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re: Plot Holes
Posted on 2/17/10 at 4:03 pm to indianswim
Posted on 2/17/10 at 4:03 pm to indianswim
I'm rereading Crichton's "Timeline" and the time travel taking place makes sense. Basically, Crichton admits that you cannot move up and down your own timeline because time doesn't move. However, because of the "multiverse" theory (constant realities are being created) you can jump sideways onto another reality that closely resembles your timeline.
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Posted on 2/17/10 at 4:10 pm to TigerMyth36
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3.The fact that the Romulans were captured by the Klingons and kept in prison for 17 years. In those 17 years, the klingons did not move the Romulan ship into Klingon, nor did they fix the ship and make it their #1 ship, nor did they take it apart to reverse engineer the technology. No, they left in near the prison which held the Romulans so 17 years later they would be able to escape on it. By the way, most of this was cut from the movie but implied. In the movie it simply appeared as if the Romulans sat in the same spot waiting for Spock for 17+ years.
There were several other ones, I think I made a list of about 20 after the movie came out.
Still enjoyed the film, but that had more to do with just being happy trek was back on the big screen than a superbly scripted film.
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This post was edited on 2/17/10 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 2/17/10 at 4:21 pm to CaptainBrannigan
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Plot hole from Independence day. Would a nuclear bomb explode is space? I believe it needs oxygen to work.
It would explode, but be much different than it is on Earth. It would basically just disperse radiation, and since nothing can slow it down in space, it has a much larger explosion radius. It wouldn't be like it was in Independence Day.
Posted on 2/17/10 at 4:24 pm to RAGINTIGER
quote:I'm not a Trekkie or a science nerd by any means, but these plot holes screamed at me in the theater.
1. Vulcan being devoid of any planetary defense whatsoever. Not even a shuttle craft to toss at the silly drill.
2.The silly drill. Twice they use the drill to drop the red matter into the core of the planet, then later in the movie, we find they don't need to do this to cause the planet or space to implode.
Posted on 2/17/10 at 4:25 pm to Dab
I always undrstood the Vulcans to be ultra non-violent. But whatever....
Posted on 2/17/10 at 4:26 pm to cjared036
There's a big ship blasting away starships and drilling holes into our planet. Lets go pray in the cave. 
Posted on 2/17/10 at 4:28 pm to cjared036
Another one with Shawshank Redemption, although not really a plot hole, but more of a slight mistake.
The morning after the escape, the warden is looking in Andy's cell. The poster is taped at all 4 corners. How can a guy reach thru a hole smaller than the poster and tape down all 4 corners. Cannot happen. Again, not detrimental to the plot.
The morning after the escape, the warden is looking in Andy's cell. The poster is taped at all 4 corners. How can a guy reach thru a hole smaller than the poster and tape down all 4 corners. Cannot happen. Again, not detrimental to the plot.
Posted on 2/17/10 at 4:30 pm to alajones
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1. Vulcan being devoid of any planetary defense whatsoever. Not even a shuttle craft to toss at the silly drill.
Posted on 2/17/10 at 4:31 pm to indianswim
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Plot Holes
Another one with Shawshank Redemption, although not really a plot hole, but more of a slight mistake.
The morning after the escape, the warden is looking in Andy's cell. The poster is taped at all 4 corners. How can a guy reach thru a hole smaller than the poster and tape down all 4 corners. Cannot happen. Again, not detrimental to the plot.
did you even read the thread?
Posted on 2/17/10 at 4:37 pm to The Rodfather
Yep, but overlooked that post apparently.
Posted on 2/17/10 at 4:41 pm to cjared036
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I always undrstood the Vulcans to be ultra non-violent. But whatever....
Vulcans are supposed to be smart. There is a ship destroying your planet. They should have prepared for this.
Posted on 2/17/10 at 4:45 pm to OMLandshark
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It would explode, but be much different than it is on Earth
Earth or space the nuclear bomb does not need oxygen. It's basically a atomic fission chain reaction where there is no oxidation.
Posted on 2/17/10 at 4:54 pm to noonan
I thought it showed him walking into the bank and his pants looked a little short. I could be making this up, but I've thought about that question before.
Posted on 2/17/10 at 4:57 pm to CaptainsWafer
i have not seen it in a while. i only remembered the scene where he was still in prison and had the suit under his prison clothes and they showed his shoes.
they definitely may have shown the pants in the bank. i just don't remember it.
they definitely may have shown the pants in the bank. i just don't remember it.
Posted on 2/17/10 at 5:05 pm to CaptainsWafer
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I thought it showed him walking into the bank and his pants looked a little short. I could be making this up, but I've thought about that question before.
They definitely showed the pants in the bank. It's when Morgan Freeman is narrating that a man nobody had ever heard of walked into so and so number of banks that morning. His pants look short, but nothing ridiculous like it would have been when comparing his and the warden's heights.
Posted on 2/17/10 at 5:56 pm to Dab
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button: It bothered me that Brad Pitt's character was born as a baby-sized old man but he ended as a baby-sized baby. Shouldn't he have been an old man-sized baby (granted that would have been really creepy).
Posted on 2/17/10 at 7:43 pm to TigerMyth36
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2.The silly drill. Twice they use the drill to drop the red matter into the core of the planet, then later in the movie, we find they don't need to do this to cause the planet or space to implode.
Don't remember where I heard this, but the logic was heat and pressure in the core aids the reaction. Compare the little bitty amount they threw into core and how long it took to take the planet and compare it to the freaking 500 gallon ball of it having an average BH. Remember they had lots of targets, who just blowing their wad in 3-4 planets wouldn't have done anything.
Not that this doesn't open plot holes of its own, but it is better.
Also, Vulcans are mostly peaceful, relying on Starfleet for their defense. This could be the explaination for that.
The main thing that makes me cringe every time I watch the damn movie is talk about a supernova destroying the galaxy.
Posted on 2/17/10 at 7:48 pm to indianswim
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Not to get all scientific about it, but time travel is possible. You cannot go backwards in time, but can go forward.
Correct. We are all going forward now I believe.
Posted on 2/17/10 at 7:50 pm to 4nmylifetime
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I always got the impression that Luke was meant to be a teenager in IV
17 years old.
Posted on 2/18/10 at 3:48 am to theunknownknight
"Also, Vulcans are mostly peaceful, relying on Starfleet for their defense. This could be the explaination for that."
People keep saying this but Vulcans were not pacifists. If attacked they were more than happy to fight back. They had wars with other alien races. I seem to recall they had a warlike relationship with the Andorians.
They had a fleet of ships. It was mentioned that the Vulcan fleet was off somewhere. This mention makes it even more absurd because you would never send 100% of your fleet anywhere.
And once again, all they needed to do was ram the damn thing to blow it up. They could have rammed it with shuttle crafts or even transported explosives into the drill.
There simply is no valid reason that the drill could not be destroyed by the Vulcans.
The scene was simply set up because it looked badass and set up the kool orbital jump, not because it made any sense whatsoever.
People keep saying this but Vulcans were not pacifists. If attacked they were more than happy to fight back. They had wars with other alien races. I seem to recall they had a warlike relationship with the Andorians.
They had a fleet of ships. It was mentioned that the Vulcan fleet was off somewhere. This mention makes it even more absurd because you would never send 100% of your fleet anywhere.
And once again, all they needed to do was ram the damn thing to blow it up. They could have rammed it with shuttle crafts or even transported explosives into the drill.
There simply is no valid reason that the drill could not be destroyed by the Vulcans.
The scene was simply set up because it looked badass and set up the kool orbital jump, not because it made any sense whatsoever.
This post was edited on 2/18/10 at 3:49 am
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