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re: Spidey aint gonna be a whitey
Posted on 2/24/15 at 8:48 am to Scruffy
Posted on 2/24/15 at 8:48 am to Scruffy
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Marvel is considering nixing the Morales Spider-Man comic. Not sure what kind of impact that'll have.
Because although the storyline is pretty solid, it's not a fun read.
And honestly, I would be completely ok, and probably cheer, if they went Parker and cast Donald Glover rather than Morales at all. Parker is Spider-Man.
And I'd be saying the same thing, if/when they announce Sam Alexander Nova, which will just be terrible, instead of super awesome Rich Rider.
This post was edited on 2/24/15 at 11:20 am
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Posted on 2/24/15 at 9:12 am to hg
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When's the last time you knew of a black man named Peter?
Sup
Posted on 2/24/15 at 9:22 am to Hester Carries
For me, Spider-Man is the suit, not the person in the suit. He could be green for all I care. When he puts on the suit, he is Spider-Man.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 9:37 am to Freauxzen
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And I'd be saying the same thing, if/when they announce Sam Alexander Nova, which will just be terrible, instead of super awesome Rich Rider.
Looks like they've been setting that up with their animated universe.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 10:59 am to LSUZombie
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For me, Spider-Man is the suit, not the person in the suit. He could be green for all I care. When he puts on the suit, he is Spider-Man.
How?
There are few alter egos more iconic than Parker. Maybe Wayne, that's about it. Parker is so ingrained in Spider-Man it's nearly impossible to see it any other way.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 11:12 am to LSUZombie
quote:Is Batman also just the suit? Superman?
For me, Spider-Man is the suit, not the person in the suit. He could be green for all I care. When he puts on the suit, he is Spider-Man.
Why is Spider-Man just the suit?
Posted on 2/24/15 at 11:18 am to Scruffy
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Is Batman also just the suit? Superman? Why is Spider-Man just the suit?
I think their alter egos are very important
But I don't think the race of the alter egos defines them either way
If the best actor to play Spider-Man is black, then cast him...if not then don't.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 11:21 am to LSUZombie
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Spider-Man is the suit, not the person in the suit
I guess you never got into the comics. It was all about Peter Parker and his daily struggles.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 11:28 am to wildtigercat93
quote:So is Spider-Man's.
I think their alter egos are very important
quote:I agree, but there is a black Spider-Man, Miles Morales. No need to change a character to create a black one.
If the best actor to play Spider-Man is black, then cast him...if not then don't.
I wouldn't mind them using Morales for the role. They need a major black Avenger. They also need a super powered female character.
Also, there is a black Batman now, well, besides Marvel's Black Panther.
His name is Batwing.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 11:44 am to Scruffy
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I agree, but there is a black Spider-Man, Miles Morales. No need to change a character to create a black one.
What about Peter Parker's character, personality etc is directly tied to him being white though besides familiarity?
Posted on 2/24/15 at 11:46 am to Scruffy
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I wouldn't mind them using Morales for the role. They need a major black Avenger. They also need a super powered female character.
Ms. Marvel and Black Panther?
Posted on 2/24/15 at 11:47 am to Scruffy
I don't understand why there "needs" to be a black character. Forcing someone into a role because of their race is just dumb.
Like someone said, If he's the best for the role, great. But taking a traditionally established white character and making him black just to appease an audience or to change it up is stupid.
Like someone said, If he's the best for the role, great. But taking a traditionally established white character and making him black just to appease an audience or to change it up is stupid.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 11:52 am to wildtigercat93
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What about Peter Parker's character, personality etc is directly tied to him being white though besides familiarity?
Outside of a character being a member of the KKK, there is never anything that makes them specifically white.
Why is it that you'd rather blacks feed off the table scraps of comic writers rather than cook their own dinners?
There is something sad about being forced to co-opt white characters rather than having your own.
But if you support perpetuating that racial injustice, so be it.
Now who is the racist?
This post was edited on 2/24/15 at 11:53 am
Posted on 2/24/15 at 11:53 am to Freauxzen
quote:Yea. Carol Danvers would be a good addition. They need someone who doesn't constantly need rescuing.
Ms. Marvel and Black Panther?
Black Widow is too weak of a character. They need someone with Thor-like strength and durability.
This post was edited on 2/24/15 at 11:57 am
Posted on 2/24/15 at 11:57 am to Scruffy
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Why is it that you'd rather blacks feed off the table scraps of comic writers rather than cook their own dinners? There is something sad about being forced to co-opt white characters rather than having your own. But if you support perpetuating that racial injustice, so be it.
Scruffy stop going full retard. I said like 2 seconds ago that I'm not saying they need to or should or that I want them to have a black Spider-Man.
I said if the best actor that can portray Spider-Man happens to be black then I'm all for it. And I don't see why he couldn't be Peter Parker in that case so I was asking what about the PP character makes you so adamant that he specifically has to be white in order to keep the characters background in check with his comic history?
Eta and I'm not calling you a racist. I'm just trying to have a discussion about the character that deals with his race. Why does someone have to be a racist in that situation? Calm down with the overreaction
This post was edited on 2/24/15 at 11:59 am
Posted on 2/24/15 at 12:07 pm to wildtigercat93
The character has been white in every iteration of every comic where the character Spider-Man had the secret identity of Peter Parker. 
And like you said, if the best actor is black, let there be a black Spider-Man, but don't scrounge at the table for scraps.
For example, the original Green Lantern was Alan Scott, a white male. You then had the more popular Hal Jordan. They didn't take his character and make a black Scott or Jordan.
They made John Stewart, who is arguably better than his predecessors.
My point is, you could change the character's race and it would work, but it is sad that that is all that they are given.
They have a black Spider-Man that has done relatively well. Why throw the character away?
And like you said, if the best actor is black, let there be a black Spider-Man, but don't scrounge at the table for scraps.
For example, the original Green Lantern was Alan Scott, a white male. You then had the more popular Hal Jordan. They didn't take his character and make a black Scott or Jordan.
They made John Stewart, who is arguably better than his predecessors.
My point is, you could change the character's race and it would work, but it is sad that that is all that they are given.
They have a black Spider-Man that has done relatively well. Why throw the character away?
This post was edited on 2/24/15 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 2/24/15 at 12:11 pm to Scruffy
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And like you said, if the best actor is black, let there be a black Spider-Man, but don't scrounge at the table for scraps.
I don't understand what this means. I don't think Peter Parker, one of the most recognizable characters in comic history, would be considered "scraps"
Posted on 2/24/15 at 12:13 pm to JinFL
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I guess you never got into the comics
I've read tons of comics, but Spider-Man was never my favorite. Just too goofy and the character of Peter Parker did little to interest me. Unlike Klark Kent or Bruce Wayne, who were interesting outside the suit, Spider-Man, to me, was always just the suit.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 12:16 pm to wildtigercat93
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Why throw the character away?
As a movie adaptation? 90 percent of Marvels target audience probably wouldn't recognize the Morales name and that's a risk they aren't taking
And again let me talk about their personalities...what are the differences in that regard? In honestly asking
Seems like if the characters are different enough that someone could be black and be a better fit for Parker's character than morales or vice versa, no?
This post was edited on 2/24/15 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 2/24/15 at 12:17 pm to wildtigercat93
quote:The character isn't the scrap. It's the action itself.
I don't understand what this means. I don't think Peter Parker, one of the most recognizable characters in comic history, would be considered "scraps"
"Well, we should add a black character. Let's just take a white character and make him black. It would be too hard to have an actual, originally black character."
And that is the loop we are now stuck in.
This post was edited on 2/24/15 at 12:18 pm
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