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re: OFFICIAL "The Wire" M/TV Board rewatch thread (current discussion starts ~p. 53)
Posted on 3/22/16 at 12:25 pm to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 3/22/16 at 12:25 pm to H-Town Tiger
Hamsterdam
Lester and McNulty bout to throw down. I forgot about that tension. But Jimmy sure the hell seems to not give many fricks about his job and is so focused on Stringer that Lester, Prez, and others have to pick up his slack.
I can't fricking stand the way that cop with Bunny talks. Like I want to punch him in the mouth every time he opens his mouth.
And that's the real Jay Landsman, right?
Ole Cutty tired of playing it straight, nad hits up Slim Charles. And look at Slim schooling those youngsters on who Cutty is. They better recognize and respect that man.
Stringer lunching with Clay Davis? Sheeeeeeeiiiiiiiit.
Levy beasting at that parole hearing for Avon. Pearlman thought she had that shite in the bag, but maybe she's too focused on that BBC though..
Cutty gets drunk, high, AND a threesome? That's one hell of a welcome home. Dude almost looks like he doesn't know what to do with himself.
Ole Bubbz got him a part time job now. I love Bubbles, man.
I forgot how young Marlo is. 22? Good Lord. And that one cop says he's "pure evil." I don't remember any of that from my first watch.
All in all, not a lot happens this episode, but it sort of checks in on a lot of different things and gets shite set up more for the season. I can't wait for the Homecoming episode this week, when Avon finally gets back into the game.
Lester and McNulty bout to throw down. I forgot about that tension. But Jimmy sure the hell seems to not give many fricks about his job and is so focused on Stringer that Lester, Prez, and others have to pick up his slack.
I can't fricking stand the way that cop with Bunny talks. Like I want to punch him in the mouth every time he opens his mouth.
And that's the real Jay Landsman, right? Ole Cutty tired of playing it straight, nad hits up Slim Charles. And look at Slim schooling those youngsters on who Cutty is. They better recognize and respect that man.
Stringer lunching with Clay Davis? Sheeeeeeeiiiiiiiit.
Levy beasting at that parole hearing for Avon. Pearlman thought she had that shite in the bag, but maybe she's too focused on that BBC though..
Cutty gets drunk, high, AND a threesome? That's one hell of a welcome home. Dude almost looks like he doesn't know what to do with himself.
Ole Bubbz got him a part time job now.
I love Bubbles, man. I forgot how young Marlo is. 22? Good Lord. And that one cop says he's "pure evil." I don't remember any of that from my first watch.
All in all, not a lot happens this episode, but it sort of checks in on a lot of different things and gets shite set up more for the season. I can't wait for the Homecoming episode this week, when Avon finally gets back into the game.
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Posted on 3/22/16 at 12:27 pm to STLhog
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You really think so?
I mean he's completely in his little finger element but he's got some fairly decent qualities IMO. I think he cares and he's just really trying to navigate the bullshite. Certainly is less self serving than Royce, but that isn't saying much.
"all in the game" as they say..
Yeah, definitely he's a slimeball. He pretends to have good intentions but they are all a facade so that he can run for mayor. He's a pussy hound cheating on his wife left and right, and he's ready and willing to do underhanded shite and go behind peoples' backs to get what he wants.
And don't get me wrong, he knows the game and plays it well. But it's all about what he can do and whom he can use in order to get what he wants.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 12:31 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Both Bodie and McNulty talk about making the same mistakes by doing the same things over. I notice kind of a recurring theme in the first 3 episodes of the cops and drug dealers having similar issues.
Yeah that's one thing the show does really well...show the similarities between the cop game and the drug game. The characters are all good and bad, and straddle that line. And they all have similar shite going on in their lives (albeit in different ways sometimes though).
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It's amazing how popular Slim Charles is Great character, i had no idea how many other people like him as much as i did. And Cutty's storyline is one of my faves as well. Shows how out of touch new ounks like fruit are if he thinks a dude that spent 14 years in the joint is going to flinch at a gun in his face.
To be fair, I don't think Fruit knew who he was though, or that he's been in prison. IIRC, there's another scene later where Cutty has a gun in his face, and it's a great scene.
And Slim Charles is just so cool and laid back, but still a G. And I love the way he talks too. Dude is just awesome.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 12:36 pm to Ace Midnight
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I don't think he does. I think he's choosing what he thinks will be the lesser of 2 evils - a grandiose experiment. A lot of powerful people get into a position and think, "Well, I do have control of these 4 or 5 conditions, and I have these resources - there's no reason that I shouldn't be able to do X." - Then X turns into a nightmare.
Right, I get HIS thought process behind setting it up. You get a lot of the crime problems concentrated to certain abandoned areas, which means that citizens are happy that it's not on their front porches anymore. But I just don't see how he could possibly think that his superiors would sign off on it....and I imagine he doesn't, which is why he hasn't said shite about it to them.
But if he can get the numbers to tweak a little bit, then maybe they will go for it. Who knows. But it's one of those ideas that seems okay in thought, but bad in practice IMO.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 12:41 pm to CocomoLSU
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But if he can get the numbers to tweak a little bit, then maybe they will go for it.
That was sort of the gamble he was making. He knew it would never be officially accepted. He felt foolish doing the same thing, over and over, expecting different results. I don't fault the character for trying something different.
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But it's one of those ideas that seems okay in thought, but bad in practice IMO.
Whole nations have tried it - to varying degrees of success I might add.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 12:50 pm to Ace Midnight
We'll see if it works over the next few episodes. And one thing is for sure, Bunny's heart is in the right place.
I always love how incredulous he is at how stupid kids are.
I always love how incredulous he is at how stupid kids are.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 2:16 pm to CocomoLSU
[quote]Bunny's heart is in the right place. [/quote
Have to catch up on S3 the next few days but yeah Bunny is good people.
He had good intentions
Have to catch up on S3 the next few days but yeah Bunny is good people.
He had good intentions
Posted on 3/23/16 at 11:12 am to CocomoLSU
Hamsterdam:
Amazon shows the episode as Amsterdam, everywhere else, Hamsterdam, weird.
Jimmy is not only self-destructive, he's narcissistic. While he's right about the political BS, he takes it to an extreme by saying screw anyone who is a "boss". Lester is right, Daniels went to bat for Jimmy and now Jimmy is going to screw Daniels? He's a great cop, but that won't do him or anybody any good with his Ahab-like obsession with his target, Avon, now Stringer.
It was awesome though how after he storms out of the room, Lester comes back after Jimmy and Kima leave and tells Prez to look up the properties and he shares the info with Jimmy and everyone later.
yeah, that's one of the great things about a rewatch. Didn't notice some of these things the first time, (like Butchie with the Tilghman) because we didn't know Marlo well yet. Speaking of Butchie, he called Avon's dad and Avon pure evil. Also note the cop says Marlo shot the witness twice in the chest and once in the mouth.
slim Charles is a smooth cat, love how Cutty knew Bodie when Bodie was a little kid and knew Bodie's brother.
Dude looked so out of place, like the old dude at a frat bar after a football game at least he got laid though
Question, where they smoking just weed or was it laced maybe?
Amazon shows the episode as Amsterdam, everywhere else, Hamsterdam, weird.
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Lester and McNulty bout to throw down
Jimmy is not only self-destructive, he's narcissistic. While he's right about the political BS, he takes it to an extreme by saying screw anyone who is a "boss". Lester is right, Daniels went to bat for Jimmy and now Jimmy is going to screw Daniels? He's a great cop, but that won't do him or anybody any good with his Ahab-like obsession with his target, Avon, now Stringer.
It was awesome though how after he storms out of the room, Lester comes back after Jimmy and Kima leave and tells Prez to look up the properties and he shares the info with Jimmy and everyone later.
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I forgot how young Marlo is. 22? Good Lord. And that one cop says he's "pure evil." I don't remember any of that from my first watch.
yeah, that's one of the great things about a rewatch. Didn't notice some of these things the first time, (like Butchie with the Tilghman) because we didn't know Marlo well yet. Speaking of Butchie, he called Avon's dad and Avon pure evil. Also note the cop says Marlo shot the witness twice in the chest and once in the mouth.
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Slim schooling those youngsters on who Cutty is
slim Charles is a smooth cat, love how Cutty knew Bodie when Bodie was a little kid and knew Bodie's brother.
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Cutty gets drunk, high, AND a threesome? That's one hell of a welcome home. Dude almost looks like he doesn't know what to do with himself
Dude looked so out of place, like the old dude at a frat bar after a football game at least he got laid though
Question, where they smoking just weed or was it laced maybe?
Posted on 3/25/16 at 1:30 pm to CocomoLSU
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Stringer lunching with Clay Davis? Sheeeeeeeiiiiiiiit.
The parts with Stringer trying to be a legit business man always looked awkward. He looks so out of place and over his head. Clay Davis plays a great part.
These episodes had many characters trying to change who they are. Some will succeed some won't.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:41 pm to Nodust
Been out of town all day for work, but the OP is updated. I watched both episodes over the weekend, and plan to post my comments tomorrow morning.
Season is getting good.
Season is getting good.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 4:16 pm to CocomoLSU
Straight and True:
The main theme of S3 is reform and i find the idea of showing both the cops and the drug dealers struggling with similar issues fascinating.
Here we have Cutty struggling to go straight but falling back into the game. Bunny Colvin is experimenting with "legalizing" and controlling drug trade and Stringer is trying to make it like a business.
When the attempt to push the dealers to the safe zone fails, Carver suggests beefing up patrols and busting them. On the gang side, Avon wants to take back his corners. Both sides not accepting or wanting change and keep doing the same old thing
More arse chewing at the Comstat meeting and more bureaucratic stupidity as the head of the car theft unit works days even though most car theft occurs at night. Funny that colvin gets the idea of taking his planned Hamsterdam to the mid-level dealers at this meeting after commenting on "fecal gravity" (i have to use that one).
At the new day co-op meeting, Stringer notices his guy is taking minutes per the Roberts Rules for Oder (which he gave them). "Are you taking notes on a criminal fricking conspiracy?"
After confronting Stringer, McNulty is ready to give up on investigating him thinking he is now legit and "the bank" in the open, until Greggs sees him with Marlo. Funny when Stringer tries to sell Jimmy a condo.
Also seems in his push to be a businessman, Stringer let disciple slip. Avon notices some guys getting high at his homecoming party and has Slim Charles toss them out. Stringer tries to get Avon interested in the RE business, but all Avon wants after 2 years in prison is some pussy. Stringer interrupts him twice, but shows Avon a new apartment he set up for him and brings the girl Avon wanted and a friend for him.
The main theme of S3 is reform and i find the idea of showing both the cops and the drug dealers struggling with similar issues fascinating.
Here we have Cutty struggling to go straight but falling back into the game. Bunny Colvin is experimenting with "legalizing" and controlling drug trade and Stringer is trying to make it like a business.
When the attempt to push the dealers to the safe zone fails, Carver suggests beefing up patrols and busting them. On the gang side, Avon wants to take back his corners. Both sides not accepting or wanting change and keep doing the same old thing
More arse chewing at the Comstat meeting and more bureaucratic stupidity as the head of the car theft unit works days even though most car theft occurs at night. Funny that colvin gets the idea of taking his planned Hamsterdam to the mid-level dealers at this meeting after commenting on "fecal gravity" (i have to use that one).
At the new day co-op meeting, Stringer notices his guy is taking minutes per the Roberts Rules for Oder (which he gave them). "Are you taking notes on a criminal fricking conspiracy?"
After confronting Stringer, McNulty is ready to give up on investigating him thinking he is now legit and "the bank" in the open, until Greggs sees him with Marlo. Funny when Stringer tries to sell Jimmy a condo.
Also seems in his push to be a businessman, Stringer let disciple slip. Avon notices some guys getting high at his homecoming party and has Slim Charles toss them out. Stringer tries to get Avon interested in the RE business, but all Avon wants after 2 years in prison is some pussy. Stringer interrupts him twice, but shows Avon a new apartment he set up for him and brings the girl Avon wanted and a friend for him.
This post was edited on 3/30/16 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 3/28/16 at 4:31 pm to CocomoLSU
Homecoming:
Avon's out and ready to get back to the game the only way he knows how. Delays with construction on their condo deal shows the legit world isn't so straight. He's furious that they con't have the good corners, even though they are apparently still making money and really pissed when he finds out they were chased off the block by Marlo. They don't, however, have muscle like they used to and a planned attacked fails miserably when they younger guys don't listen to Cutty and Slim Charles.
Slim and Cutty make a 2nd attack on Fruit and Cutty has a clear shot at Fruit, who screwed him over put a gun in his face, but he can't bring himself to do it. He later tells Avon "the game ain't in me no mo" and Avon lets him go, saying they are straight.
Jimmy and Kima keep investigating B&B despite orders not to. Kima does find out Marlo is on his own and now there are bodies after the 2 attacks, but Daniels is pissed over the insubordination. Jimmy at Kima's sugestion goes to Colvin, who brings it to Rawls and Burrell who call in Daniels as the savior.
Marlo mets with his guy Vinson who tells him Avon will have to retailiate after the bungled hit. Marlo is not worried since the failed attack shows how weak the B&B crew is. Marlo also shows is motivation is about being know as the top guy wanting to wear the crown, even if it leads to prison or an early death. "The point is they wore it(the crown)".
Bunk mets with Omar over the shoot out that killed Tosha. Bunk and Omar have about 3-4 scenes like this through the series that are just awesome. Bunk showing how someone from the same upbringing can do something with their lives instead of just crime. He seems to be the only 1 that sees through Omar and gets to Omar's conscience.
Donette tells Brianna about Jimmy saying D was not a suicide and basically asking for her blessing to screw Stringer.
Avon's out and ready to get back to the game the only way he knows how. Delays with construction on their condo deal shows the legit world isn't so straight. He's furious that they con't have the good corners, even though they are apparently still making money and really pissed when he finds out they were chased off the block by Marlo. They don't, however, have muscle like they used to and a planned attacked fails miserably when they younger guys don't listen to Cutty and Slim Charles.
Slim and Cutty make a 2nd attack on Fruit and Cutty has a clear shot at Fruit, who screwed him over put a gun in his face, but he can't bring himself to do it. He later tells Avon "the game ain't in me no mo" and Avon lets him go, saying they are straight.
Jimmy and Kima keep investigating B&B despite orders not to. Kima does find out Marlo is on his own and now there are bodies after the 2 attacks, but Daniels is pissed over the insubordination. Jimmy at Kima's sugestion goes to Colvin, who brings it to Rawls and Burrell who call in Daniels as the savior.
Marlo mets with his guy Vinson who tells him Avon will have to retailiate after the bungled hit. Marlo is not worried since the failed attack shows how weak the B&B crew is. Marlo also shows is motivation is about being know as the top guy wanting to wear the crown, even if it leads to prison or an early death. "The point is they wore it(the crown)".
Bunk mets with Omar over the shoot out that killed Tosha. Bunk and Omar have about 3-4 scenes like this through the series that are just awesome. Bunk showing how someone from the same upbringing can do something with their lives instead of just crime. He seems to be the only 1 that sees through Omar and gets to Omar's conscience.
Donette tells Brianna about Jimmy saying D was not a suicide and basically asking for her blessing to screw Stringer.
This post was edited on 3/28/16 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 3/28/16 at 6:52 pm to H-Town Tiger
the past 2 episodes are basically the accelerator for the climax of the 3-season arc
avon is back and butting heads with stringer
mcnulty ends up where the show began in his endless cycle of self mutilation
bubbs is getting his shite together and taking steps towards respectability
avon is back and butting heads with stringer
mcnulty ends up where the show began in his endless cycle of self mutilation
bubbs is getting his shite together and taking steps towards respectability
Posted on 3/29/16 at 8:55 am to H-Town Tiger
I can't believe how willingly Kima went along with McNulty, especially how much Daniels done for her.
what would cause someone to give you the nickname fruit
Gerard and Sapper are pretty slow-witted but they are smarter than Chipper who almost got everyone killed. no wonder the Barksdale group has fallen off
what would cause someone to give you the nickname fruit
Gerard and Sapper are pretty slow-witted but they are smarter than Chipper who almost got everyone killed. no wonder the Barksdale group has fallen off
Posted on 3/29/16 at 9:10 am to jamsmiley
I forgot I am out all day today for work as well. So I hope to revisit this in the morning.
Posted on 3/29/16 at 9:35 am to jamsmiley
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o wonder the Barksdale group has fallen off
Avon's refusal to acknowledge this is probably the biggest problem. And also not realizing the strength/different breed that Marlo is.
I think Bodie is probably the only one that gets it. Maybe a few others like Slim and Prop Joe. Things have passed Barksdale by, that much is clear.
You can see why Barksdale and Stringer are two peas in a pod, both ignorant to whats standing right in front of them, but savy to what the other can't see.
Posted on 3/29/16 at 9:38 am to STLhog
This season has some of my favorite moments
I know I said I wanted to meet somewhere safe but, Got Damn. The only bugs in this mother f***** got legs. – Stringer
Shamrock is the goat
When your favorite senator shows up at your favorite drug dealers party; no one bats and eye
Carver goes back from being reliable to being incompetent again.
The introduction of the real O.G The deacon
You can definitely tell in the back of the navigator that it dawned on Stringer that he and Avon have different goals
I know I said I wanted to meet somewhere safe but, Got Damn. The only bugs in this mother f***** got legs. – Stringer
Shamrock is the goat
When your favorite senator shows up at your favorite drug dealers party; no one bats and eye
Carver goes back from being reliable to being incompetent again.
The introduction of the real O.G The deacon
You can definitely tell in the back of the navigator that it dawned on Stringer that he and Avon have different goals
Posted on 3/29/16 at 9:43 am to jamsmiley
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no wonder the Barksdale group has fallen off
they haven't fallen off, though
Posted on 3/29/16 at 9:45 am to jamsmiley
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The introduction of the real O.G The deacon
played by the "real" avon, iirc
Posted on 3/29/16 at 9:45 am to SlowFlowPro
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they haven't fallen off, though
I'd say the respect level has for sure.
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