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re: Spidey aint gonna be a whitey
Posted on 2/24/15 at 12:18 pm to wildtigercat93
Posted on 2/24/15 at 12:18 pm to wildtigercat93
The problem is that some of us grew up reading comics, and we have an image of what those characters should look like etched in our head. There are enough white actors available that fit the bill that the argument of "the best actor to portray them is black" really doesn't apply here. If they cast a black person to play Peter Parker (who has been etched in everyone who's ever read a Spider-Man comic, seen a Spider-man cartoon, or seen a Spider-Man movie as being white), I would argue that it is only for the sake of PC.
As I've already stated earlier in the thread, I have no problem with them using a black actor to be Spider-Man. But it needs to be Miles Morales, who is actually black/latino in the comics.
Would you think it would be a good idea to cast a black or latino person to play someone like General Patton, Winston Churchill, or General Rommel in a WW2 movie? I don't because those people weren't black/latino just like Peter Parker isn't black or latino.
As I've already stated earlier in the thread, I have no problem with them using a black actor to be Spider-Man. But it needs to be Miles Morales, who is actually black/latino in the comics.
Would you think it would be a good idea to cast a black or latino person to play someone like General Patton, Winston Churchill, or General Rommel in a WW2 movie? I don't because those people weren't black/latino just like Peter Parker isn't black or latino.
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Posted on 2/24/15 at 12:20 pm to Scruffy
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"Well, we should add a black character. Let's just take a white character and make him black. It would be too hard to have an actual, originally black character."
You are talking about a different situation than I am. Mine goes more like this
"Hey we need a new Spider-Man. Let's get the best group of 20-30 yr old actors we can find and let them audition for the role"
"Holy shite did you see that Donald Glover guy? Perfect personality for Peter Parker and the fans love him. I think he's our guy"
Or insert another actor in there white or black. As long as it's the best fit
Posted on 2/24/15 at 12:23 pm to Bamatab
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Would you think it would be a good idea to cast a black or latino person to play someone like General Patton, Winston Churchill, or General Rommel in a WW2 movie? I don't because those people weren't black/latino just like Peter Parker isn't black or latino.
Those are real people so that example sucks.
The better comparison would be another fictional character like James Bond.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 12:24 pm to wildtigercat93
i agree with bamatabs point that the "best fit" argument really doesnt play out in this scenario. if they chose a black actor, it would be because they want him to be black.
theres never "one" best fit. roles pass through several different actors hands usually.
theres never "one" best fit. roles pass through several different actors hands usually.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 12:25 pm to Dr RC
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The better comparison would be another fictional character like James Bond.
#teamIdris because he's a badass, not because he's black
007 is just a code name
Posted on 2/24/15 at 12:26 pm to BlacknGold
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if they chose a black actor, it would be because they want him to be black.
I'm not sure this claim really holds water when the idea they might be "leaning ethnic" for Spidey is based off a random dude's rumor that contradicts other early rumors of two white as white dudes being front runners for Peter Parker.
This post was edited on 2/24/15 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 2/24/15 at 12:28 pm to wildtigercat93
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007 is just a code name
I mean, that's always been a fun theory and all but it's pretty clearly false considering multiple Bond actors have referenced the same dead wife in the films.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 12:31 pm to Dr RC
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Those are real people so that example sucks.
The better comparison would be another fictional character like James Bond.
The example probably does suck, but my point is that characters like Peter Parker, Bruce Wayne, Clark Kent, ect. have "historical" (for a lack of a better word) significance to a lot of people that grew up reading comics. And a lot of those people have an image of what traits those characters should have. And if you go screwing with those images, then be prepared for some level of backlash, especially when they are being changed for the sole purpose of pandering to political correctness (whether they admit it or not).
Again, if they want a black Spider-man, fine. Just make him Miles Morales and not Peter Parker.
This post was edited on 2/24/15 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 2/24/15 at 12:34 pm to wildtigercat93
Do you apply that to all acting roles, or just fictional characters? Many of these characters have histories spanning 60 years.
I just don't understand why people would want to change something that has been a certain way for decades rather than create something original and new or use a character that already fits that characteristic.
And as for people not knowing the character, let's not forget that we have had successful movies with unknowns and Marvel is creating movies with unknowns.
Antman - I can guarantee the general public has no idea who he is.
Guardians of the Galaxy - they weren't even very popular in the comic book world.
Others:
Doctor Strange
Ms. Marvel
The Inhumans (probably least known of all)
Building Miles Morales up would not be nearly as hard as you are making it out to be.
And like many people are saying, they are tired of PP.
I just don't understand why people would want to change something that has been a certain way for decades rather than create something original and new or use a character that already fits that characteristic.
And as for people not knowing the character, let's not forget that we have had successful movies with unknowns and Marvel is creating movies with unknowns.
Antman - I can guarantee the general public has no idea who he is.
Guardians of the Galaxy - they weren't even very popular in the comic book world.
Others:
Doctor Strange
Ms. Marvel
The Inhumans (probably least known of all)
Building Miles Morales up would not be nearly as hard as you are making it out to be.
And like many people are saying, they are tired of PP.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 12:35 pm to Bamatab
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especially when they are being changed for the sole purpose of pandering to political correctness.
Except you can't say that because nobody has been cast, we don't know who all they are considering, and we don't know what the film will even be about.
All we have is a rumor that they are leaning towards an ethnic casting. (which by the way implies they are doing more than simply looking at purely black actors)
This post was edited on 2/24/15 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 2/24/15 at 12:37 pm to Scruffy
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Antman - I can guarantee the general public has no idea who he is.
And the most well-known Ant-Man (Hank Pym) isn't even going to be the main character (only a supporting character). Apparently Scott Lang is going to be the Ant-Man that the Marvel movie universe focuses on.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 12:40 pm to Dr RC
quote:What he is saying is that changing Peter Parker from white to another race is essentially pandering to the PC crowd, especially if they have a black/Latino Spider-man out there already.
Except you can't say that because nobody has been cast, we don't know who all they are considering, and we don't know what the film will even be about.
That is if they go that route, which we don't know if that is true or not.
This post was edited on 2/24/15 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 2/24/15 at 12:44 pm to Scruffy
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What he is saying is that changing Peter Parker from white to another race is essentially pandering to the PC crowd, especially if they have a black/Latino Spider-man out there already.
That is a silly claim to make if they cast a guy who they think will actually play the role well.
Again, we don't know who they are even looking at right now. The only two people that have been named in rumors are white guys.
Was Marvel pandering when they cast a black Heimdall or did they just think Idris Elba kicks arse?
If they cast some dude who everyone knows is weak as hell as an actor, then sure. Go ahead and make that claim.
I doubt that will happen though.
This post was edited on 2/24/15 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 2/24/15 at 12:45 pm to Dr RC
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Except you can't say that because nobody has been cast, we don't know who all they are considering, and we don't know what the film will even be about.
I realize they haven't cast anyone yet, and I really don't by the rumor yet either. My statement was predicated on the hypothetical scenario where they cast Peter Parker as a minority.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 12:48 pm to Bamatab
I just don't think you can necessarily make the assumption that a casting of a black Spiderman automatically equals pandering.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 12:48 pm to Dr RC
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That is a silly claim to make if they cast a guy who they think will actually play the role well.
Why is it a silly claim? There is 60 years of history stating that Peter Parker is white.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 12:50 pm to Dr RC
quote:Although I think Elba is an amazing actor, I would agree that Heimdall was a move to have a black character.
Was Marvel pandering when they cast a black Heimdall or did they just think Idris Elba kicks arse?
Heimdall wasn't exactly a complicated role.
Prior to that role, Elba wasn't exactly the heavy hitter he is now.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 12:50 pm to Bamatab
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Why is it a silly claim? There is 60 years of history stating that Peter Parker is white.
And? There is 60 years of Bond being white yet the majority of people here want Idris Elba to play him in the future.
Why would Parker as a black man be pandering when Bond would not?
Posted on 2/24/15 at 12:53 pm to Dr RC
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Again, we don't know who they are even looking at right now. The only two people that have been named in rumors are white guys.
right. thats why this is all speculative talk right now. we arent saying they have cast a black guy as spidey. its just what that decision would probably mean if the main character is PP and they go in that direction.
were you not the same poster who went off for 10 pages about Michael B Jordan being johnny storm?
Posted on 2/24/15 at 12:53 pm to Dr RC
quote:It isn't the casting of a black Spider-Man. It is the casting of a black Peter Parker, especially when they have a perfectly good black/Latino Miles Morales.
I just don't think you can necessarily make the assumption that a casting of a black Spiderman automatically equals pandering.
If the best actor is black, why not have him play a black character rather than basically saying that Miles Morales isn't good enough?
Also, I'm expecting Capt. America to go to the Falcon after Chris Evans leaves.
This post was edited on 2/24/15 at 12:55 pm
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