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re: Rank the Harry Potter books (or movies) (Spoilers) (long)
Posted on 8/26/12 at 10:56 am to LeonPhelps
Posted on 8/26/12 at 10:56 am to LeonPhelps
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As Tiger1242 pointed out, it was only due to the self-fulfilling prophecy that Harry had the tools to defeat Voldemort. So nothing innate to Harry allowed him to win, it was only because Voldemort gave him a piece of his own soul inadvertently after Harry's mom sacrificed herself to protect Harry. Harry was not special at all, and that is really disappointing for a fantasy book.
If you knew the themes of the books then you would accept that Harry Potter being or not being all-powerful really isn't that important in the grand scheme of things.
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Posted on 8/26/12 at 10:57 am to OMLandshark
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Yep. Who cares if it isn't as plot oriented as some of the other books? Its very well done, and I love the tone. My favorite scene in all the books is Harry confronting Snape as Hagrid's hut burns in the background
It's using this scene when I say no way Harry could beat Vildemrt without the connection they share. Snaps absolutely rapes Harry, and while I'm not sure Voldemorts could beat Snape in a duel, I know it would at least be very, very close. And Snape skull fricked Harry hard
Posted on 8/26/12 at 10:57 am to RollTide1987
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That would have been against character though. Voldemort believed that Harry Potter was the only one who presented a threat to him. When Harry had "died," Voldemort no longer feared anyone or anything. Even though he was now mortal, he was still the most powerful wizard alive. Besides the deceased Albus Dumbledore, Harry Potter was the only other wizard who had the guts to face off against Voldemort mano-a-mano.
Then he's an idiot. Didn't he kill off an entire room of dozens of people just because they found out about his Horcruxes. Even Voldemort should know that having at least two other people know about this will spell disaster for him when they start to spread the word about his horcruxes and what they are.
Posted on 8/26/12 at 10:58 am to Tiger1242
Books
1. Half-Blood Prince
2. Deathly Hallows- My only problem is that it feels rushed at the end with a few of the Horcruxes.
3. Prisoner of Azkaban- This book probably had my favorite twist of the series.
4. Goblet of Fire- I found this very entertaining.
5. Chamber of Secrets
6. Sorcerer's Stone
7. Order of the Phoenix- I see no real reason for this book.
Movies
1. Deathly Hallows (Part 2)
2. Prisoner of Azkaban
3. Deathly Hallows (Part 1)- Not a bad movie, but the second part had the clear majority of the action.
4. Chamber of Secrets- I found this to be a good adaption of the book.
5. Half Blood Prince- Cut out some of Voldemort's memories that I enjoyed, and it also rushed things a bit.
6. Sorcerer's Stone
7. Goblet of Fire- I'm not sure what it was, but I liked the book version a lot more.
8. Order of the Phoenix- I see no real reason for this movie.
1. Half-Blood Prince
2. Deathly Hallows- My only problem is that it feels rushed at the end with a few of the Horcruxes.
3. Prisoner of Azkaban- This book probably had my favorite twist of the series.
4. Goblet of Fire- I found this very entertaining.
5. Chamber of Secrets
6. Sorcerer's Stone
7. Order of the Phoenix- I see no real reason for this book.
Movies
1. Deathly Hallows (Part 2)
2. Prisoner of Azkaban
3. Deathly Hallows (Part 1)- Not a bad movie, but the second part had the clear majority of the action.
4. Chamber of Secrets- I found this to be a good adaption of the book.
5. Half Blood Prince- Cut out some of Voldemort's memories that I enjoyed, and it also rushed things a bit.
6. Sorcerer's Stone
7. Goblet of Fire- I'm not sure what it was, but I liked the book version a lot more.
8. Order of the Phoenix- I see no real reason for this movie.
This post was edited on 8/26/12 at 11:03 am
Posted on 8/26/12 at 10:58 am to Scruffy
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The end made no sense. They walk in, kill Dumbledore, and then just walk out? WTF?
That just pissed me off. Their plan wasn't just to assassinate Dumbledore, they also planned on taking control of the school as well. The movie ruined everything about the ending to the Half-Blood Prince which, in my opinion, really redeemed the dullness of the book.
Posted on 8/26/12 at 10:59 am to Scruffy
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What really gets me is that there is supposed to be an entire battle at the end of that movie.
The end made no sense. They walk in, kill Dumbledore, and then just walk out? WTF?
supposedly they didnt want to have a huge battle at hogwarts at the end of two of the movies..complete bullshite. I hate the HBP movie so much and its my favortie of the books. I do have to say though that for all of its flaws the movie has one of my favorite scenes of any of the movies in it. The scene where Slughorn gives Harry the memory is very well done IMO.
Posted on 8/26/12 at 10:59 am to RollTide1987
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That just pissed me off. Their plan wasn't just to assassinate Dumbledore, they also planned on taking control of the school as well. The movie ruined everything about the ending to the Half-Blood Prince which, in my opinion, really redeemed the dullness of the book.
Nope, I don't think that was part of their plan. Their only goal was to kill Dumbledore.
Posted on 8/26/12 at 11:00 am to OMLandshark
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Then he's an idiot. Didn't he kill off an entire room of dozens of people just because they found out about his Horcruxes. Even Voldemort should know that having at least two other people know about this will spell disaster for him when they start to spread the word about his horcruxes and what they are.
But he's still the most powerful wizard the world has ever seen. The man is covered from head to toe with arrogance. He doesn't fear anyone. So what if they know his secret? They still have to kill him and, unless you are the true owner of the Elder Want, you aren't going to kill him by shouting "Expelliramus!"
Posted on 8/26/12 at 11:01 am to OMLandshark
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Nope, I don't think that was part of their plan. Their only goal was to kill Dumbledore.
They also wanted to take possession of the school. That was the reason for bringing all of those people into Hogwarts anyway. If they just wanted to assassinate Dumbledore they could have just had Malfoy and Snape do it before escaping.
Posted on 8/26/12 at 11:02 am to RollTide1987
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The man is covered from head to toe with arrogance. He doesn't fear anyone. So what if they know his secret?
He was pretty damn protective of it from what I remember. He was definitely flipping his shite when he found out that someone else knew.
Posted on 8/26/12 at 11:05 am to OMLandshark
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He was pretty damn protective of it from what I remember. He was definitely flipping his shite when he found out that someone else knew.
He was flipping his shite because the one thing he feared was death. That fear was probably magnified by the fact that the one person who the prophecy said could kill him also knew his secret.
This post was edited on 8/26/12 at 11:06 am
Posted on 8/26/12 at 11:05 am to RollTide1987
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They also wanted to take possession of the school. That was the reason for bringing all of those people into Hogwarts anyway. If they just wanted to assassinate Dumbledore they could have just had Malfoy and Snape do it before escaping.
Yeah they did, but that wasn't the mission for it. They were going to wait until they overthrew the Ministry. Seriously, how were they supposed to hold down Hogwarts with 5 people? There are 40 adults on the premise, and a thousand undertrained wizards. PLus I doubt they'd bring Greyback along when they have a long term occupation in mind, since he's not only likely to sabotage the mission on the full moon, but also mutilate dozens of kids. Even Death Eaters love their own kids and wouldn't want their kids locked up with him. You're not remembering that correctly.
This post was edited on 8/26/12 at 11:07 am
Posted on 8/26/12 at 11:06 am to OMLandshark
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He was pretty damn protective of it from what I remember. He was definitely flipping his shite when he found out that someone else knew.
but was he only that protective of it because he didnt want HP to find out? Once he thinks Potter is dead then in his mind he is untouchable
Posted on 8/26/12 at 11:06 am to OMLandshark
quote:Either way, there is a battle at the end that they completely disregarded.
Nope, I don't think that was part of their plan. Their only goal was to kill Dumbledore.
Bill Weasley, Lupin, Tonks, McGonagall were patrolling the halls. Did they just ignore everything?
Posted on 8/26/12 at 11:07 am to OMLandshark
Probably not. It's been seven years since I read the book. I was kinda disappointed by it. The ending was the only thing that redeemed it in my eyes.
Posted on 8/26/12 at 11:08 am to OMLandshark
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Yeah they did, but that wasn't the mission for it. They were going to wait until they overthrew the Ministry. Seriously, how were they supposed to hold down Hogwarts with 5 people? There are 40 adults on the premise, and a thousand undertrained wizards. PLus I doubt they'd bring Greyback along when they have a long term occupation in mind, since he's not only likely to sabotage the mission on the full moon, but also mutilate dozens of kids. The Death Eaters even Death Eaters love their own kids and wouldn't want their kids locked up with him. You're not remembering that correctly.
im with you on this, they were not there to try to take the school that night. They were there to kill Dumbledore only.
Posted on 8/26/12 at 11:09 am to The Godfather
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but was he only that protective of it because he didnt want HP to find out? Once he thinks Potter is dead then in his mind he is untouchable
But still, he's now going to have to go through unbelievable methods of protecting his Horcruxes now since every single wizard in the world is going to be looking for them. Why not spare himself that hassle and murder Ron and Hermione there?
Posted on 8/26/12 at 11:13 am to RollTide1987
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If you knew the themes of the books then you would accept that Harry Potter being or not being all-powerful really isn't that important in the grand scheme of things.
Exactly. The Hero's Journey in sci-fi and fantasy basically never relies on the protagonist as having superior skills than the antagonist. They usually have some key blind spot or loophole that the protagonist can exploit to defeat him. I can't really think of many exceptions to this rule.
Posted on 8/26/12 at 11:14 am to OMLandshark
The only reason Harry Potter even found out where the horcruxes were is because he had been given a unique glimpse into Voldemort's past. Other than Dumbledore, Harry Potter knows more about Voldemort's life story than anyone else. The events of his life and the influences that made him who he was determined what his horcruxes would be. With Dumbledore and Harry both being dead, even with the knowledge of Voldemort's horcruxes being out there, it would be virtually impossible to figure out where the remaining horcruxes were. And the prophecy quite clearly states that Harry Potter is the only one who can kill Voldemort. Why should Voldemort fear anyone else when he has already "killed" his main rival?
That's why Voldemort walked up to the castle with such arrogance.
That's why Voldemort walked up to the castle with such arrogance.
Posted on 8/26/12 at 11:17 am to RollTide1987
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The only reason Harry Potter even found out where the horcruxes were is because he had been given a unique glimpse into Voldemort's past. Other than Dumbledore, Harry Potter knows more about Voldemort's life story than anyone else. The events of his life and the influences that made him who he was determined what his horcruxes would be. With Dumbledore and Harry both being dead, even with the knowledge of Voldemort's horcruxes being out there, it would be virtually impossible to figure out where the remaining horcruxes were. And the prophecy quite clearly states that Harry Potter is the only one who can kill Voldemort. Why should Voldemort fear anyone else when he has already "killed" his main rival?
Because it would be at very best case scenario make sure that he now has the constant pain in the arse of people hunting down his Horcruxes. Plus, while Voldemort didn't know this, he would have more or less fulfilled the prophesy without personally killing Voldemort or not. It just says that Harry will have the power the Dark Lord knows not and use it to vanquish him. If he were killed by Voldemort, then Voldemort would have been killed within the hour regardless. Harry unleashed his power in his death and pretty much gave Voldemort an army of Harry Potters to fight against. He was screwed regardless of Harry living or not.
This post was edited on 8/26/12 at 11:19 am
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