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Posted on 5/1/23 at 11:02 am to AUCom96
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Aethelstan was an actual historical figure with multiple wives and more than 10 children.
Now I will admit that all my research was watching a single youtube video about the real history of the characters but it said that the show was taking liberties with the fact that Aethelstan never married or had children and his brother Edmond succeeded him on the throne.
Posted on 5/1/23 at 11:08 am to AUCom96
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..let a spy manipulate him via a homosexual relationship to the point he kills his half brother, one of his closest friends and advisors and then jumps into an idiotic war out of the blue
Keep in mind, the movie takes place over several years so it wasn't necessarily out of the blue. He also gets manipulated into thinking that he only has one path to salvation and he doesn't anticipate all the other kings coming together against him. His plan was to conqeur them one at a time.
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It makes even less sense that when he learns he's snowed, he suddenly reverts back to the season 5 character and all is forgiven.
Uhtred showed time and time again that he was WAY too forgiving to everyone. He should have killed Brita and at the very least turned away from Alfred and Edward if not out right killing them too. The fact that he forgave Aethelstan as soon as he realized the fault of his thinking.
Posted on 5/1/23 at 11:27 am to Esquire
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You sure about that?
That Aethelstan was an actual historical figure? Yes. That the character in the show resembled him in any way, not at all, but I still don't understand - outside of the usual woke BS - why you suddenly change the character into a vindictive, gullible homosexual to drive your plot. Half the movie made it seem Aethelstan was the antagonist and the Danish raider behind his manipulation gets very much lost in the shuffle. Relative the show, it's very weak writing.
Posted on 5/1/23 at 11:35 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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Now I will admit that all my research was watching a single youtube video about the real history of the characters but it said that the show was taking liberties with the fact that Aethelstan never married or had children and his brother Edmond succeeded him on the throne.
Yeah, I'm confusing a couple of people so I'm a dumbass on that. But, that aside, I still find the writing decision in the movie a bad one. It would have made more sense to focus on the danish raider and detail his internal sabotage campaign with more than "gay lover says so".
Posted on 5/1/23 at 12:40 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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Uhtred showed time and time again that he was WAY too forgiving to everyone. He should have killed Brita and at the very least turned away from Alfred and Edward if not out right killing them too.
He tried to play the middle in what amounted to a holy war.
Posted on 5/2/23 at 10:58 am to AUCom96
He never married and had no children.
Posted on 5/2/23 at 11:36 am to AlxTgr
Yes and anytime a king does not marry or father children or even keep mistresses both their contemporaries and later historians will tend to question their sexuality. Of course we don’t know for sure there could have been other reasons such as religious reasons or he simply wished to let his brother be heir. It’s also not out of the question that he was gay, England has had several kings who were likely gay. William II, Edward II, and James I are all thought to have had male lovers. I don’t see this as a woke decision as it really doesn’t portray his homosexuality in a positive light anyways. If anything it’s like a cautionary tale.
This post was edited on 5/2/23 at 7:19 pm
Posted on 5/3/23 at 6:43 am to QC Reb
quote:He promised Uhtred!
could have been other reasons
Posted on 5/3/23 at 7:24 am to QC Reb
It’s long and rumored that the historical Athelstan was gay. When the king of a country that passes king ship down from father to son has no children and never gets married, it’s pretty easy to wonder why.
I don’t think portraying him as gay is really woke at all, I think it was pretty likely that he was gay.
I don’t think portraying him as gay is really woke at all, I think it was pretty likely that he was gay.
Posted on 5/22/23 at 1:40 am to Duzz
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It was also harped over and over again how the Christian people were weak and only with the Vikings and their true gods could they win.
I think it portrayed the Vikings as being better suited for battle not because they were necessarily stronger, but because they were more animalistic and uncivilized. Thus they were unpredictable and hard to plan for.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 9:17 pm to jnethe1
I really hate Netflix for ruining this series and movie.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 9:26 pm to kengel2
We just wrapped up the series and movie the last 2 days.
Great show and I think they left it open to whether he lived or died at the end. Kinda like the top spinning at the end of Inception. We the audience choose which door he went through.
Great show and I think they left it open to whether he lived or died at the end. Kinda like the top spinning at the end of Inception. We the audience choose which door he went through.
Posted on 6/15/23 at 9:06 am to Tiger1242
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I don’t think portraying him as gay is really woke at all, I think it was pretty likely that he was gay.
Making him gay, and making that gayness the plot driver, was either wokeness or lazy writing. Historically it’s not known for sure if he was gay. But the books this show and movie are based on said nothing about his sexuality.
Posted on 6/15/23 at 9:21 am to Tiger1242
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I don’t think portraying him as gay is really woke at all, I think it was pretty likely that he was gay.
It checked a box, so yes, it was woke because we don't KNOW. But that's entirely beside the point. Taking a character who shows one very distinct personality at the end of the show and then him transforming into such a hormone led fool to authorize the killing of not only his closest advisor but also turning against the man who raised him and defended his life was too much to buy and made his subsequent redemption kind of silly.
It's bad writing more than woke, but the action down the stretch saved it. It's far from being on the level of the show in terms of quality, but it's still decent.
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