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re: Official Falcon and Winter Soldier Episode 2 Discussion Thread
Posted on 3/28/21 at 9:40 pm to TheeRealCarolina
Posted on 3/28/21 at 9:40 pm to TheeRealCarolina
My guess is the Flag Smashers are a way to introduce the Power Broker, so US Agent can go to him, and temporarily turn bad only to come back after he goes too far and gets Battlestar killed, then relinquishes the shield.
Masked Zemo has to be the big bad, or, of course, it’s Mephisto.
Masked Zemo has to be the big bad, or, of course, it’s Mephisto.
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Posted on 3/28/21 at 9:45 pm to Socrates Johnson
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Masked Zemo has to be the big bad, or, of course, it’s Mephisto.
Unless Zemo has been Mephisto in disguise this whole time!!
Posted on 3/28/21 at 9:50 pm to Socrates Johnson
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My guess is the Flag Smashers are a way to introduce the Power Broker, so US Agent can go to him, and temporarily turn bad only to come back after he goes too far and gets Battlestar killed, then relinquishes the shield.
There's only like 4 episodes left.
Posted on 3/28/21 at 10:09 pm to Broski
Walker's wife has an attractive AOC thing going on.
Posted on 3/28/21 at 10:18 pm to OvertheDwayneBowe
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I found it noticeable that Bucky caught the shield with his normal arm. He did the same move with his other arm in Civil War.
I thought it was well established that while Bucky didn’t get the serum, the experiments done on him by Hyrda pretty much give him similar abilities. If he was allowed to kill and it wasn’t 2 or 3 on 1, Bucky would have been fine. It’s Sam and John Walker who are out of their league against those guys, which, like another poster said, is why I think Walker is absolutely going to get juiced
Posted on 3/28/21 at 10:21 pm to Rossberg02
quote:the how do you explain the clips or him throwing the shield? The emphasized Bucky catching it 9n the trailer similar to him doing it in WS showing he is like Cap.
Yea the new Cap hasn’t had the super soldier dose yet.
It was noticeable during the fight scene.
Posted on 3/28/21 at 10:29 pm to WicKed WayZ
quote:any one who has watched any of the movies should know WS is like Cap in abilities. In WS he took on most of the avengers and BP. He in this scene it shows him running faster than the 18wheelers driving down the road.
thought it was well established that while Bucky didn’t get the serum, the experiments done on him by Hyrda pretty much give him similar abilities.
Which also kinda diminishes the impact of the movies. Now there are a band of WS's and they want Bucky and Falcon to take them all out.
This post was edited on 3/28/21 at 10:31 pm
Posted on 3/28/21 at 10:32 pm to CarRamrod
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the how do you explain the clips or him throwing the shield? The emphasized Bucky catching it 9n the trailer similar to him doing it in WS showing he is like Cap.
He’s a well trained, very strong, top of the line soldier. Its why he was chosen as the government’s replacement.
Keeping him an unaltered soldier probably avoids any muddy waters with the Sokovia Accords.
Posted on 3/28/21 at 10:37 pm to hth52
quote:and that's where they lose me. Everything normal humans do is believable....well minus Falcon. So I guess it could pass. But like I said it completely diminishes the movies making a normal guy be able to do things Cap did.
He’s a well trained, very strong, top of the line soldier. Its why he was chosen as the government’s replacement.
Posted on 3/28/21 at 11:14 pm to CarRamrod
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what stood out to me was this with Disney giving you a nugget of this isn't about black or white, then they make white cops racist.
That entire sequence felt odd. The "racism" from the cops made no sense at all, and then arresting Bucky made it make even less sense.
The rest of the episode was fine, but this show isn't even close to as good as WandaVision at the moment. Hard for me to get invested yet.
Posted on 3/29/21 at 12:56 am to CarRamrod
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He’s a well trained, very strong, top of the line soldier. Its why he was chosen as the government’s replacement.
and that's where they lose me. Everything normal humans do is believable....well minus Falcon. So I guess it could pass. But like I said it completely diminishes the movies making a normal guy be able to do things Cap did.
When has a normal guy done what Steve did or Bucky for that matter. You think a normal dude can run as fast as bucky did to catch those trucks or jump out a plane 200 ft in the air no parachute? The only thing a normal guy can do is throw the shield.
Posted on 3/29/21 at 7:53 am to stateofplay
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The only thing a normal guy can do is throw the shield.
To me he shouldn't be able to chuck a vibranium shield effortlessly like that. Or be able to engage in hand to hand combat with super soldiers. But we have seen this across the movies though - when normal humans fight alongside the other Avengers they tend to either A) ramp up the normal humans' abilities or B) nerf the powers of the others.
Posted on 3/29/21 at 8:09 am to CarRamrod
quote:I know. When I was watching it I thought to myself, "now that's good social commentary, not in your face and a good, clear message, with a nice joke."
what stood out to me was this with Disney giving you a nugget of this isn't about black or white, then they make white cops racist.
Then they went for the low hanging fruit.
Posted on 3/29/21 at 8:19 am to etm512
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To me he shouldn't be able to chuck a vibranium shield effortlessly like that. Or be able to engage in hand to hand combat with super soldiers. But we have seen this across the movies though - when normal humans fight alongside the other Avengers they tend to either A) ramp up the normal humans' abilities or B) nerf the powers of the others.
Its a vibranium shield. From all evidence its lighter than aluminum and stronger than titanium. It doesnt obey the laws of physics so anyone can use it.
But yes i agree, a non super shouldnt be able to fight super soldiers hand to hand but most comics do this. Look at Batman, getting punched by people that fight Superman and surviving or Captain America Steve Rogers taking punches from Thanos and Loki.
Yes Steve is a Super Soldier but Super Soldiers shouldnt be able to get hit by folks who when they hit the Hulk cause pain. Blonksy, after he got a super serum got kicked by the Hulk and was in the hospital for days in 'The Incredible Hulk ' movie.
Posted on 3/29/21 at 8:44 am to CarRamrod
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and that's where they lose me. Everything normal humans do is believable....well minus Falcon. So I guess it could pass. But like I said it completely diminishes the movies making a normal guy be able to do things Cap did.
He’s yet to do anything Cap has done other than throw a shield and shoot a gun. He doesn’t have the strength, stamina, or ability to heal that someone with the serum has. He hasn’t held a helicopter from lifting off, or run 20 mph on the highway, or really even beat another super soldier in a fight yet.
He fought untrained or lightly trained young adults with super strength and didn’t really overpower any of them.
Posted on 3/29/21 at 8:50 am to hth52
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or run 20 mph on the highway
Usain Bolt runs at about 24 mph at full sprint.
The speed Steve Rogers, Bucky Barnes and T'Challa were running at during Civil War was closer to 65 mph.
Posted on 3/29/21 at 9:33 am to hth52
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He fought untrained or lightly trained young adults with super strength and didn’t really overpower any of the
Good point
Posted on 3/29/21 at 9:47 am to imjustafatkid
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That entire sequence felt odd. The "racism" from the cops made no sense at all, and then arresting Bucky made it make even less sense.
what's odd is that for the second time, some white guy doesn't recognize a fricking Avenger. There is no possible way the world went through what it did, and a normal guy doesn't know what Falcon looks like. He doesn't hide his face or identity or anything. Everyone knows who he is.
I'm also curious as to how Sam is making money, or who's giving him the authorization to do the things he's doing. Is he with the gov't or not? You would think being an Avenger comes with having an Amex black card or something from Stark.
Posted on 3/29/21 at 9:57 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:He wears goggles as Falcon. In comics, that's enough
He doesn't hide his face or identity or anything.
Posted on 3/29/21 at 10:05 am to Jor Jor The Dinosaur
I know he wears goggles as Falcon.
My point is he doesn't hide who he is under the goggles. Everyone knows what his name is. It's not like he wears the goggles 24/7 or hides in public. He's a normal guy when he's not Falcon.
My point is he doesn't hide who he is under the goggles. Everyone knows what his name is. It's not like he wears the goggles 24/7 or hides in public. He's a normal guy when he's not Falcon.
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