaks have revealed.
My hope/expectation was that he would ultimately be the final victor in the whole GOT. The ending could have still gone multiple ways. He could have ruled going forward...the worst ending for me personally but not bad. It would have been the happiest ending with the Big Good Guy winning in the end, even if he was miserable doing it.
He could have been killed in some final ultimate sacrifice for the realm that leads to victory. I don't personally like that one because I do love his character (or at least the promise of it before this season).
My personal favorite would have been for Jon to ultimately win everything. Set up the new rule going forward, ideally some kind of council/democracy/7 Kingdoms being separate. Then relinquish his power and go back to the North North. Be with Tormund and Ghost or the Black Watch or whatever. Have him victorious but near broken by everything that happened. Maybe he's miserable forever or relishes the peace. To me that's bittersweet. The good guy wins but at a huge cost to himself. Actually everybody left alive wins but at huge personal costs.
If the leaks are true then it's well within his character to say "I'm out" and head back north. He's loved two women in his life and will have personally killed one and seen the other killed in one of his battles.
My problem is how they're getting him to the end. It's been repeated multiple times, but I'm left wondering what does R+L=J really mean in the end. It appears nothing. Just one of a thousand things that sends Dany over the edge. That was built up to be the biggest reveal and driving points of the whole story (proven by GRRM giving D&D the okay to make the series by them guessing it).
He doesn't kill the Night King. All he does (which is big but not OMG BIG) is bring in Dany's army to help with the fight. Okay, fine...I guess he'll play an even bigger role going forward. Well, it seems not.
He'll kill Dany which is important. But it's literally something any number of people could have done (Arya, Tyrion, Sansa, ect). Then he's arrested and exiled. So his lineage means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of the story other than being an assist to the Queen becoming Mad. I really hope there's more to it than the leaks have revealed.
My hope/expectation was that he would ultimately be the final victor in the whole GOT. The ending could have still gone multiple ways. He could have ruled going forward...the worst ending for me personally but not bad. It would have been the happiest ending with the Big Good Guy winning in the end, even if he was miserable doing it.
He could have been killed in some final ultimate sacrifice for the realm that leads to victory. I don't personally like that one because I do love his character (or at least the promise of it before this season).
My personal favorite would have been for Jon to ultimately win everything. Set up the new rule going forward, ideally some kind of council/democracy/7 Kingdoms being separate. Then relinquish his power and go back to the North North. Be with Tormund and Ghost or the Black Watch or whatever. Have him victorious but near broken by everything that happened. Maybe he's miserable forever or relishes the peace. To me that's bittersweet. The good guy wins but at a huge cost to himself. Actually everybody left alive wins but at huge personal costs.
This post was edited on 5/17/19 at 10:31 am
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:38 am to Dave Worth
quote:This I would be ok with. I mean Varys is sending letters in support of Jon episode 5. Maybe they decide to make him king especially after he kills Dany and then he sets up the council and asks Bran to handle it. The leaks just don't read that way, hopefully they are wrong or leaving that out.
My personal favorite would have been for Jon to ultimately win everything. Set up the new rule going forward, ideally some kind of council/democracy/7 Kingdoms being separate. Then relinquish his power and go back to the North North. Be with Tormund and Ghost or the Black Watch or whatever. Have him victorious but near broken by everything that happened. Maybe he's miserable forever or relishes the peace. To me that's bittersweet. The good guy wins but at a huge cost to himself. Actually everybody left alive wins but at huge personal costs.
Posted on 5/18/19 at 8:31 pm to trux83LSU
The leaks aren’t real for 6!!!!
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