re: Official Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part II Reaction Thread

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Not sure who said it was the "wanting HP to win" scenario. That certainly was never the case.

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that was a sidebar speculation on teh part of OMLandshark - offered us as another possible explanation for her behavior

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And I guess it was a risk, yes. She probably assumed that if he was feigning death on the ground there, he wasn't going to reveal himself until he needed to. Again, a guess.

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thank you

it was a risk

I obviously like the movie overall - just had some problems with certain devices they used to move the characters from place to place

and i don't have a problem with the way they changed V's death to be more interesting for the big screen - it played better on the big screen than the book version

neither do I have a problem with the ending for the movie with the flash forward to kids going to Hogwarts - at least it wasn't as extended as happy hobbits LOLing on NO2 for 10 minutes

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but as just pointed out (a couple posts above) she wasn't wagering on anyone - she was neutral to teh outcome of who won at this point and just wanted to stay alive as long as possible... making any lie/risk she took an irrational risk

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At that point she certainly wasn't neutral who she wanted to win. If Voldemort won, then they would all be killed.

And saying he's alive offered no good outcomes really. Lying and saying he was dead while risky, certainly provided the best outcome. You refuse to acknowledge that they felt they were marked for slaughter. Whats a few hours compared to 5 years tops? She and the rest of her family felt they didn't have much longer to live anyway.

Just saw it. As someone who has never read any of the books, I'll have to judge it strictly on the merits of what I just saw as it stands as a movie

I really liked the first 90% of the movie, I thought it was really well done, I could sense myself really getting into the movie, more than the previous ones

Then, the last 15 minutes.....it wasnt bad perse, but it really seemed like they mailed it in, it just fell apart. And as far as the epilogue goes, I thought it was fine, except they really should have gone ahead and cast older actors, it would not have in any way taken away from the moment.

Your original comment was this:

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Maybe the easiest demonstration of this is the mother (it was Draco's mother who falsely claimed HP was dead wasn't it?) in the last movie. What exactly is her motivation there? Certainly Volde will discover that HP lives in short order... but she and the rest of her family are apparently not changing sides to turn on him... so exactly how does this make sense? Betray Volde by lying about HP being dead - but make no attempt to take him down when the fighting starts? At that point it seems to me you are pretty high on V's list of people who will be killed

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And I completely disagree. Her motive is absolutely obvious and incredibly simple: she loves her son. She loves Draco so much that she turns her back on what she has worked a whole lifetime for.

You keep throwing lots of layers into it to make it this really complex decision and this massive departure for her chaacter, but I think you're wrong. A mother loves her son. It really is that simple.

She's not changing sides. She's choosing her son. Period. Nothing else. She's not joining up in the fight against Voldmort, she's just a mother trying to find her son.

I think you're trying to not understand. Her motivations are obvious and fit her character, and even several major themes of the movies/books: the importance of family and of love. Even Death Eaters love their kids.

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the premise of my objection is that her deception is so obvious and easily detected as to be a problem - because it ends up being more likely to get her and her family killed in rapid order

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But the point is they were pretty much due to die at any day with Voldemort in charge, or Azkaban if Harry won and she didn't assist him. Narcissa took a Hans Landa type deal. She knew that she was on the loosing end of the war also knowing that she would face either life imprisonment or certain death. She saw an opportunity to correct everything and save her and her family, so she took it. If she didn't do this, regardless she would pay for it later. She took the only chance for her and her family to get out of Voldemort's regime and help rebuild the world for the better. Landa did this in Inglourious Basterds (although for far, far more selfish reasons), and it could have very easily backfired, but he knew that he would be fricked in a year or two, and he grabbed the small opportunity to save himself.

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and she didn't assist him.

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there really doesn't seem to be much evidence she was seeking clemency by helping HP

the quote from earlier indicated she had become neutral (which was a big change) - I don't think there's anything to say she actually came to the good side

One thing that bothered me in the movies is they didn't show how powerful Snape was in the movies, making him seem more like a little bitch. In the books, I took it Snape was by far the strongest wizard behind Voldemort/Dumbledore. Taking out the end of HBP, and giving him nothing of note in DH, really didn't give him his due IMO.

Also, didn't see why they changed the scene with Snape's death. I remember in the books he was pleading for Voldemort to let him do something which would lead to Harry getting his memories, where as in the movie he just said " My lord" once or twice.

i think that Voldemort would have killed her out of anger if she told him Harry was alive

Can someone clarify a little more about Harry at Kings Station. I read the books but have long forgotten the details of this scene.

Was Dumbledore giving Harry the option of either dying or returning to the real world with the part of Voldemort inside of him dead? Thus removing Harry as a Horcrux?

watched it last night:

1. was dissapointed in the Mrs. Weasley killing of Lestrange. It seemed forced into the flow of the movie.

2. I do not think the greatest dark wizard of all time is willing to give the microphone to Neville Longbottom for a 4 minute rally call in front of everyone. (after 10 seconds it would/should have been green light/dead)

3. LOVED the slow motion hero snake kill by Longbottom

4. What the hell does harry do for a wand now that he destroyed the Elder before mending his?

5. Fleur is