re: Picard Season 2 Discussion. Spoilers Now Included

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Star Trek has always been a left leaning show, but there's a difference between light sprinkling here and there and beating you over the head with a hammer.

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I'm with GetCocky11 on this. This is the type of stuff Star Trek has always dealt with. We are getting beat over the head with all types of issues from all sides.

Star Trek has always addressed the issues of the day and this isn't a big deal.

Now when ST Discovery's most recent season finale had Stacy Abrahams as President of the Federation is when they jumped the shark.

Have you watched all of the Star Trek series starting with the Original Series?

I'm with GetCocky11 on this. This is the type of stuff Star Trek has always dealt with. We are getting beat over the head with all types of issues from all sides.

Star Trek has always addressed the issues of the day and this isn't a big deal

I think it is a *big deal*. There's hardly time for what little, poorly written story there is with all the tag stories to check off all the different social agendas being overbearingly applied. Tiresome, unnecessary tokenism. It hurts me to say it but the show sucks. I'm done before Seven has to kiss yet another actress who can't act.

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This is the type of stuff Star Trek has always dealt with.

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This show is awful regardless of politics, though. it's just not Star trek. It's some edgy action movie formula crap made by people who don't even like star trek.

Gary Seven reference in this episode. Nicely done

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Have you watched this season?

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no just the reviews, from people who like star trek for the same reason i do. if you like action formula shite, great, but it's not what made star trek famous and I can get that literally anywhere, and from people who know how to construct a story.

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So what you're saying is you have no idea. Have you ever read a review that you totally disagreed with?

As I predicted...you just want to fuss.

You ignore the part where it's people whose opinions i trust. Anyway, season 1 is a REALLY low bar, so being better than that does not make it good. Again, if you like this kind of thing, great, but it's not star trek.

I’m on episode 4, and holy shite this is bad. As if the comically evil, all white ICE agents weren’t bad enough, Guinan just told Picard “you know who has the luxury of patience in a place like this? Someone who looks like you, and not me.”

I know Star Trek likes to weave social commentary into its stories, but this comes at you like a shot of Tabasco to the eye.

Other notable quotes so far:

“ We need to find out how ICE is disappearing people, so we’ll follow the suffering like a trail of breadcrumbs.”

“This century took off a hood and put on a suit.”

“I hope you find your friend before ICE makes it to where you’ll never see him a again.”

It’s all so hamfisted. But I imagine the writers all patting each other on the back knowing they took a shot at Trump’s Amerikkka.

And now that I’m thinking about it why didn’t Guinan recognize Picard? Wouldn’t she know him from when they met in 19th century San Francisco when those aliens were stealing souls from hobos?

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And now that I’m thinking about it why didn’t Guinan recognize Picard? Wouldn’t she know him from when they met in 19th century San Francisco when those aliens were stealing souls from hobos?

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One of the writers explained this. Since Picard and crew were coming from the altered timeline, the events of “Time’s Arrow” never occurred in that timeline (and Picard never met Guinan in 19th century San Francisco). However, apparently in the altered timeline Kirk and Spock still went back in time to 20th century San Francisco since the guy with the boombox clearly seemed to remember getting the Vulcan nerve pinch from Spock.

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Poverty, racism, interpersonal conflict aren't supposed to exist in the 24th century.

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You've never watched any of the other Star Trek series? First, your utopian world is only Earth in the 24th century. The rest of the planets in the Galaxy still have issues. DS9 had the Federation helping an extremely impoverished Bajoran planet that had just went though 80 years of a Cardassian occupation. On that same series, we saw Admirals conspiring to stage a coup using the Dominion threat to take over Earth.

A lot of what is going on in this season of Picard happened a lot on DS9...

DS9 took a pragmatic look at the Federation rather than the rosy-eyed idealistic world people see to think the Federation was. Be careful, Section 31 may be watching...