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re: Official X-Men: First Class thread
Posted on 6/5/11 at 1:23 am to ladytiger118
Posted on 6/5/11 at 1:23 am to ladytiger118
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unlike Green Lantern which looks like crap
Here's the thing about the Green Lantern. It's going to be one of two things and nothing in between: it will be really, really good or it will be a complete failure that will make you want to gouge your eyes out... and sadly I think I'm leaning to the later.
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Posted on 6/5/11 at 9:39 am to Starchild
quote:Yeah, from what I hear, they are saying the original films took place in the 90s to make the timeline work. I really don't care if it matches up perfectly, though they are going to have some explaining to do why Mystique doesn't recognize her son, Nightcrawler, in the later films.
The filmmakers said they tried to stick as true to the other films as they could, but had to make a few creative changes to really make the story work.
They had introduced MacTaggart in the films as a Scottish doctor, and now she's an American CIA operative. Oh well. No big deal.
This is a comic book dork moment...
I had never heard of Azazel, and I see on Wiki he was added in recent years as Nightcrawler's father. This sucks compared to the famous disallowed Claremont story: Mystique is the father, and Nightcrawler was conceived between Destiny and Mystique, taking the form of a man. That's just awesome. But Azazel was a pretty cool character so I'm okay with it.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 10:49 am to Baloo
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I really don't care if it matches up perfectly, though they are going to have some explaining to do why Mystique doesn't recognize her son, Nightcrawler, in the later films.
Mystique isn't necessarily the mother of Nightcrawler in the continuity.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 10:52 am to OMLandshark
I have faith in Martin Campbell, the director of Green Lantern. He has made some very solid films: Goldeneye, The Mask of Zorro, and Casino Royale.
With him at the helm I think I can safely say that, at the very least, it won't be a pile of dog crap.
With him at the helm I think I can safely say that, at the very least, it won't be a pile of dog crap.
This post was edited on 6/5/11 at 10:53 am
Posted on 6/5/11 at 10:59 am to OMLandshark
Saw it last night and really liked it. Im happy to see Xmen get a very good reboot and hopefully will kick off a run of solid films. Wolverines cameo was just awesome, the whole theatre started cheering.
My only criticism is aside from Shaw I found the other hellfire club members boring and terribly acted.
My only criticism is aside from Shaw I found the other hellfire club members boring and terribly acted.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 11:03 am to RollTide1987
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With him at the helm I think I can safely say that, at the very least, it won't be a pile of dog crap.
Completely agree. Every time I think it may be crap, I remember that Campbell is directing it and not some hack director. I think it turns out to be a solid film
Posted on 6/5/11 at 11:05 am to RLDSC FAN
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My only criticism is aside from Shaw I found the other hellfire club members boring and terribly acted.
I agree, I feel like Jason Flemyng was kind of wasted. Azazel was a cool character, but anyone could have done what they asked him to do.
I've already covered January Jones in this thread, but I don't think it can be said enough just how much of a count she seems to be.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 11:07 am to RollTide1987
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I have faith in Martin Campbell, the director of Green Lantern. He has made some very solid films: Goldeneye, The Mask of Zorro, and Casino Royale.
green lantern will have entirely too much cgi
Posted on 6/5/11 at 11:09 am to OMLandshark
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Perhaps its just adapting to external environments and not internal?
that makes no sense
Posted on 6/5/11 at 11:14 am to ProjectP2294
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eta: Also, I find it kinda funny that even in this movie where they talk about acceptance and not being prejudiced and all that stuff, they still killed the black guy first.
the whole darwin/black guy angle for those 20 minutes was funny
they added a black guy just b/c in a movie paralleling racism, you have to have a black guy at SOME point, right?
then there was teh slavery line, lol
THEN, they kill him off first
the funnier mental slip-type instance was having the "omg i hate the way i look" girl be chubby
what makes it even funnier is she has total control over her looks, yet chooses to look chubby, all the while she's bitching about her appearance.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 11:30 am to ProjectP2294
Since we are doing spoilers here...
*****SPOILERS*****
I wasn't really convinced with Mystique's reasoning for going (and sleeping) with Magneto, especially in light of her obvious feelings for Beast. That story seemed to be going in too many directions. My hope is that they move this along well in sequels.
Why would Banshee, Beast and Havok wait until Mags & Co had ported out before going to check on Charles. The scene where the rush to him after the bad guys leave would have been much less awkward if they had all been huddled around Charles at the beginning (especially if Mystique left them as they huddled around Charles).
Moira and Banshee not Scottish? Boooooooooo!!!! I can understand Moira due to the storyline, but Sean? Really!?!
I loved the continual use of Charles and Erik playing chess while exposing their philosophies.
WTF was that big dish in Charles' yard? That fricker was HUGE! He had best not have a neighbor for a dozen miles, otherwise that's going to attract attention.
Aside from turning to crystal and telepathy, January Jones' character also had the power of shitty acting.
The Mystique/Charles introduction comes across as forced when looked back on it.
If Magneto wanted to stop the damned sub, why didn't he just crush the propellers instead of trying to hold the sub? #dumbassery
Banshee? Sonar? Hunh? He can hear, he's not a fricking bat. That seemed a bit "pulled out of my arse".
I like Azazel, he will make a nice father character to play into Nightcrawler.
Wolverine: "frick off" FTW!
No Stan Lee appearance?
Angel's spitting thing during her fight with Banshee looked very B-movie.
This may seem overly critical for a movie I really liked, but these things are all pretty minor especially considering how reeeeeeally good the overall story is.
*****SPOILERS*****
I wasn't really convinced with Mystique's reasoning for going (and sleeping) with Magneto, especially in light of her obvious feelings for Beast. That story seemed to be going in too many directions. My hope is that they move this along well in sequels.
Why would Banshee, Beast and Havok wait until Mags & Co had ported out before going to check on Charles. The scene where the rush to him after the bad guys leave would have been much less awkward if they had all been huddled around Charles at the beginning (especially if Mystique left them as they huddled around Charles).
Moira and Banshee not Scottish? Boooooooooo!!!! I can understand Moira due to the storyline, but Sean? Really!?!
I loved the continual use of Charles and Erik playing chess while exposing their philosophies.
WTF was that big dish in Charles' yard? That fricker was HUGE! He had best not have a neighbor for a dozen miles, otherwise that's going to attract attention.
Aside from turning to crystal and telepathy, January Jones' character also had the power of shitty acting.
The Mystique/Charles introduction comes across as forced when looked back on it.
If Magneto wanted to stop the damned sub, why didn't he just crush the propellers instead of trying to hold the sub? #dumbassery
Banshee? Sonar? Hunh? He can hear, he's not a fricking bat. That seemed a bit "pulled out of my arse".
I like Azazel, he will make a nice father character to play into Nightcrawler.
Wolverine: "frick off" FTW!
No Stan Lee appearance?
Angel's spitting thing during her fight with Banshee looked very B-movie.
This may seem overly critical for a movie I really liked, but these things are all pretty minor especially considering how reeeeeeally good the overall story is.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 11:34 am to Bard
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I wasn't really convinced with Mystique's reasoning for going (and sleeping) with Magneto, especially in light of her obvious feelings for Beast. That story seemed to be going in too many directions. My hope is that they move this along well in sequels.
yeah prequels are pretty weak typically in their "good guy turns bad" stories
they could have turned beast into the beast earlier, which would have added fuel for that fire, imho
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Banshee? Sonar? Hunh? He can hear, he's not a fricking bat. That seemed a bit "pulled out of my arse".
i think prof x controlled that
that i will let pass b/c stupid schemes combining powers are part of comics
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I like Azazel, he will make a nice father character to play into Nightcrawler.
his character seemed a little too powerful, imho
hell, the entire hellfire club was too powerful
Posted on 6/5/11 at 11:35 am to SlowFlowPro
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that makes no sense
Well for instance he can only create something which will enable himself to survive outside. In anotherwords its really his skin that makes him indestructable. If for instance he swallowed poison, then he'd likely die.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 11:37 am to RLDSC FAN
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I found the other hellfire club members boring and terribly acted.
January Jones and Jason Flemyng have both done quality work before...you know they can act. They literally had about six lines of total dialogue between the three of them, and you deem that as "acted terribly?" I would say they "didn't have much to do."
Posted on 6/5/11 at 11:39 am to Bard
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I wasn't really convinced with Mystique's reasoning for going (and sleeping) with Magneto
I thought they played that pretty well. It was all the little shite that Charles and Erik would do that was building up with her. And she's apparently young in the movie so making a rash decision like that isn't out of character. Also, bitches be crazy.
I can see why she went. I have much more trouble seeing how she becomes the stone-cold killer she grows up to be.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 11:40 am to SlowFlowPro
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I wasn't really convinced with Mystique's reasoning for going (and sleeping) with Magneto, especially in light of her obvious feelings for Beast. That story seemed to be going in too many directions. My hope is that they move this along well in sequels.
yeah prequels are pretty weak typically in their "good guy turns bad" stories
Sleeping with Magneto may have seemed slightly forced, but I don't think going with him at the end was at all. Magneto was right about everything, so if I were her I would have also gone with him knowing that I would likely be facing genocide if I didn't. Mystique knew that there was no way to change Charles mind, because if he was going to change his mind, it would have happened when humanity decided to wipe them all out after saving the world. It's nothing personal against Charles, she just feels as if she's doing the right thing. Therefore I found her actions believable.
And Mystique is very much frustrated (not angry per say) on how Charles thinks of her natural appearance throughout the film and of how Beast sees her natural appearance. If these 2 are merely only tolerant of her natural appearance, she knew that humanity would never remotely accept her out of all the mutants. Plus I would find it hard to believe if Mystique didn't occasionally go back to the mansion to see Charles occasionally over the next few years.
This post was edited on 6/5/11 at 11:46 am
Posted on 6/5/11 at 11:47 am to OMLandshark
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Magneto was right about everything,
still keeping that up?
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It's nothing personal against Charles, she just feels as if she's doing the right thing.
the way they developed her choice, it was 100% personal. both against charles and beast
it was about their inability to join in her emo rant about being different and feeling alone
Posted on 6/5/11 at 11:51 am to OMLandshark
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I wasn't really convinced with Mystique's reasoning for going (and sleeping) with Magneto
Did she bang him, or just make out with him? Either way, I dont care...she's got self esteem issues, he says she looks beautiful, plenty of girls would decide to hook up with a handsome dude in that situation.
The only thing that bothers me about it, is why the frick did Singer decide to make her (and Nightcrawler) all fricking scaley and naked? Pissed me off in every movie about her. End comic book geek rant.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 11:54 am to SlowFlowPro
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still keeping that up?
How was he wrong in the film? Charles was animate that humanity would side with them if they stopped the war, while Magneto knew that as soon as they stopped Shaw and found out about them that humanity would turn on them and seek their destruction. It literally takes less than 5 minutes after Shaws death for Magneto to be proven 100% correct.
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the way they developed her choice, it was 100% personal. both against charles and beast
it was about their inability to join in her emo rant about being different and feeling alone
That wasn't the sole reason. Yeah it was part of the reason, but she didn't have anything against Beast or Charles at the end of the film. She is probably frustrated that they couldn't see things from her perspective (as is Magneto at Charles), while Magneto could. Plus Magneto was right on the money, in this film at least. You can debate Magneto's reasoning in the rest of the series, but he was completely right on this one.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 11:58 am to OMLandshark
quote:Not neccesarily, but I would be shocked if she's not. Blue teleporter with a tail isn't the son of the blue lady and the teleporter with the tail?
Mystique isn't necessarily the mother of Nightcrawler in the continuity.
I had no problem with sonar, as that was a creative use of their powers through teamwork. The books have always stressed that (think "Fastball Special").
I do think January Jones is a terrible actress, but she's smoking hot. And Emma Frost in the Claremont era was a smoking hot B-level character. So it sort of fit. Hellfire Club's always sort of been Shaw's plaything.
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