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re: Spinoff: Rank the Harry Potter Books
Posted on 7/21/15 at 9:06 pm to ell_13
Posted on 7/21/15 at 9:06 pm to ell_13
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possibility of zero reward.
Oh wow. The ONLY reason Snape seeks Dumbledore is to save Lily for himself(he even says he doesn't give a frick about James and Harry.)
He is in a perfect position. Either side wins, he gets to live. Such a frontrunner
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Posted on 7/21/15 at 9:14 pm to UncleBlazer
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So he spied on Quirrell(he failed btw)
He prevented him from getting to the Stone even quicker. No one could have suspected he was being possessed by Voldemort.
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He talked with Karkaroff about the dark mark(ultimately ended up being pointless)
It gave them the heads up that Voldemort was going to return because it was getting darker.
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He gave the order so much info(about what, we don't know)
I just told you what he was filling them in on. The entire book they were on guard at the ministry because they knew Voldemort was after a "weapon".
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He killed Dumbledore so Malfoy could stay alive and have a pure heart(wgaf).
Wow, you're dumb. Dumbledore was going to die anyways because he tried on the curse ring. Dumbledore asked Snape to be the one to end his life because a) he knew Malfoy wouldn't be able to carry it out and knew what the meant for his family, b) yes, he cared enough for Malfoy to keep him from having to murder, c) he didn't want to be a chew toy for Fenrir, and most importantly d) being the one that killed Dumbledore would put Snape in the perfect postion to be top of the line death eater and be put in charge of the school, which would ensure that the students would be kept safe.
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The ONE thing that was important beyond all was telling Harry what must be done. And had Harry not come up to him as he lay dieing, he would have failed
He kept asking to go find Harry for this reason.
Posted on 7/21/15 at 9:18 pm to sicboy
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Wow, you're dumb. Dumbledore was going to die anyways because he tried on the curse ring. Dumbledore asked Snape to be the one to end his life because a) he knew Malfoy wouldn't be able to carry it out and knew what the meant for his family, b) yes, he cared enough for Malfoy to keep him from having to murder, c) he didn't want to be a chew toy for Fenrir, and most importantly d) being the one that killed Dumbledore would put Snape in the perfect postion to be top of the line death eater and be put in charge of the school, which would ensure that the students would be kept safe.
Did I not just say this? These reasons were pointless other than the keeping the students safe. But he didn't. They were still beaten and tortured.
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He kept asking to go find Harry for this reason.
Doesn't change the fact that he failed if not for Harry randomly being in the right place at the right time. When you're given a task of that importance, you don't wait until there's a huge fricking battle going on to do it.
This post was edited on 7/21/15 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 7/21/15 at 9:57 pm to WicKed WayZ
1) Deathly Hallows
2) Half-Blood Prince
3) Azkaban
4) Goblet of Fire
5) Sorcerer's Stone
6) Chamber of Secrets
7) Order of the Phoenix
2) Half-Blood Prince
3) Azkaban
4) Goblet of Fire
5) Sorcerer's Stone
6) Chamber of Secrets
7) Order of the Phoenix
Posted on 7/21/15 at 10:47 pm to UncleBlazer
Snape is easily my favorite character. He's so complex and just evil enough to really be awesome once you read through all the books again knowing the lengths he went to protect Harry and bring down Voldemort.
I don't think he did it for Harry in the beginning, but for Lily, but by the end, he came to respect Harry and wanted to see him beat Voldemort just as much as anyone
I don't think he did it for Harry in the beginning, but for Lily, but by the end, he came to respect Harry and wanted to see him beat Voldemort just as much as anyone
Posted on 7/21/15 at 10:59 pm to WicKed WayZ
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Snape is easily my favorite character. He's so complex and just evil enough to really be awesome once you read through all the books again knowing the lengths he went to protect Harry and bring down Voldemort.
Before the DH was released, I was subconsciously hoping that Snape was the actual main antagonist of the series over Voldemort himself, and had played both Voldemort and Dumbledore from the beginning, wanting the two sides to eliminate one another. I also thought that Snape entered an unbreakable vow with Lily to protect Harry to prove he was sorry for turning in the prophesy to Voldemort (with Dumbledore being the secret keeper). Once Voldemort is dead though, his vow is over.
Granted I was 16 when I wanted this, so I'm honestly glad it didn't come to fruition.
Posted on 7/21/15 at 11:16 pm to OMLandshark
I'm so mad I just saw this thread 3 pages in, anyone down for a group re-read? it's been years since my last re-read, favorite series of all time hands down.
As for my ranking, I am honestly surprised so many people have HBP as #1, to me HBP is like the 2nd act in a 3 act epic. It does a wonderful job of setting up the rest of the story and filling in important background info that the main story doesn't get to cover. Voldemort's past was fascinating, but as a stand alone book I rank it as last or 2nd to last behind Chamber of Secrets.
Here is my ranking with a one sentence reason for each
1. Deathly Hallows - Rarely does a final book or movie live up to the hype but this one did, battle of Hogwarts through the end was just amazing
2. Goblet of Fire - We really started to get into the dark wizards and got to see different types of magic and Harry starting to emerge as excellent
3. Order of the Phoenix - Great to see the ministry and it really showed how it would truly be Harry and the good guys vs. everyone
4. Prisoner of Azkaban - Just a great story and tying in Harry's parents background really made it wonderful
5. Sorcerer's Stone - The story that made us all fall in love with the series, yes it is childish and full of plot holes, but it was so wonderful as a 12 year old
6. Half Blood Prince - Like I said it does a great job of setting up the 7th book but as far as HP books go it was lacking, the final act was incredible though
7. Chamber of Secrets - We got to learn some more about Voldemort, but I put books 1&2 together, they are both childish and full of holes, I liked 1 better.
Also, I love each and every one of these books, although Chamber may be my 7th favorite HP book it is still probably in my top 10 books of all time. I am just lucky enough to have been the perfect age when these books came out and I grew up with them
As for my ranking, I am honestly surprised so many people have HBP as #1, to me HBP is like the 2nd act in a 3 act epic. It does a wonderful job of setting up the rest of the story and filling in important background info that the main story doesn't get to cover. Voldemort's past was fascinating, but as a stand alone book I rank it as last or 2nd to last behind Chamber of Secrets.
Here is my ranking with a one sentence reason for each
1. Deathly Hallows - Rarely does a final book or movie live up to the hype but this one did, battle of Hogwarts through the end was just amazing
2. Goblet of Fire - We really started to get into the dark wizards and got to see different types of magic and Harry starting to emerge as excellent
3. Order of the Phoenix - Great to see the ministry and it really showed how it would truly be Harry and the good guys vs. everyone
4. Prisoner of Azkaban - Just a great story and tying in Harry's parents background really made it wonderful
5. Sorcerer's Stone - The story that made us all fall in love with the series, yes it is childish and full of plot holes, but it was so wonderful as a 12 year old
6. Half Blood Prince - Like I said it does a great job of setting up the 7th book but as far as HP books go it was lacking, the final act was incredible though
7. Chamber of Secrets - We got to learn some more about Voldemort, but I put books 1&2 together, they are both childish and full of holes, I liked 1 better.
Also, I love each and every one of these books, although Chamber may be my 7th favorite HP book it is still probably in my top 10 books of all time. I am just lucky enough to have been the perfect age when these books came out and I grew up with them
Posted on 7/21/15 at 11:20 pm to Tiger1242
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As for my ranking, I am honestly surprised so many people have HBP as #1, to me HBP is like the 2nd act in a 3 act epic. It does a wonderful job of setting up the rest of the story and filling in important background info that the main story doesn't get to cover. Voldemort's past was fascinating, but as a stand alone book I rank it as last or 2nd to last behind Chamber of Secrets.
In my mind, the HBP is the Deathly Hallows Part 1. Yes, it's not complete, but it has such a good story and background, and it's tone is just great. It's the background needed for the finale, and it sets it up wonderfully.
Posted on 7/21/15 at 11:24 pm to Tiger1242
A group re-read would be great.
I don't know why I love Goblet so much, it probably has the least amount of Snape (my favorite character in it.) but it just has a mystique about it that makes it so re-readable.
The World Cup. The TRIWIZARD tournament, the Yule Ball, hell even S.P.E.W. Was awesome
I don't know why I love Goblet so much, it probably has the least amount of Snape (my favorite character in it.) but it just has a mystique about it that makes it so re-readable.
The World Cup. The TRIWIZARD tournament, the Yule Ball, hell even S.P.E.W. Was awesome
Posted on 7/21/15 at 11:25 pm to OMLandshark
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In my mind, the HBP is the Deathly Hallows Part 1. Yes, it's not complete, but it has such a good story and background, and it's tone is just great. It's the background needed for the finale, and it sets it up wonderfully.
I agree it did its job beautifully. HBP is like a great set-up man in a bullpen. It plays an extremely vital role in the series, and without it the series would surely fail. At the end of the day it's job was still to take the story from one superstar book, continue it on it's way, and pass it to another. This is just like a great set-up man takes the ball from one great arm, keep the game where it is at, and pass it a long to the closer
Posted on 7/21/15 at 11:27 pm to WicKed WayZ
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I don't know why I love Goblet so much, it probably has the least amount of Snape (my favorite character in it.) but it just has a mystique about it that makes it so re-readable.
Goblet of Fire was the first HP book that I didn't dread reading the begging part of the book
I uses to HATE having to get through those pre Hogwarts chapters, I wanted to get to the action
The World Cup was awesome though so I liked it
Posted on 7/21/15 at 11:35 pm to WicKed WayZ
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I don't know why I love Goblet so much, it probably has the least amount of Snape (my favorite character in it.) but it just has a mystique about it that makes it so re-readable.
And that's why I despise the movie so much. Really think about the number of suspects you have to who is behind the events of the novel:
1) Karkaroff
2) Bagman
3) Snape
4) Barty Crouch
5) Victor Krum
And then in the end it turns out to be Mad Eye Moody, the guy who has hunted down every last Death Eater that he could legally get away with? I remember shitting my pants. I was almost sure it was Bagman behind everything, but then it turns out to be Crouch's son, which I certainly didn't see coming. It's really just a great mystery novel, and the film tells you in less than 2 minutes who is behind it, and it's obvious Moody is obsessed with Harry from the start, unlike the books.
Posted on 7/21/15 at 11:43 pm to UncleBlazer
I think what you fail to realize is that Snape and Dumbledore both knew about the Deathly Hallows and knew Dumbledore was the Master of the Elder Wand. He then killed Dumbledore so Snape knew that Voldemort would eventually kill him, but he never wavered once in his loyalty to Lily and Dumbeldore. Now he was a dick to Harry all of his life, but I think that's what makes him great. He still protected him even though he hated him
Snape isn't my favorite character because he's a great person or because he was nice to Harry. He was unquestionably honorable to the point of knowing he was going to die and knew Harry himself (Lily's son) was to die too. All In order to defeat Voldemort. I also think it's great that he still received orders from Dumbledore from his portrait in the headmasters office.
Snape isn't my favorite character because he's a great person or because he was nice to Harry. He was unquestionably honorable to the point of knowing he was going to die and knew Harry himself (Lily's son) was to die too. All In order to defeat Voldemort. I also think it's great that he still received orders from Dumbledore from his portrait in the headmasters office.
This post was edited on 7/21/15 at 11:45 pm
Posted on 7/22/15 at 7:07 am to Tiger1242
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I'm so mad I just saw this thread 3 pages in, anyone down for a group re-read? it's been years since my last re-read, favorite series of all time hands down.
I'm down for a re-read, its been a while since ive read them all
Posted on 7/22/15 at 7:19 am to WicKed WayZ
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I think what you fail to realize is that Snape and Dumbledore both knew about the Deathly Hallows and knew Dumbledore was the Master of the Elder Wand
Snape didn't know about them at all. I mean, he might have heard about the Deathly Hallows at some point (remember they were thought to be just a kids bedtime story), but it took Voldemort doing a lot of investigative work to figure out Dumbledore actually had the wand. When he went to retrieve it, he told Snape to wait in the castle. Snape knew about the cloak but no one ever suspected it was a hallow except Dumbledore. And anyone involved with the ring just thought it was an important heirloom.
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He then killed Dumbledore so Snape knew that Voldemort would eventually kill him
Again, no one knew about the significance of the wand, and it was only Voldemort's incorrect assumption that it was the person who killed the previous owner of the wand who now had it's allegiance. That was one of my favorite parts of Hallows when Harry questioned Ollivander about whether or not the previous owner had to be killed, to which he replied (paraphrase) "Killed? Not necessarily. The history of the elder wand is bloody, but that's only because it was such a desired object." That's when Harry realized that he was now the master of the wand because he knew Malfoy was the one that disarmed Dumbledore, and Harry had disarmed Malfoy at the mansion.
And as far as Snape eventually liking Harry, or respecting for that matter, remember the memory in Hallows when Dumbledore hints that Snape might be feeling sympathetic for Harry, to which Snape summons his patronus and it's Lily's Doe.
Dumbledore: "Still?"
Snape: (tears in his eyes) "Always."
It was always because of her. That and his devotion to Dumbledore is what drove him.
What a friggin great series
Posted on 7/22/15 at 7:27 am to sicboy
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Snape didn't know about them at all. I mean, he might have heard about the Deathly Hallows at some point (remember they were thought to be just a kids bedtime story), but it took Voldemort doing a lot of investigative work to figure out Dumbledore actually had the wand. When he went to retrieve it, he told Snape to wait in the castle.
Eh, Dumbledore knew Voldemort would want the wand and would eventually figure out he had it. Snape was aware of this too. It's been years since my last read so I am ashamed to admit I may be missing a detail or two.
Dumbledore knew that willingly letting Snape kill him meant that Snape wouldn't have control of the wand right?
Posted on 7/22/15 at 7:32 am to Tiger1242
Right. Dumbledore would die without ever having been "defeated". The power of the wand would end.
Posted on 7/22/15 at 7:33 am to Tiger1242
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Snape was aware of this too
Pretty sure he didn't. Dumbledore kept the fact that it was the elder wand a secret because he knew people would come for it eventually. His intention was for it to be buried with him and the "curse" of it would end. There was so much he couldn't let Snape know, and I'm sure this was one of those facts. He instructed Snape to give Harry the sword but would never tell him why.
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Dumbledore knew that willingly letting Snape kill him meant that Snape wouldn't have control of the wand right?
I think that might have been explained in Harry's vision at the end of Hallows when he was talking to Dumbledore at the train station. Perhaps Malfoy making it as far as he did in Prince and disarming Dumbledore wasn't planned. But I'm fairly certain Snape never knew the significance of the wand. But Dumbledore definitely wanted the wand's identity to remain a secret.
Posted on 7/22/15 at 7:40 am to ell_13
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Right. Dumbledore would die without ever having been "defeated". The power of the wand would end.
I think that was his intention but he never fully explained that to Snape. Since he was around Voldemort so much, he was very selective about what info he confided in Snape.
Remember the big reason Dumbledore told Harry to never tell anyone about the quest for the horcrux's was because he knew as soon as Voldemort found out they were hunting them, they would be almost impossible to get to. The more Voldemort was in the dark, the better.
Posted on 7/22/15 at 7:43 am to sicboy
You're right. Snape didn't know. And the Malfoy disarming was not planned.
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