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Posted on 4/20/17 at 2:48 pm to DelU249
So NBC made Leno leave, then asked him back?
Posted on 4/20/17 at 2:50 pm to DelU249
quote:and late night talk shows usually get more than a year
but sit coms don't get a full year
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Posted on 4/20/17 at 2:53 pm to DelU249
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conan isn't really that funny doing a monologue or talking with anyone.
I take it you haven't watched much of Conan at all
Posted on 4/20/17 at 2:54 pm to DelU249
Yes, Leno was the bad guy. If he didn't want to retire then he should've stayed at The Tonight Show instead saying he was going to pass the torch. His primetime show was awful and was an awful lead-in to Conan.
The transition to the 10:30 spot was going to be tough anyway for Conan because his brand of humor was tailored to younger viewers. It wasn't for middle America which is what Leno and Carson aimed for. That said, if Conan had been given the same amount of time that Leno was given to adapt, I think he would've been just fine. Remember, Leno was getting his arse beat for two years until Hugh Grant came on the show after getting arrested. In fact, I think of the move had happened a few years later then the transition would've been just as seemless as it was for Leno and Fallon.
Also don't forget that it was Leno that forced NBC to put the heat on Carson to retire.
The transition to the 10:30 spot was going to be tough anyway for Conan because his brand of humor was tailored to younger viewers. It wasn't for middle America which is what Leno and Carson aimed for. That said, if Conan had been given the same amount of time that Leno was given to adapt, I think he would've been just fine. Remember, Leno was getting his arse beat for two years until Hugh Grant came on the show after getting arrested. In fact, I think of the move had happened a few years later then the transition would've been just as seemless as it was for Leno and Fallon.
Also don't forget that it was Leno that forced NBC to put the heat on Carson to retire.
This post was edited on 4/20/17 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 4/20/17 at 2:56 pm to ManBearTiger
he's funny to me, but he just doesn't seem natural.
he went on letterman a couple of years later and he wasn't funny or interesting. he told this whole boring story about kids and meeting the president and he had this really fake laugh. I like that he's self deprecating and I think he writes funny stuff, but just standing in front of the crowd, I don't think was really that good. I haven't watched his TBS show.
he went on letterman a couple of years later and he wasn't funny or interesting. he told this whole boring story about kids and meeting the president and he had this really fake laugh. I like that he's self deprecating and I think he writes funny stuff, but just standing in front of the crowd, I don't think was really that good. I haven't watched his TBS show.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 3:00 pm to FairhopeTider
quote:I don't know why and i'm sure it's multi faceted, but fallon, kimmel, Colbert (who is #1 now), and conan never did the kind of numbers letterman and leno did
The transition to the 10:30 spot was going to be tough anyway for Conan because his brand of humor was tailored to younger viewers. It wasn't for middle America which is what Leno and Carson aimed for.
so maybe the wheel wasn't reinvented, or maybe younger audiences just don't dig the format.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 3:03 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:yeah but it's the tonight show. the expectations are different.
and late night talk shows usually get more than a year
Posted on 4/20/17 at 3:04 pm to DelU249
I think there are just so many more options now. Late Night shows used to be the only place you could see a celebrity have a sit down interview and let their hair down. Now there are thousands of options.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 3:05 pm to DelU249
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maybe half a year wasn't enough
ya think?
Have you seen how long it has taken Colbert's show to figure itself out and get its legs?
Posted on 4/20/17 at 3:05 pm to FairhopeTider
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Yes, Leno was the bad guy. If he didn't want to retire then he should've stayed at The Tonight Show instead saying he was going to pass the torch. His primetime show was awful and was an awful lead-in to Conan.
I think NBC pretty well told him they were given Conan the tonight show and just gave him time to figure out when he wanted to leave.
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The transition to the 10:30 spot was going to be tough anyway for Conan because his brand of humor was tailored to younger viewers. It wasn't for middle America which is what Leno and Carson aimed for.
This is why he was an awful choice for the job and why he bombed as hard as he did.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 3:07 pm to BulldogXero
I'm with Team Leno
Posted on 4/20/17 at 3:08 pm to GetCocky11
quote:did the show find its legs? or did Donald trump get elected president? seriously, it's a fair question to ask.
Have you seen how long it has taken Colbert's show to figure itself out and get its legs?
Posted on 4/20/17 at 3:12 pm to Marciano1
quote:I don't think i'm team anything. nbc fricked up. I don't think either did anything wrong and i think conan should be bitter.
I'm with Team Leno
It's just weird that leno gets all the blame and conan dindu nuffin.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 3:21 pm to DelU249
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and conan dindu nuffin.
because he didn't.....He took the job NBC promised him in order to keep him there and then they pulled the rug from under him before being able to find his footing. CBS' patience paid off allowing Colbert to find his groove and its apparently paid off, but that also could be thanks to Trump. I really haven't watched Colbert at all since he left CC though.
Conan is better off where he's at though, he gets to do the things that made him successful without having to go totally vanilla to aim for broad appeal.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 3:29 pm to DelU249
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conan isn't really that funny
This is the correct answer!!!!! Most people thought Leno was 10X funnier.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 3:29 pm to GetCocky11
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Have you seen how long it has taken Colbert's show to figure itself out and get its legs?
colbert's show is basically the colbert report with a wider range of celebrity guests and a live band. that's it.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 3:31 pm to BilJ
quote:i'm sure it's terrifying taking that job. it's terrifying to put something out there and have people let you know if you're any good.
because he didn't
numbers were bad. conan had nothing to do with that? I'm not saying conan didn't get a raw deal either, he did.
quote:did he ask for that or did nbc promise him that. the latter I get, the former...are you only eligible for the tonight show gig if you work at nbc?
He took the job NBC promised him in order to keep him there and then they pulled the rug from under him before being able to find his footing.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 3:35 pm to DelU249
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aybe half a year wasn't enoug
It's hard to say. I haven't done the research myself, I'm only taking this from headlines but I believe Colbert's ratings have recovered nicely after a pretty rough start.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 3:38 pm to DelU249
You know I don't usually like to make sweeping generalizations about people based one 1 thing, but if someone is Team Leno that pretty much tells me all I need to know about them.
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