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re: OFFICIAL "The Wire" M/TV Board rewatch thread (current discussion starts ~p. 53)
Posted on 4/27/16 at 12:19 pm to CocomoLSU
Posted on 4/27/16 at 12:19 pm to CocomoLSU
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So Slim tells Bodie that Avon is gone and he's on his own, so who does Bodie work for?
himself. he gets the package from joe (probably via slim)
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Is Slim running shite in Avon's absence, or is B&B pretty much dissolved now?
B/B is done. slim is working for somebody else...joe iirc
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How can I love Weebay so much and LOATHE Namond at the same time?
it shows the difference in 1st generation (grow up poor and hungry) and 2nd generation (grew up in luxury as a "somebody")
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If Daniels is promoted, who is actually running the Special Crimes Unit now?
the guy building the house who is paying 0 attention to lester/kima
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Posted on 4/27/16 at 12:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
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randy is such a weasel but he's not a faker acting hard like naymond. that whole "you got away/you ran" scene over ice cream was real
I don't think Randy is really a weasel...he just is a (relatively) good kid trying to make do in the hood. His forte is being the candyman. Buy low and sell high. it shows that he has a smart head on his shoulders, and is just maybe a little out of his league with hoodrat shite (like the piss balloon idea that gets all of their asses kicked).
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herc stumbled into the golden ticket (and the mayor's dick is HUGE)
I love how uneqipped he is to handle it though. He is terrified that he will be fired, but doesn't even realize that he got the golden egg.
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if only prez had spent as much focus on improving his police game as he does fighting the war on gum, he'd be a major
"Can we get them to not chew gum?"
And Prez didn't know he was good poleese until it was too late. And then, once he started making his comeback, he fricked up and shot the black undercover. Not even Valchek could pull him out of that mess.
Posted on 4/27/16 at 12:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the guy building the house who is paying 0 attention to lester/kima
On paper. In actuality, Lester is running the detail.
Posted on 4/27/16 at 12:25 pm to Ace Midnight
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This is where the acting on this show shines - in little, relatively unimportant to the plot, but very valuable character development scenes. Obviously, Avon is going to help - he, himself, was an amateur boxer and knows the value both for his reputation in the community and to develop combat skills and instincts in his recruit pool. I was completely convinced that he was conflicted listening to Cutty's speech, thinking this was going to be $75k to $100k and he was going to have to talk him down to $20k to $25k or whatever. The relief when it was "only" $10k and the laughter was completely in character and humanized him even more.
As great as I think the show is - I don't think Avon was written particularly well. I thought Stringer and Dee, in particular, were meant to be the more "complex" and "complete" gangster characters. However, the acting and directing elevated the character of Avon as the show progressed. This is one of a handful of development scenes that accomplish this (another is the bar-b-que in Season 1, for example).
Avon is great. And Wood Harris is great as him IMO. I know what you mean about it not being written too well at times, but the Cutty scene is perfect like you said. It is sort of a little throwaway scene, but you get so much light shed on both characters. Cutty, in how he approaches "the man" and knows that he has to sell it hard. And Avon, as the king listening to a peasant and expecting more than what was asked. In both situations, each person sort of expected the worst, yet the reality was much better for everyone. Great scene.
Posted on 4/27/16 at 12:26 pm to Ace Midnight
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For me - Season 2, 4, and 5 were all significantly better on second and third viewings.
For some reason I expect to hate the serial killer thing less this time around. That really bugged me the first time I watched the series.
Posted on 4/27/16 at 12:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
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as soon as they were filed/processed i'm sure that people like clay davis would know they were coming, too
But wasn't that kinda the point though? Didn't they serve them almost as soon as they were filed, as sort of a "gotcha" to the culprits?
That sort of how I took it.
Posted on 4/27/16 at 12:36 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Marlo's crew has found a great way to avoid police attention by boarding up the bodies. Surprised no one thought of that before, or maybe they wanted the bodies to be seen by the other crews?
I think it's more smart. Surely most crews would rather not have the police attention, yet still get shite done. Plus, as long as there isn't a body, the rumor mill can carry a lot of weight ("Did you hear what happened to ____?") in terms of keeping names respected on the street (which we know Marlo cares about a lot...Avon too).
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This is my 2nd go round for season 4 and knowing how the kids turn out, we can see some of it already, especially in Michael and Dukie, their fates don't seem surprising.
Agreed. It's interesting watching now, knowing their fates. This is my second watch as well. And I agree with Dukie, but not so much Michael. Sure, he's somewhat of a loaner at times, and he's more "responsible" than the others being that he has to take care of himself and Bug. But I remember his path feeling out of place a bit the first time I watched it. I'm interested to see if I feel the same way this time. But Dukie, man...shite sucks.
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Nice to see Carver took bunny's advise and is now doing some actual po-leece work, building potential informants, even correcting douche bag Coleccio.
I hate Carver much more this time around. But he gets points for correcting Collechio, because frick that prick.
Posted on 4/27/16 at 12:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
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himself. he gets the package from joe (probably via slim)
So Bodie doesn't answer to anybody now, okay (except the connect I guess).
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B/B is done
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it shows the difference in 1st generation (grow up poor and hungry) and 2nd generation (grew up in luxury as a "somebody")
It definitely does. But damn, Namond is a fricking tool.
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the guy building the house who is paying 0 attention to lester/kima
Who is that? Did I completely miss that?
Posted on 4/27/16 at 1:01 pm to CocomoLSU
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Who is that? Did I completely miss that?
he's in the 1st or 2nd episode. he's the "lieutenant" (don't recall his name). kima gets him to sign off on shite and asks him about the house
Posted on 4/27/16 at 4:21 pm to CocomoLSU
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think it's more smart. Surely most crews would rather not have the police attention, yet still get shite done. Plus, as long as there isn't a body, the rumor mill can carry a lot of weight ("Did you hear what happened to ____?") in terms of keeping names respected on the street (which we know Marlo cares about a lot...Avon too).
its very smart, which makes me wonder a)why no one else thought of it and b)is it really 100% practical since a lot of the bodies are dropped beefing over corners/territory. Hard to lure everyone into a nice trap like they did with Lex (what a fricking idiot BTW to fall for that). Kinda plays into SFP's comment about Marlo having a cheat code.
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And I agree with Dukie, but not so much Michael. Sure, he's somewhat of a loaner at times, and he's more "responsible" than the others being that he has to take care of himself and Bug. But I remember his path feeling out of place a bit the first time I watched it. I'm interested to see if I feel the same way this time. But Dukie, man...shite sucks.
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Dukie is a kid that basically has no chance. At least Wallace was smart and more "normal" for lack of a better term. Poor Dukie is lacking in social skills on top of having a horrible situation.
The way Michael turned down Marlo's cash and starred him down just made me think the way he ultimately turns out makes perfect sense.
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I hate Carver much more this time around.
i get what you mean. I didn't really remember he was the snitch in S1 the first time and didn't really realize what a shitty cop he was until the 2nd viewing. He got good advice first from Daniels and then from Bunny and now seems to be applying it. 1 of the few characters that is growing, i liked him a lot more the first 2 eps of S4 than S1-3.
Posted on 4/27/16 at 5:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
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he's in the 1st or 2nd episode. he's the "lieutenant" (don't recall his name). kima gets him to sign off on shite and asks him about the house
Ah. I remember that dude. I didn't think he was their boss though. Just thought they needed him to sign off on some shite so she was buttering him up or whatever.
Posted on 4/27/16 at 6:01 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Kinda plays into SFP's comment about Marlo having a cheat code.
Nah. Y'all are mixing up being smart with having a cheat code. Huge difference. Marlo just approaches it differently than the rest.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:13 am to H-Town Tiger
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Not sure what to make of Jimmy that wasting his talent is better for him personally.
It's low stress.
Jimmy thought Santangelo got fricked when he got reassigned, but then when he came across him in S3, Santangelo was talking about how awesome it was to not be in the homicide division or CID. He was working an easy, low stress 9-5 (relatively speaking) and never took any of his work home with him (metaphorically). Just show up and get paid and not worry about solving shite or office politics or any of that.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:13 am to CocomoLSU
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Ah. I remember that dude. I didn't think he was their boss though. Just thought they needed him to sign off on some shite so she was buttering him up or whatever.
He was definitely their boss, he was just super hands off about it.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 12:12 pm to amiznit
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It's low stress.
Jimmy thought Santangelo got fricked when he got reassigned, but then when he came across him in S3, Santangelo was talking about how awesome it was to not be in the homicide division or CID. He was working an easy, low stress 9-5 (relatively speaking) and never took any of his work home with him (metaphorically). Just show up and get paid and not worry about solving shite or office politics or any of that.
Oh I know why he did it and that he decided after seeing a woman he thought was Beadie, then seeing Beadies pic on the fridge and then running into Santy.
Thing is Santagelo was not a good cop, so that is part of his stress. Jimmy is flat wasting his talent, as Daniels and Melo discuss. I'm just wondering what it says about Jimmy that he can't function as an adult AND use his talent
This post was edited on 4/28/16 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:07 am to H-Town Tiger
OP is updated. I'm digging S4.
Home Rooms
Omar getting stashes thrown at him even when he's not trying and is just trying to go out and get some milk.
"He wants to go big dick with me? I'll show him one he can't handle." Royce.
You got that right, man...we've seen that hog.
"I'm my own trademark. You feel me?" Omar.
And he's right. Avon was the same way. We see later that Marlo is the same way too. Certain people in the game only care about how they are viewed....in the game.
Bodie standing up to Marlo, and then shooting down Slim's advice. Come on, bruh...hang in there.
Prez is in WAY over his head.
I'm not sure what the hell is going on on the police side of things. So Rawls fricks over the special crimes unit (and Daniels?) by putting Marimow over it and making everybody quit, thus making the unit itself go away? What the hell for?
Man, that chick straight up sliced that other chick's face open. Damn, girl.
Refugees
Calling the zoo for Mr. Lyon.
Marlo gambling with $150k? Damn. Dude is ballin.
It's crazy that every single cop seems to care about is their pension/retirement. Sure, some are better pohleese than others, but ultimately it's all about the end game.
It's amazing that Prez doesn't even notice that his kids are missing. Dude, there are two empty seats in the middle of your classroom that weren't empty 30 seconds ago. Randy and Sherrod peacing the frick out of there.
"You know what the plural of pussy is? Pussi." Drunk Bunk.
Man I love Drunk Bunk.
Crazy about the whole truancy thing, and that all the school cares about is getting the kids there for a single day each month to keep funding. And what's worse is that I totally understand why that's the only thing they care about. But it's still crazy that there are places like that (and kids like that). I'd be just as pissed as Cutty too.
"I don't know much about cards but I think these .45s beat a full house." Omar.
Get em, Omar.
So did Prop Joe know that this was where Marlo plays cards? I assume he did, mainly because PJ seems to know a lot about just about everything. So was he setting Marlo up for Omar? Trying to teach him a lesson? What would've been the purpose of that (assuming he knew that's where Marlo played)?
Man, Michael is such a weird character. I remember the direction they take him during the season felt so forced the first time I watched it. And I can see it again this time. Dude is normal one minute, and then completely abnormal the next. He seems to have a good head on his shoulders though.
Home Rooms
Omar getting stashes thrown at him even when he's not trying and is just trying to go out and get some milk.
"He wants to go big dick with me? I'll show him one he can't handle." Royce.
You got that right, man...we've seen that hog.
"I'm my own trademark. You feel me?" Omar.
And he's right. Avon was the same way. We see later that Marlo is the same way too. Certain people in the game only care about how they are viewed....in the game.
Bodie standing up to Marlo, and then shooting down Slim's advice. Come on, bruh...hang in there.
Prez is in WAY over his head.
I'm not sure what the hell is going on on the police side of things. So Rawls fricks over the special crimes unit (and Daniels?) by putting Marimow over it and making everybody quit, thus making the unit itself go away? What the hell for?
Man, that chick straight up sliced that other chick's face open. Damn, girl.
Refugees
Calling the zoo for Mr. Lyon.
Marlo gambling with $150k? Damn. Dude is ballin.
It's crazy that every single cop seems to care about is their pension/retirement. Sure, some are better pohleese than others, but ultimately it's all about the end game.
It's amazing that Prez doesn't even notice that his kids are missing. Dude, there are two empty seats in the middle of your classroom that weren't empty 30 seconds ago. Randy and Sherrod peacing the frick out of there.
"You know what the plural of pussy is? Pussi." Drunk Bunk.
Man I love Drunk Bunk.
Crazy about the whole truancy thing, and that all the school cares about is getting the kids there for a single day each month to keep funding. And what's worse is that I totally understand why that's the only thing they care about. But it's still crazy that there are places like that (and kids like that). I'd be just as pissed as Cutty too.
"I don't know much about cards but I think these .45s beat a full house." Omar.
Get em, Omar.
So did Prop Joe know that this was where Marlo plays cards? I assume he did, mainly because PJ seems to know a lot about just about everything. So was he setting Marlo up for Omar? Trying to teach him a lesson? What would've been the purpose of that (assuming he knew that's where Marlo played)?
Man, Michael is such a weird character. I remember the direction they take him during the season felt so forced the first time I watched it. And I can see it again this time. Dude is normal one minute, and then completely abnormal the next. He seems to have a good head on his shoulders though.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:13 am to CocomoLSU
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So Rawls fricks over the special crimes unit (and Daniels?) by putting Marimow over it and making everybody quit, thus making the unit itself go away? What the hell for?
Because the police department upper leadership is not about solving crime and public safety - it's about politics.
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So did Prop Joe know that this was where Marlo plays cards? I assume he did, mainly because PJ seems to know a lot about just about everything. So was he setting Marlo up for Omar? Trying to teach him a lesson? What would've been the purpose of that (assuming he knew that's where Marlo played)?
I thought it was very adroit - get his foes beefing with each other, and he can play the "honest" broker in between. He figured worst case one would kill the other and he could focus on one problem child at a time.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:25 am to CocomoLSU
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I'm not sure what the hell is going on on the police side of things. So Rawls fricks over the special crimes unit (and Daniels?) by putting Marimow over it and making everybody quit, thus making the unit itself go away? What the hell for?
the subpoenas. lester tried to play games to frick with politicians and political contributors and rawls one-upped him
lester went rogue, fricked with his bosses boss (royce), and the unit had to get got. "no more surprises"
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So did Prop Joe know that this was where Marlo plays cards? I assume he did, mainly because PJ seems to know a lot about just about everything. So was he setting Marlo up for Omar? Trying to teach him a lesson? What would've been the purpose of that (assuming he knew that's where Marlo played)?
i think he wanted to teach marlo a lesson to get him into the fold, ie, "you're not invincible" plus he got goodwill with omar
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Man, Michael is such a weird character. I remember the direction they take him during the season felt so forced the first time I watched it. And I can see it again this time. Dude is normal one minute, and then completely abnormal the next.
don't want to get ahead, but he's clearly cautious of older men and their intentions
Posted on 5/2/16 at 9:45 am to CocomoLSU
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I'm not sure what the hell is going on on the police side of things. So Rawls fricks over the special crimes unit (and Daniels?) by putting Marimow over it and making everybody quit, thus making the unit itself go away? What the hell for?
Clay Davis wasn't happy he was served a subpoena so he pressured Royce who pressured Burrell who got Rawls to limit the investigations of Major Crimes.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 9:47 am to amiznit
wasn't just clay. andy k (not spelling his last name) also got served
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