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re: OFFICIAL "The Wire" M/TV Board rewatch thread (current discussion starts ~p. 53)
Posted on 4/19/16 at 12:47 pm to LUS Tiger in FL
Posted on 4/19/16 at 12:47 pm to LUS Tiger in FL
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Do you and others as well think Prop Joe/Gangsters would have cut off B&B after String died? I think they would have leaned that way plus Marlo was going to be coming at Avon hard if String didn't rat him out.
I think they would've tried to have Prop Joe parlay with Avon and Marlo and try to work something out. And then if that didn't work, I think they'd have voted him out of the connect.
And to be honest, I'm not even sure if they could've made that parlay work at that point. Especially once Marlo killed Devonne...after that I'm not sure Avon would've ever settled for a parlay and a truce...or if anything, he'd have tried to use the parlay to get at Marlo once and for all.
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I also like when Jimmy was at Strings place and said " Who the frick was I chasing?" Interesting dude he was
I never understood why String's place surprised them so much. Dude clearly has smarts on him, and he was getting away from the game and into legit business. And on top of that, you know he is worth millions. Of course he's gonna have a nice, balled out pad.
Posted on 4/19/16 at 1:03 pm to CocomoLSU
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I never understood why String's place surprised them so much. Dude clearly has smarts on him, and he was getting away from the game and into legit business. And on top of that, you know he is worth millions. Of course he's gonna have a nice, balled out pad.
I don't think a gaudy, "blinged out crib" would have surprised him. What did was that Stringer's place was very simple, elegant, organized, meticulous. It said something about the way his mind operated and Jimmy was thinking he may have misunderstood/underestimated him. Keep in mind that Jimmy didn't get him - Avon/Omar/Mouzone got him. I think Jimmy was processing the thought, "I would never have gotten this guy. I completely misread him."
I never saw that scene that Jimmy was impressed with the place either being nice or exuding luxury. If anything it was understated for a millionaire drug dealer from West Baltimore.
Posted on 4/19/16 at 3:06 pm to CocomoLSU
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I never understood why String's place surprised them so much. Dude clearly has smarts on him, and he was getting away from the game and into legit business. And on top of that, you know he is worth millions. Of course he's gonna have a nice, balled out pad.
I'm pretty sure Jimmy says that (I'm planning to watch Ep 11-12 tonight and comment ) when he pulls a copy of "The Wealth of Nations" by Adam Smith off the book shelf. I took it as he was surprised by that and not the state or status of his "crib". Jimmy thought he was chasing a hardened "gang banger" not a dude that reads Adam Smith
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Jimmy was thinking he may have misunderstood/underestimated him.
This is what i was thinking. Jimmy sees him as drug dealing thug, responsible for multiple murders, not a guy that is trying to become a businessman and improve himself. He doesn't know about the New Day Co-op, trying to sell the product and later for that gangsta BS etc. He sees him as the same as well Avon and Marlo, who really don't care about that stuff and are just in the game for the "glory" of being the man.
This post was edited on 4/19/16 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 4/22/16 at 1:03 am to CocomoLSU
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Cutty selling on Avon hard, and in the end Avon busts out laughing that dude "only" needs $10K. And gives him 15 anyway.
that is one of my favorite scenes in the whole series. Ole Cutty goin on the hard sell about the Glod Club, pics on the wall, Avon wants none of that and when he cuts to the chase and Cutty only whats 10, Avon and Slim start laughing and give him 15, pocket change for these ballers
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So Levy tells String he's being played by Clay Davis. Damn. So Clay Muthafricking Davis was actually beasting on B&B after all
Clay Davis is the ultimate OG. Stringer is smart and his way would have been the right way, make the money and later for that gangster bullshite, but like is said, he's not as smart as he thinks he is. Clay even warns him, crawl, walk, then run. But meeting with Clay and giving him money without consulting Levy first is beyond stupid. Still Clay Davis has some brass ones to scam drug dealers, sheeeeeeeeeeet!
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Avon's plan is to get Stringer killed by Omar and Brother while String's plan is to get Avon busted by the police. White collar vs. blue collar. And it's been like that with B&B for a while now. Interesting.
that scene was awesome, you know what;s coming. That had the dream but it got screwed up along the way.
As for the String hit, the real estate guy was a total puss, but how he can't ID Omar or at least notice the scar is amazing "BNBG
Jimmy covering for Kima while she gets laid completes the transition.
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"Not everything is politics." Burrell.
ha ha, the biggest irony of all, because it is nothing but. After the shite goes down, the mayor will go with Marla as a political favor to Watkins. Interesting how the mayor is tempted to go with Bunny when he sees the bright side, reduced crime, health officials able to reach out but in the the end it is politics that screws it up. Also awesome how Jimmy figures out pretty quick that Terri is just trying to get info from him.
This season was right behind S1 for me (though S2 is closing fast). The last episode in particular hits on the underlying Iraq war theme. Mission Accomplished and Slim Charles "if it's a lie, then we fight on that lie".
This post was edited on 4/22/16 at 1:07 am
Posted on 4/25/16 at 10:03 am to H-Town Tiger
OP updated. I am out of work today, so I hope to get my comments on E1&2 tomorrow.
Love me some season four.
Love me some season four.
Posted on 4/25/16 at 10:08 am to CocomoLSU
randy is such a weasel but he's not a faker acting hard like naymond. that whole "you got away/you ran" scene over ice cream was real
jimmy has raised his game from being a selfish a-hole to binder thief
herc stumbled into the golden ticket (and the mayor's dick is HUGE)
cutty is now, el cuttio
carcetti giving up and mailing it in is hilarious. been there before
as i get older, the most i realize that subpoena shite is on the unbelievable level of hamsterdam and the stuff in S5
lex, you motherfricker
if only prez had spent as much focus on improving his police game as he does fighting the war on gum, he'd be a major
jimmy has raised his game from being a selfish a-hole to binder thief
herc stumbled into the golden ticket (and the mayor's dick is HUGE)
cutty is now, el cuttio
carcetti giving up and mailing it in is hilarious. been there before
as i get older, the most i realize that subpoena shite is on the unbelievable level of hamsterdam and the stuff in S5
lex, you motherfricker
if only prez had spent as much focus on improving his police game as he does fighting the war on gum, he'd be a major
This post was edited on 4/25/16 at 10:09 am
Posted on 4/25/16 at 10:38 am to CocomoLSU
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Cutty selling on Avon hard, and in the end Avon busts out laughing that dude "only" needs $10K. And gives him 15 anyway.
This is where the acting on this show shines - in little, relatively unimportant to the plot, but very valuable character development scenes. Obviously, Avon is going to help - he, himself, was an amateur boxer and knows the value both for his reputation in the community and to develop combat skills and instincts in his recruit pool. I was completely convinced that he was conflicted listening to Cutty's speech, thinking this was going to be $75k to $100k and he was going to have to talk him down to $20k to $25k or whatever. The relief when it was "only" $10k and the laughter was completely in character and humanized him even more.
As great as I think the show is - I don't think Avon was written particularly well. I thought Stringer and Dee, in particular, were meant to be the more "complex" and "complete" gangster characters. However, the acting and directing elevated the character of Avon as the show progressed. This is one of a handful of development scenes that accomplish this (another is the bar-b-que in Season 1, for example).
This post was edited on 4/25/16 at 10:39 am
Posted on 4/25/16 at 10:47 am to CocomoLSU
I'm a little behind on Episode 2 but still hanging in there. I had started a rewatch a long time ago that I never finished, never made it to 4 so I haven't seen it since soon after it aired.
Feels kind of fresh.
Feels kind of fresh.
Posted on 4/25/16 at 11:52 am to SlowFlowPro
Randy is just a pure at heart mischievous kid completely normal for his background
Language immersion can’t possibly be that effective
the mayor packing a full foot Did you catch the eye she was giving him in the first episode?
As great as I think the show is - I don't think Avon was written particularly well
I like the scene of Avon visiting his uncle in the nursing home.
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cutty is now, el cuttio
Language immersion can’t possibly be that effective
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herc stumbled into the golden ticket (and the mayor's dick is HUGE)
the mayor packing a full foot Did you catch the eye she was giving him in the first episode?
As great as I think the show is - I don't think Avon was written particularly well
I like the scene of Avon visiting his uncle in the nursing home.
This post was edited on 4/25/16 at 11:54 am
Posted on 4/25/16 at 12:05 pm to jamsmiley
i think Randy is not just mischievous. he can be bought and the question is only how much it would cost (or what pressure would it take) for him to sell you out
Posted on 4/25/16 at 12:53 pm to Freauxzen
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Feels kind of fresh.
For me - Season 2, 4, and 5 were all significantly better on second and third viewings. I think expectations are appropriate and I can enjoy the acting without having to worry about big picture details. This is not a show where the plot is everything. The dialogue and character interaction is almost everything, with the plot being just a vehicle to present us with the characters. A nice twist and a reason this show rises above the background noise, particularly on repeated viewings and with passage of time.
I think women are going to be drawn to Season 4 because of their nurturing instincts. Bunny is a great character, as well, and really provides a nice inlet for the audience to understand the corner boys - far better than Prez, whom I like, but not as much as Bunny.
Posted on 4/25/16 at 1:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i think Randy is not just mischievous. he can be bought and the question is only how much it would cost (or what pressure would it take) for him to sell you out
Not hard to understand as he has been sold out his entire life.
Michael is just hard as hell. He really does mirror Omar way more than Marlo. Hard as hell, smart but you can tell has a weird bit of heart about him.
Michael is probably the hardest character on the show to characterize for me.
Posted on 4/25/16 at 1:52 pm to STLhog
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Not hard to understand as he has been sold out his entire life.
not by his current foster mother. plus dook is a lot worse off
Posted on 4/25/16 at 1:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
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not by his current foster mother. plus dook is a lot worse off
Dook kind of serves as a reverse "perceived relative deprivation" lesson. Naymond has it pretty good, from a material comfort standpoint (his mom gets an F grade, though). Randy is doing okay, relatively speaking in his current situation. Mike is raising himself and Bug, and is somewhat competent to do so. Dook's situation is tragic and disheartening.
Posted on 4/25/16 at 2:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
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as i get older, the most i realize that subpoena shite is on the unbelievable level of hamsterdam and the stuff in S5
not sure what you mean by this.
Posted on 4/25/16 at 2:10 pm to H-Town Tiger
there is no way in hell those subpoenas would be allowed, on a number of levels. i don't mean legally, i mean through the political/bureaucratic system.
Posted on 4/25/16 at 2:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
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there is no way in hell those subpoenas would be allowed, on a number of levels. i don't mean legally, i mean through the political/bureaucratic system
i gotcha
Posted on 4/25/16 at 2:21 pm to H-Town Tiger
as soon as they were filed/processed i'm sure that people like clay davis would know they were coming, too
Posted on 4/27/16 at 11:52 am to CocomoLSU
Boys of Summer:
Marlo's crew has found a great way to avoid police attention by boarding up the bodies. Surprised no one thought of that before, or maybe they wanted the bodies to be seen by the other crews?
Fruit getting taken out is probably the 2nd best of the series. But Lex was freaking stupid, even after Bodie warned him. Marlo and Chris at least get it rather than take out the entire crew.
Herc with a new assignment. Nerese Campbell sighting
Carcetti campaign is struggling to get moving.
This is my 2nd go round for season 4 and knowing how the kids turn out, we can see some of it already, especially in Michael and Dukie, their fates don't seem surprising.
Nice to see Carver took bunny's advise and is now doing some actual po-leece work, building potential informants, even correcting douche bag Coleccio.
Not sure what to make of Jimmy that wasting his talent is better for him personally.
Lester and Kima running the detail.
Marlo's crew has found a great way to avoid police attention by boarding up the bodies. Surprised no one thought of that before, or maybe they wanted the bodies to be seen by the other crews?
Fruit getting taken out is probably the 2nd best of the series. But Lex was freaking stupid, even after Bodie warned him. Marlo and Chris at least get it rather than take out the entire crew.
Herc with a new assignment. Nerese Campbell sighting
Carcetti campaign is struggling to get moving.
This is my 2nd go round for season 4 and knowing how the kids turn out, we can see some of it already, especially in Michael and Dukie, their fates don't seem surprising.
Nice to see Carver took bunny's advise and is now doing some actual po-leece work, building potential informants, even correcting douche bag Coleccio.
Not sure what to make of Jimmy that wasting his talent is better for him personally.
Lester and Kima running the detail.
This post was edited on 4/27/16 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 4/27/16 at 12:15 pm to CocomoLSU
Here we go..
fricking Snoop. I hate her so fricking much. Still a great opening scene to S4 though...although I highly doubt Home Depot (or whatever) would simply let someone walk straight out of the store with a brand new device like that, without checking out. Surely an alarm or something would've gone off when she strolls out the door.
And Namond Brice. Ugh. These are my two most hated characters on the show. Worst part of the series is these two (and Cheese).
So Slim tells Bodie that Avon is gone and he's on his own, so who does Bodie work for? Is he technically part of B&B still and working with Slim? Is Slim running shite in Avon's absence, or is B&B pretty much dissolved now?
Chris partlow is such a cold blooded dude. Love it.
"*BANG* What's up, Patrice?" Lex =
I love how Jimmy is a family man now. Him stealing binders for the kids (or Beadie's kids?) was great.
How can I love Weebay so much and LOATHE Namond at the same time?
Michael standing face to face with Marlo...that's a great scene.
Is that the first Clay Davis sheeeeeeeiiiiiiiiit we've actually gotten onscreen?
Ole prick arse Valchek helps out Herc and laughs at how inexperienced Herc is in the politics game. And then the first thing he does is turn around and ask for a favor down the road. Typical.
If Daniels is promoted, who is actually running the Special Crimes Unit now? Who do Lester, Kima, and Sydnor report to?
Bubbz seeing Prez at the school was hilarious.
Man, you gotta feel awful for Dukie. Dude just doesn't have a fricking shot at all.
Carcetti whines his arse off but then brings the booms at the debate. Dude is slick, I'll give him that.
And of course Namond gets his fresh gear anyway. frick that a-hole. And a pre-emptive frick you to Bunny too.
fricking Snoop. I hate her so fricking much. Still a great opening scene to S4 though...although I highly doubt Home Depot (or whatever) would simply let someone walk straight out of the store with a brand new device like that, without checking out. Surely an alarm or something would've gone off when she strolls out the door.
And Namond Brice. Ugh. These are my two most hated characters on the show. Worst part of the series is these two (and Cheese).
So Slim tells Bodie that Avon is gone and he's on his own, so who does Bodie work for? Is he technically part of B&B still and working with Slim? Is Slim running shite in Avon's absence, or is B&B pretty much dissolved now?
Chris partlow is such a cold blooded dude. Love it.
"*BANG* What's up, Patrice?" Lex =
I love how Jimmy is a family man now. Him stealing binders for the kids (or Beadie's kids?) was great.
How can I love Weebay so much and LOATHE Namond at the same time?
Michael standing face to face with Marlo...that's a great scene.
Is that the first Clay Davis sheeeeeeeiiiiiiiiit we've actually gotten onscreen?
Ole prick arse Valchek helps out Herc and laughs at how inexperienced Herc is in the politics game. And then the first thing he does is turn around and ask for a favor down the road. Typical.
If Daniels is promoted, who is actually running the Special Crimes Unit now? Who do Lester, Kima, and Sydnor report to?
Bubbz seeing Prez at the school was hilarious.
Man, you gotta feel awful for Dukie. Dude just doesn't have a fricking shot at all.
Carcetti whines his arse off but then brings the booms at the debate. Dude is slick, I'll give him that.
And of course Namond gets his fresh gear anyway. frick that a-hole. And a pre-emptive frick you to Bunny too.
This post was edited on 4/27/16 at 12:32 pm
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