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re: Question about Rey in Star Wars... *spoilers*
Posted on 12/22/15 at 11:01 am to Bumble Bee
Posted on 12/22/15 at 11:01 am to Bumble Bee
You only think that because you think she could be a skywalker. The fact is that someone that decimated all the other jedi recruits couldn't be broughtobs a stalemate by someone that is a noob.
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 11:02 am to Ralph Nader
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I just don't get how sometimes he seems like an unstoppable and omnipotent being and other times he seems pretty pedestrian.
Wasn't that the point? He's not a finished product, I actually loved this part of Kylo. We'll get to see him grow throughout this trilogy.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 11:09 am to Ralph Nader
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Plus, why couldn't Kylo Ren have used the force to freeze Fin like he did to Rey earlier in the movie, and then just kill him easily? Why did he even have to fight?
I believe it is because he was using the force just to stay alive, or at least using it to keep moving.
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Why did he get shot by Chewbacca? At the very beginning of the movie he completely froze the blaster bolt or whatever it's called in mid-air. Why didn't he do that when Chewbacca shot at him?
Because he was distracted by the fact that he had just killed his father?
Posted on 12/22/15 at 11:12 am to Bamatab
I really don't think people are taking into account how much emotional turmoil Kylo Ren was probably in at that time, and as we all saw in Empire Strikes Back, unless you are very focused, you end up being lost amongst the power of the Force and not in control of it.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 11:15 am to Draconian Sanctions
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think we're all expecting to learn that she was part of Luke's academy before Klyo started killing everyone
Naw. Kylo would've recognized her.
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She also talks about how she doesn't know how she knows how to fly so well.
I think it's much more likely that her skill at flying and proficiency with machines is due to the same skills shared by her father and grandfather, Luke and Anakin.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 11:21 am to J Murdah
quote:I also wonder if Kylo going inside her head helped her with certain things. She was able to read his thoughts and feelings about Vader. Is it completely out of the realm of possibility that she picked up a couple of basic Jedi/Force hints as well - like how to use the mind control or how to call the saber to her?
When Kylo was interrogating her she began resisting and realized she had that power and very quickly began learning how to use it. She had forgotten about the force when they began dueling and Kylo hurt himself by reminding her of the force.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 11:23 am to PJinAtl
Or everyone is ignoring the fact that Kylo could just be a shitty force user. Perhaps his hate is driven by his lack of skill, and he's being used to these ends. This could drive him to do even more heinous feats to attempt to harness the dark power he's craving beyond killing his father. A desperate weak person is sometimes more scary than a strong confident person.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 11:27 am to Ralph Nader
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Not 30 minutes before in the movie Kylo Ren uses the force to completely freeze her and control her and carry her on his ship. She couldn't even move. And then just 30 minutes later she's more powerful than him?
Everyone keeps thinking this was Rey's first go around using the force. Who says that's true?
The most likely thing is Luke sent her to the desert planet with her memory not quit intact to protect her from the "Knights of Ren" after the great Jedi massacre.
After his lightsaber "called to her" (the trigger) it's why she started remembering how to use the force.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 11:28 am to Ralph Nader
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Plus, why couldn't Kylo Ren have used the force to freeze Fin like he did to Rey earlier in the movie, and then just kill him easily? Why did he even have to fight?
Because he wanted the joy of butchering and toying with him. He could have done that, sure, but Finn didn't stand a chance against him.
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Why did he get shot by Chewbacca? At the very beginning of the movie he completely froze the blaster bolt or whatever it's called in mid-air. Why didn't he do that when Chewbacca shot at him?
Well, I think most people would be a bit distraught and distracted when they've just finished murdering their own father.
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I just don't get how sometimes he seems like an unstoppable and omnipotent being and other times he seems pretty pedestrian.
That's the character though. He's highly flawed in his abilities with the Force. He's the anti-Darth Maul, and that's a good thing.
This post was edited on 12/22/15 at 11:31 am
Posted on 12/22/15 at 11:29 am to SoGaFan
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I really don't think people are taking into account how much emotional turmoil Kylo Ren was probably in at that time, and as we all saw in Empire Strikes Back, unless you are very focused, you end up being lost amongst the power of the Force and not in control of it.
No doubt. The guy was both an emotional and physical wreck by the time that Rey finally relaxed and let the force guide her actions. When Ren caught up with Rey and Finn, he was sweating profusely. I don't think that was solely due to the physical pain of being blasted by the bowcaster, but probably also was due in some part to the fact that he just killed his father. The movie did a great job of showing that Kylo was an emotionally immature, but once you factor in to the events that lead up to his confrontation with Rey, he was at that point an emotional wreck (and physical wreck as well).
This post was edited on 12/22/15 at 11:31 am
Posted on 12/22/15 at 11:48 am to Ralph Nader
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Also... another thing I'd like to add about the lightsaber...
during the fight scene at the end, one of them swung the lightsaber and missed and hit a tree. It cut the tree right in half.
So howcome when they actually get hit with the lightsaber, it seems to just hurt them instead of completely killing them?
What? There has been a number of examples where lightsabers cut people and limbs in half. Looked like just the tip cut Finn and Kylo.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 11:52 am to Mystery
Is there any footage of the Rey/Kylo fight out there on the web? I tried search for it some, but couldn't find any. I'd love to take another look at the fight up close.
If anyone has a link to it, please post it.
If anyone has a link to it, please post it.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 11:53 am to Bamatab
Gone it at the theatre again. So epic on the big screen.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 2:26 pm to Bumble Bee
quote:um you dont rememeber Fin fighting a Storm Trooper that had an energized bat or whatever. Maybe he trained on one of those.
Finn, yes. He was a storm trooper with no hand to hand combat training. (I've never notices a storm trooper fighting with anything other than a blaster.)
Posted on 12/22/15 at 3:42 pm to Ralph Nader
Great thread for actual substantive discussion of the movie and the characters. Heck, you might even want to broaden the subject matter to something like "Questions about Rey, Kylo, etc. in Star Wars" *spoilers*". Your call though.
I thought the same thing about Rey. She was definitely channeling some anger and Yoda's whole "fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to the dark side" thing definitely came to mind. Although to be honest I'm not sure exactly how astute Yoda was when picking out causes for going over to the dark side. He thought Anakin shouldn't be trained because he was too old. Yet Luke was much older and he was able to resist the temptation. I think Anakin was just susceptible because of his personality. He was just an a-hole at heart.
Regarding Kylo - one thing that struck me that I don't think I've seen mentioned at all was his vow not to be "tempted by the light side" or something like that. He seemed to feel that the dark side was actually the "good" side. I'd like to see them explore this a little more.
I thought the same thing about Rey. She was definitely channeling some anger and Yoda's whole "fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to the dark side" thing definitely came to mind. Although to be honest I'm not sure exactly how astute Yoda was when picking out causes for going over to the dark side. He thought Anakin shouldn't be trained because he was too old. Yet Luke was much older and he was able to resist the temptation. I think Anakin was just susceptible because of his personality. He was just an a-hole at heart.
Regarding Kylo - one thing that struck me that I don't think I've seen mentioned at all was his vow not to be "tempted by the light side" or something like that. He seemed to feel that the dark side was actually the "good" side. I'd like to see them explore this a little more.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 3:54 pm to CarRamrod
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Finn, yes. He was a storm trooper with no hand to hand combat training. (I've never notices a storm trooper fighting with anything other than a blaster.)
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um you dont rememeber Fin fighting a Storm Trooper that had an energized bat or whatever. Maybe he trained on one of those.
I don't want to bring too much of the comics and novels into this but yes, you are correct. Finn has had a lot of training with melee weapons, as has all of the First Order troopers. Also Finn is not some average trooper, he was always at the top of his peers, in training. Top 1%. He was one of the best.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 3:56 pm to Methuselah
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Regarding Kylo - one thing that struck me that I don't think I've seen mentioned at all was his vow not to be "tempted by the light side" or something like that. He seemed to feel that the dark side was actually the "good" side. I'd like to see them explore this a little more.
Yea. In the end Anakin thought the Jedi were evil too. His exact words. The Dark side clowds thoughts.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 3:57 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I think we're all expecting to learn that she was part of Luke's academy before Klyo started killing everyone. Her memory was then subsequently wiped and she was ditched on Jakku. She also talks about how she doesn't know how she knows how to fly so well. What you saw was things coming back to her after she touched Anakin's 2nd lightsaber, which triggered the flashback.
I don't think Luke steal babies from the crib like the Jedi Temples of old anymore.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 4:07 pm to LSUSUPERSTAR
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You only think that because you think she could be a skywalker. The fact is that someone that decimated all the other jedi recruits couldn't be broughtobs a stalemate by someone that is a noob.
I don' remember the specifics from the movie - did they say he personally killed all the other recruits? Maybe he just left the door unlocked for Snoke or something like that. (ok, maybe not that simple, but some sort of betrayal that didn't take ultra force use.)
Posted on 12/22/15 at 4:11 pm to Methuselah
from the other Rey thread
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Unless she was mind wiped as young child (by Luke) and stashed away after the Knights of Ren turned on Skywalker.
Since "without training" she can do the Jedi Mind trick, tap into a Force using Ren's head/block him out and pull a lightsaber to her while Ren was trying to do the same. Probably had lightsaber training too.
Strong possibility she already has some training
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I'm thinking she's related to Old Ben Kenobi.
or Snoke-if he is/was Palpatine's master. He can bring people into life/escape death. Wouldn't mean she'd have to be evil-choice is always a big theme (Finn,Ren,Vader,Luke and Han to an extent).
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