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re: OFFICIAL "The Wire" M/TV Board rewatch thread (current discussion starts ~p. 53)
Posted on 4/4/16 at 3:55 pm to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 4/4/16 at 3:55 pm to H-Town Tiger
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I assume the park in Zurich
Yea Platzspitz, that is a very interesting read..
Apparently had around 20,000 addicts at its peaks and people overdosing daily. Needles and trash everywhere...
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Posted on 4/4/16 at 5:56 pm to H-Town Tiger
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, but to me the big question and the once Bunny is asking is, is it better than the alternative current policies?
Not directly on point, but this type of debate reminds me of the old joke about the condemned man getting his choice of execution back in the old days:
Judge: "You have been condemned to death. You have your choice of hanging, beheading, slow strangulation, poison, drowning...."
[interrupting]
The condemned: "Let me stop your right there, judge. Is death by pretty girl or old age somewhere further along in your list? If not, it's all the same to me."
Posted on 4/4/16 at 6:14 pm to CocomoLSU
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frick YOU, KALECHI. And your stupid arse New Iberia haircut.
why did dozerman have to get shot when that motherfricker is ripe for a lesson?
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Marlo beasting on Avon and his boys. Dude is so smart. And of course my boy Chris Partlow rolls up on them and shoves some shotgun into their window. I love how ruthless Partlow is.
like i said earlier. they basically give marlo a cheat code on this series to keep the drama up
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Avon has to know that String made the right call on Dee...he HAS to. Man that was intense, and awesome.
i think the fact that he never rats string out confirms this. i'm pretty sure he doesn't ever tell brianna
Posted on 4/4/16 at 6:19 pm to H-Town Tiger
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and the toughest question is always does the effect the harder drugs have on the user make it too dangerous to fully legalize?
theoretically
i think the bigger issue is how we treat drug abuse. it should be a psychological issue and not a criminal one
the problem is that if you go 180 from one extreme to the other, it's going to lead to difficult realities. it's one reason why i avoid saying i'm "libertarian" that often now. i just want less government b/c we have to transition away from where we are now
so down the road would i like full legalization? probably (if the transition leads to good data), but it's a path to get there
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is it better than the alternative current policies? You still have a lot of these same problems, it is just spread out more.
violent crime almost certainly would go down
Posted on 4/5/16 at 8:51 am to H-Town Tiger
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that's not what i mean. He learned about it in class and then goes out talking about it to his crew, like they should know this stuff, when he probably didn't know it before class either. Plus this inspires Bodie to go take the corner which lead to the kid getting shot.
I know what you meant. I was just mentioning that those companies were collapsing around the time the show was filming so they threw it in the script
Posted on 4/5/16 at 10:31 am to SlowFlowPro
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violent crime almost certainly would go down
Didn't it in fact go up in Zurich though?
The same issues with drug dealers and territory were prevalent if I remember right.
Trying to find this crazy macro article I read once upon a time. It was great with maps and timelines and stuff. Not to get too off topic, but I think it warrants discussion.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 10:31 am to SlowFlowPro
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like i said earlier. they basically give marlo a cheat code on this series to keep the drama up
That and he's just a new breed. Dude has a 6th sense and is one of those that always sees what is coming.
Teflon type for sure and cold AF.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 10:33 am to STLhog
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Didn't it in fact go up in Zurich though?
well in Zurich you're dealing with a COMPLETELY different level of starting point re: violent crime
Posted on 4/5/16 at 10:44 am to SlowFlowPro
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violent crime almost certainly would go down
Maybe. What would go down would be the costs to arrest and incarcerate the mere addicts. I'm not sure the violent crime stats would budge all that much. There is a culture of ingrained, force-on-force violence in the urban crime centers. Maybe it dips, but I doubt full-on legalization will be the magic pill that advocates suggest. I'd love for that to be true.
I agree that the process should be slow and methodical. Legalizing marijuana - nationwide - is probably the first major hurdle that has to be cleared. It is already demystified among the millenials who probably have a near 100% experimentation rate at this point - for any of them over 15 or 16. I think removing it from schedule 1 to make medical MJ legal - essentially everywhere, overnight is on the horizon - could happen in months, not years. Then recreational will spread from its western enclaves to the rest of the country.
I don't see a clear path for cocaine, meth, heroin and MDMA (probably the big 4 hard drugs at this point, the hallucinogens tend to wax and wane with popularity) ever getting to fully legalized status in the U.S. in this century. Maybe I'm too old to see it.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 11:14 am to Ace Midnight
your problem drugs are
1. opiates (including Rx and heroin)
2. meth
big gap
3. cocaine (but really, primarily crack. coke isn't a big deal and if legalized a lot of the ancillary issues would die)
MDMA and hallucinogens are right behind weed in terms of addiction, harm, and potential medical-therapeutic use
1. opiates (including Rx and heroin)
2. meth
big gap
3. cocaine (but really, primarily crack. coke isn't a big deal and if legalized a lot of the ancillary issues would die)
MDMA and hallucinogens are right behind weed in terms of addiction, harm, and potential medical-therapeutic use
Posted on 4/5/16 at 11:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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3. cocaine (but really, primarily crack. coke isn't a big deal and if legalized a lot of the ancillary issues would die)
I'm just not sold on this argument. Cocaine was a devastating problem once it became cost effective (crack). The fact that powder cocaine was associated with the rich and famous was because powder cocaine was extremely expensive during it's heyday in the 70s and 80s. People who got hooked used as much as they could afford - although no physical dependence, it is a crippling psychological addiction - for those who acquire the taste for it. The fact we've educated/reduced our way out of the crack epidemic from the 80s and 90s is masked by the fact that the stimulant fiends switched to meth - which can be manufactured locally/cheaply. Although meth is probably a worse drug, overall, from a health/society standpoint - it's just a matter of degree.
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MDMA and hallucinogens are right behind weed in terms of addiction, harm, and potential medical-therapeutic use
I have to disagree with this. This is akin to saying, "Everybody should just be able to go get antibiotics at Wal-Greens."
While I don't think they warrant their fierce reputations, MDMA and hallucinogens are too dangerous for lay persons to use without medical supervision, IMHO. I'm dubious about claims of therapeutic use, but I'm open to reviewing research. This is an area of particular intellectual interest to me. I concede there appears to be more positive potential in these drugs than recreational opiates and stimulants like meth or cocaine.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 12:11 pm to Ace Midnight
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While I don't think they warrant their fierce reputations, MDMA and hallucinogens are too dangerous for lay persons to use without medical supervision, IMHO
i think in time we'll learn this isn't true, esp if quality concerns are taken care of (by the market)
it will be the same as alcohol. sure you CAN frick your shite up, but that's on you
and i said they'll follow weed, so it will start with medical supervision and evolve from there, imho
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I'm dubious about claims of therapeutic use, but I'm open to reviewing research. This is an area of particular intellectual interest to me.
well MDMA has been in studies about psychological counseling and it really does help people open up and get into their stuff
LSD doesn't have the same sort of testing, but that's b/c of our draconian WOD (especially the timing). there are some interesting allegations, esp surrounding PTSD. it's really crazy shite but if true (and i could see how it is true), that would be amazing (esp for vets)
no matter what there are people who grew up or were adults during the 60s/70s who will automatically reject any scientific data
Posted on 4/5/16 at 12:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
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LSD doesn't have the same sort of testing, but that's b/c of our draconian WOD (especially the timing).
There was a shite ton of research in the 1950s and 60s on LSD, Jake. They thought it was going to be a wonder drug. They always do. Like with Cortisone - the reality was kind of harsh to the scientists themselves.
We're kind of derailing the thread, but that's what smart, but socially awkward guys do, right?
Posted on 4/5/16 at 12:31 pm to Ace Midnight
Posted on 4/7/16 at 1:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
Finally getting back to the thread.
He really is. One of the best things about the show is his struggle with being good versus being bad, or being loyal vs. unloyal, good vs. dirty, etc.
It's VERY forced. I get what they're trying to do, but when we're rolling through the show two episodes per week, it stands out how sort of forced that is. It's like Kima is this good cop, and seemingly good person, and then all of a sudden she's turning into Jimmy, a la a piece of shite. It's out of nowhere. And I get that they try to make it about the baby, but it feels like it's deeper than that, yet there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to it.
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jimmie is a piece of shite
He really is. One of the best things about the show is his struggle with being good versus being bad, or being loyal vs. unloyal, good vs. dirty, etc.
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kima's life is melting down, but it's kind of forced. she's not working 7, 12s. she gets days off. mcnulty has plenty of time to do all sorts of shite for her personal life (and plenty of time to get drunk like they show kima). what the living frick is kima doing in her's?
It's VERY forced. I get what they're trying to do, but when we're rolling through the show two episodes per week, it stands out how sort of forced that is. It's like Kima is this good cop, and seemingly good person, and then all of a sudden she's turning into Jimmy, a la a piece of shite. It's out of nowhere. And I get that they try to make it about the baby, but it feels like it's deeper than that, yet there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to it.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 1:31 pm to H-Town Tiger
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"Are you taking notes on a criminal fricking conspiracy?"
That was awesome.
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one thing is he's not as smart as he thinks or wishes he was. The way he tries to take the stuff he learned in class last night almost too literally. The WorldCom branding, selling phone stocks short because of market saturation etc. Its new stuff to him and the world he's in. He's in it to get out and be a businessman. What he's missing is that guys like Avon and Marlo are in it for the "glory". Like Marlo said when Vinson was warning him about going to war and the guys that wore the crown ended up dead of in jail "at least they wore it (the crown) though".
Stringer gets out of pocket a little sometimes with the school shite. It's funny because you're watching it and you're like "Dude, you learned that like ten minutes ago and now you're yelling at somebody for not knowing about it??" He gets out of line with it too sometimes.
And you're right, he thinks he is smarter than he really is. At least sometimes. That's why he gets put in his place sometimes by the legit business people, and people like Clay Davis. String is somebody who always seems to think he has everything figured out.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 1:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
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like i said earlier. they basically give marlo a cheat code on this series to keep the drama up
How do you mean though? Especially as of right now, dude is just new to the corners and really cautious because he knows that people are gonna be out to get him.
Him being smart or playing the game differently than B&B doesn't mean it's a "cheat code."
Posted on 4/11/16 at 10:23 pm to CocomoLSU
Slapstick:
Jimmy leaves his kids at home to go frick Terri, yep what a jack arse.
Speaking of a POS, i love how Carceitti just sits there while his "bud" Gray tells him he's going to run for mayor.
The Sunday Truce is kind of funny. These hardened gang bangers will kill people no problem, but just not on Sunday. Though, if they can't kill him on Sunday, why are they staking out Omar on Sunday? I suppose it was to show again how Stringer was detached from the street side and get Omar back on the Barksdale's.
So Prezbo and Jimmy go out for Chinese and hear a call and Prez winds up shooting and killing an undercover cop. I was thinking watching that scene just how timely it is even 12 years later. Cop sees a gun and shoots, no warning. Jay and another cop are talking how the dead cop was a riser and Prez was a screw up only in the force because of Valchek. Guy has no business on the street, he shot up a car, left a kid half blind and killed an under cover cop. But showed a real talent for the paper trail and investigative work, but outside of Lester and a few others, no one appreciates his skill and as Jimmy was lamenting when Lester tells him to get a life, their great work goes largely unnoticed and unappreciated. A real tragedy on many levels.
Nice little tid bit with Santy, saying how happy he is working a shift and not stressing in homicide.
Jimmy leaves his kids at home to go frick Terri
, yep what a jack arse. Speaking of a POS, i love how Carceitti just sits there while his "bud" Gray tells him he's going to run for mayor.
The Sunday Truce is kind of funny. These hardened gang bangers will kill people no problem, but just not on Sunday. Though, if they can't kill him on Sunday, why are they staking out Omar on Sunday? I suppose it was to show again how Stringer was detached from the street side and get Omar back on the Barksdale's.
So Prezbo and Jimmy go out for Chinese and hear a call and Prez winds up shooting and killing an undercover cop. I was thinking watching that scene just how timely it is even 12 years later. Cop sees a gun and shoots, no warning. Jay and another cop are talking how the dead cop was a riser and Prez was a screw up only in the force because of Valchek. Guy has no business on the street, he shot up a car, left a kid half blind and killed an under cover cop. But showed a real talent for the paper trail and investigative work, but outside of Lester and a few others, no one appreciates his skill and as Jimmy was lamenting when Lester tells him to get a life, their great work goes largely unnoticed and unappreciated. A real tragedy on many levels.
Nice little tid bit with Santy, saying how happy he is working a shift and not stressing in homicide.
Posted on 4/11/16 at 10:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:what do you mean by this?
like i said earlier. they basically give marlo a cheat code on this series to keep the drama up
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:18 am to H-Town Tiger
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The Sunday Truce is kind of funny. These hardened gang bangers will kill people no problem, but just not on Sunday. Though, if they can't kill him on Sunday, why are they staking out Omar on Sunday? I suppose it was to show again how Stringer was detached from the street side and get Omar back on the Barksdale's.
Slim's line about Omar's gma is one of my favorites in the entire series.
"That woman right there is a bonafide colored woman. You know what that is?"
And how they call her hat a crown lmao.
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