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re: Official X-Men: First Class thread

Posted on 6/3/11 at 10:48 pm to
Posted by Walt OReilly
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Posted on 6/3/11 at 10:48 pm to
quote:


Jennifer Lawrence was great as Mystique. She was hotter than January Jones
I respectfully disagree sir
Posted by ipodking
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Posted on 6/3/11 at 11:20 pm to
Yea I don't think a lot of people are gonna agree with me on that
Posted by josh336
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Posted on 6/3/11 at 11:47 pm to
Decent flick, good start and action; didn't like the ending




SPOILERS!!!





I probably won't see the next couple
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 6/4/11 at 12:34 am to
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Yea I don't think a lot of people are gonna agree with me on that



A few weeks ago I said we've never really agreed on anything in here.... I have to agree that Jennifer Lawrence is hotter than January Jones.... ironic given the name.
Posted by TotallyTigers
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Posted on 6/4/11 at 12:41 am to
tons of overreacting and hyperbole in this thread, but it was a very good movie. 8/10

vaughn is a great director, the fact that he pulled this thing off in a little over 12 months from scratch is pretty amazing.

mcavoy and fassbender - great casting and performances, can't wait to watch them in the sequels.

i was also surprised by kevin bacon. i didnt know anything about his character before hand but he was a great villian.

azazel and emma frost were also very well done. angel was terrible, and riptide was cool, but did he say one line the entire movie? i don't think so (i'm betting most people will read this and say "who's riptide?").

all in all very pleased with the way it turned out. as some others have said it definitely seemed rushed (mostly in the editing department), but that's on fox for putting vaughn and co. in a shite position by rushing this thing for an early june release.

Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 6/4/11 at 12:43 am to
Also does this film kinda change the way they think of X1 and X2? Personally I always thought of Magneto as the villain and the X-Men were doing the right thing. But in this film, Magneto was right about literally everything. He said they'd betray them as soon as they took out Shaw, and they did literally less than 5 minutes after they take care of him. So in order to repay them, the governments try to kill them all for stopping WWIII. It would be the equivalent if Muslims took out some extremists who were about to destroy Manhattan with an A-Bomb, and all governments decide the best course of action is murdering every Muslim so it never happens again.

Magneto no longer has to use logic to prove his point: It fricking happened. He just knows for a fact its just a matter of time before they strike again, like for instance if a Mutant tried to murder the president, they would use it as an excuse to kill them all (not that that would happen in a future film). So if I was on that beach as a mutant and saw that shite go down, I'd join him as well. Magneto really was the Mutant's true hero. I mean I guess you can appreciate Professor X for the Mutant School and whatnot (think Magneto agrees with that), but he really has no argument for what he is saying is true since humanity has constantly proven Magneto as correct. Therefore this film has changed my opinion that Magneto is the true hero of the franchise.

Sidenote: Why was Charles so against Magneto killing Shaw? It seems like you wouldn't have much of an option. There's no possible way you could build a prison to contain him (I'm not exactly sure how they contained Emma Frost), unless it was at the very bottom of the ocean or in space. That really should have been the plan from the start is for Charles to stop his mind and then for Magneto to murder him.
This post was edited on 6/4/11 at 1:22 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/4/11 at 1:24 am to
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So if I was on that beach as a mutant and saw that shite go down, I'd join him as well. Magneto really was the Mutant's true hero.

no. he's not.

in the world of morality and ethics, magneto takes the easy way out and believes might makes right

if the humans are evil for trying to exterminate mutants, then mutants are evil for trying to exterminate humans

to borrow spider-man's theme, with great power come great responsibility
Posted by TulaneTigerFan
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Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 6/4/11 at 1:29 am to
Why would Charles Xavier, who is supposed to be incredibly intelligent and has been inside of Magneto's mind, tell him that the two armies were just following orders when they fired on the beach? Isn't that the typical nazi excuse? It seems like that would be the absolute worst thing to say

And what was the deal with the weather manipulating bad guy looking like some kind of cheesy Rico Suave? I wanted to laugh every time he did a little gesture and made a tornado in his hands
This post was edited on 6/4/11 at 1:31 am
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 6/4/11 at 1:32 am to
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in the world of morality and ethics, magneto takes the easy way out and believes might makes right

if the humans are evil for trying to exterminate mutants, then mutants are evil for trying to exterminate humans


Dog eat dog my friend. Its a never ending war. If Magneto complied and kept his head on straight, it would still just be a matter of time before another attempted genocide by humanity, and low and behold he was right 2 more times, in X2 and X3 (although at least X3 didn't involve murder). Just one mutant does a horrible act, and its genocide all over again. In the mutants mind like Magneto, the only rational thing to do is to continue to fight.
This post was edited on 6/4/11 at 1:34 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/4/11 at 1:46 am to
yeah all of the mutants outside of the main 3 had issues

and charles definitely goofed. a master of telepathy perhaps, but a master of psychology he is not
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/4/11 at 1:47 am to
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If Magneto complied and kept his head on straight, it would still just be a matter of time before another attempted genocide by humanity,

that just shows the folly of man, and what mutants should not subscribe to being
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 6/4/11 at 1:49 am to
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that just shows the folly of man, and what mutants should not subscribe to being



If you do not subscribe to this thought process, you leave yourself open to enslavement and genocide. If they'll murder the Mutants for saving everyone's lives, they'll murder the mutants for literally any reason.
This post was edited on 6/4/11 at 1:53 am
Posted by ipodking
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Posted on 6/4/11 at 2:33 am to
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A few weeks ago I said we've never really agreed on anything in here.... I have to agree that Jennifer Lawrence is hotter than January Jones


Hell yea!
Posted by jmarto1
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Posted on 6/4/11 at 6:51 am to
I heard there wasn't a clip after the credits. True?
Posted by Lacour
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Posted on 6/4/11 at 6:55 am to
Haven't read the thread, but just wanted to post that I thought it was the best superhero movie I've ever seen. Better than TDK.

Fassbender is so awesome. And the bar scene reminded me of him in Inglorious Basterds
Posted by Sophandros
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 6/4/11 at 7:53 am to
I kind of saw the Charles/Erik dynamic as a sort of MLK/Malcolm X dynamic.
Posted by Pilot Tiger
North Carolina
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Posted on 6/4/11 at 9:41 am to
Very entertaining. I think it's the best of the X-Men movies
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 6/4/11 at 9:45 am to
Going to the 11am showing (early bird ticket prices woot!) at Perkins
Posted by ipodking
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Posted on 6/4/11 at 10:05 am to
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I heard there wasn't a clip after the credits. True?


True, there is no clip after the credits. Me and about 15 other people in the theater stayed to see if there was one after the credits.
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 6/4/11 at 10:37 am to

quote:

I kind of saw the Charles/Erik dynamic as a sort of MLK/Malcolm X dynamic.
That's always been the overt intention of the book. X-Men has always been more morally gey than most superhero books. Magneto is not evil and never has been -- he's morally justified in his extremism, trying to prevent a second Holocaust. Prof X believes in peaceful co-existence, and changing human prejudice.

The movie deviated from the books, as this was the ifrst film that really tried to carve its own identity. Every other film has been at least based on a Claremont storyline (God Loves Man Kills, Nightmares of Futures Past, and Dark Phoenix). They didn't hue to the book, but they were based on it -- this is a completely new story. It really freed the filmmakers.

On the flipside, I think they are building up to the Trial of Magneto.

I really enjoyed it, though as an old school comic nerd, I was irritated by Moira MacTaggard not being Scottish. And whats the deal with Emma Frost turning into diamonds?

LOVED the use of Shaw and the Hellfire Club.
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